Whats the basis for Sharif's disqualification?

so are you saying that they should not apply to anyone? is it like telling a cop who pulls you over for speeding that there are other cars speeding by as well?

so since he got away, that sets a precedence and everyone else should also be able to get away, is that what you are saying?

although I dont understand why the storming of the supreme court by nawaz does not upset people

So basically, verdict should not be condemned instead what should be lobbied is that others should be brought to justice too :k:

Re: Whats the basis for Sharif's disqualification?

^ Why shouldnt it be, its a politically motivated one, and we will continue to see choas because of that.

p.s. Welcome to the Zardari club btw :)

Nah I hate Zardari too ... I hate Zardari, NS, chaudhirs, Altaf Bhai, Immi Bhai, Qazi Sahab, All "Walis" of NWFP and Fazlu bhai ...... :)

Re: Whats the basis for Sharif's disqualification?

Can you also say you hate the person who gifted us Zardari, while he was thought to be 'quietly dying with illness in New York apartment with his dogs'

benazir or musharraf or both? both were selfish and stupid and only power hungry in taking that step.

or the people forcing BB on Pakistan, and our awaam being idiots to not even see who was forcing her on the nation, secret and not so secret facilitated meetings and all.

I dont want to hate everyone

just keep looking ....in couple of years people will beg for him to come again :)

The harder the Army is trying to keep themselves away, the harder our politicians are trying to get them involved this efforts they are supported by "kaley coats"

Here is the simple solution

Fire all current judges who have EVER Took oath on PCO (yes Dogar and Ifti included)

Leave the current Govt and Punjab Govt (PML N) alone ..let them rule for 5 years. Let people decide about whats next after 5 years.

NS was in a hurry to eat it TOO hot ..and he will become "hum tu dobey hain sanam tum ko bhee lai doobeen gaay". Baqi reh gaeey Qazi and Immi ...they are like NAwabzada Nasurallah. Ager in kee apnee hakoomat aa gaee na tu uss k khilaf bhee tehreek chaleen gaay yee loog

Basis??

There was only one criterion:

It's called jiss kee laathi uss kee bhains

  1. He was an angel came from heaven !

Only if our justice system was equally good then your argument will hold, but we have seen how selective our justice system is. I am all for full justice, justice should not be served to selective people if your negotiations fail.

I wish I could say yes and show :k: but I know that the justice will stop right here and will not be extended to govt PPP ministers/President.

Re: Whats the basis for Sharif's disqualification?

btw, its interesting to see whatever happened to "asssoool pasndi" of NS that he was beating the drum of by not contacting PML(Q) and MQM. Aaab apni hakoomat kee baat ayee tu Haram bhee halal ho gaya ..every day we have a "closed door meetings" going on b/w them

PS: I know PPP is also doing that but then they were never beating drums !

:hehe: I know, as they say ye un mai se hayn jo waqt parnay pe gadhay ko bhi baap bana lete hayn

Yes, the keyword is justice & that goes for LCJ (lota cj) too.

PML[Q] is basically his party, just an off shoot, and he had already invited everyone after his election victory to come join in. As for as your MQM is concerned, PML[N] stands to gain nothing from their collaboration right now, but I am sure when they win the next elections Altaf bhai will switch loyalties yet again.

This a war between mullahs and pakistanis.

The second part of Babar Sattar article from today’s The News

Wages of injustice

Part II

Saturday, February 28, 2009
Legal eye

Babar Sattar

The writer is a lawyer based in Islamabad. He is a Rhodes scholar and has an LL.M from Harvard Law School

President Zardari has slapped governor’s rule on Punjab in exercise of the extraordinary powers vested in him under Article 234 of the Constitution, as he is convinced that (a) a “situation has arisen in which the government in the province of Punjab cannot be carried on in accordance with the provisions of the Constitution,” and (b) “an unprecedented and unique constitutional void has been created” with the disqualification of Shahbaz Sharif. One wonders if the Constitution of Pakistan is really so deficient that it simply doesn’t envisage the eventuality of a chief minister dying, resigning, going berserk, or otherwise being disqualified when in office?

If Mr Zardari has had no role in engineering the disqualification of Shahbaz Sharif to annex Punjab, why did the Punjab governor simply not call an immediate session of the Punjab Assembly to determine which member “commands the confidence of the majority of the members” in accordance with Article 131(2A) of the Constitution?

Casual exercise of the emergency powers of the Constitution threatens to transform the federal character of our state into a unitary one, with the president running a province from the Centre. A proclamation issued by the president under Article 234 of the Constitution is meant to be for emergency purposes and automatically expires after two months, unless extended by Parliament through a resolution passed in a joint sitting. The two-month timeframe specified in the Zardari proclamation impeaches the intention behind the imposition of governor’s rule. It clarifies that Mr Zardari has no intention of taking his proclamation to the Parliament and seeking its consent, as would be expected in a democracy. The president seems to have carved out an exclusive period for intense horse-trading in the Punjab Assembly and has vested in Salmaan Taseer all state authority and means of patronage and coercion to conjure up a PPP-led government in the province.

The press release proclaiming governor’s rule included a statement from the president’s spokesman saying that the president had imposed governor’s rule “on the advice of the prime minister under Article 237 of the Constitution.” It is interesting that (a) the prime minister has no constitutional mandate to advise the president to issue a proclamation under Article 234 of the Constitution, and (b) Article 237 deals with Parliament’s power to grant indemnity under certain circumstances and has nothing whatsoever to do with the prime minister. The wording of the press release is less significant legally, but nevertheless provides an insight into the Zardari modus ope*****. It is scary that the head of our state and his advisers will not even desist from misquoting articles of the Constitution merely to counter rumours of a rift between the president and his handpicked prime minister and convey the message that Mr Gilani is party to the seemingly malfeasant exercise of constitutional powers by Mr Zardari.

The decision to conquer Punjab through abuse of the powers of the president and the federal government has been a continuing demand of the Punjab PPP. The argument has been that it will be extremely hard to win Punjab in the next elections if the PPP fails to form government this time round as the party will be subject to an anti-incumbency sentiment due to its government at the Centre. And yet it will not have had the opportunity to purchase local support through the distribution of state patronage or coerce political groups by abusing the law-enforcement infrastructure of the province. The argument flies in the face of the PML-Q’s experience in Punjab in the 2008 elections. But the PPP jiyalas are confident that so long as they have control of the judiciary, the Election Commission, the provincial bureaucracy and civilian intelligence agencies, they will be able to ensure that electoral contests in Punjab don’t end up being as even-handed as they were in February 2008.

But the timing of the decision to bring down the PML-N government in Punjab was determined by the lawyers’ long march. With the PML-N fully on board, the marchers would have received free right of passage all the way from Bahawalpur to Faizabad in Rawalpindi. With the otherwise vicious Punjab police secretly supporting the march and the military watching as a silent spectator from the sidelines, brutalising the marching lawyers, political workers and members of the civil society in Islamabad could have posed a problem for the PPP government. Not any more, though. March 2009 could now resemble March 2007 with images of police savagery flashing across the country. It is indeed incredible that the Zardari-led PPP has happily assumed the burden of Musharraf’s imprudent, illegal, unethical and unpopular decisions and has decided to enforce them with renewed vigour. The Zardari regime’s intoxication of power is accompanied by an insolent sense that it will succeed where Musharraf failed. Because it will execute his game plan better and squash public resistance to illegal, unethical and unpopular decisions more effectively.

The events of the last few days have provided a peep show into the nature of “democracy” and “rule of law” Pakistan will suffer if the Zardari-led PPP has its way. Thus, in a morbid sense, the Supreme Court decision disqualifying the Sharif brothers is welcome. It has uncannily reinforced the reasons why the rule of law movement led by the lawyers must succeed.** The Zardari-led government is forcing this country to resign itself to the fact that an autocrat can abrogate the Constitution, dismiss the judicial branch of the state and force his will into the fundamental law of the land, and there is not a thing an overwhelming population of this country opposed to such treachery can do. This country continues to be ruled under the assumption that the acts of Nov 3, 2007, were legal and changes introduced into the Constitution single-handedly by our last saviour are now an eternal part of our misfortunes. **

Further, pursuant to the Tikka Iqbal Khan case, it is now our law that an army chief can validly overthrow the Constitution and send our entire judiciary off into the sunset if he finds their decisions vexing. Can we live with such a depraved notion of rule of law that allows the ruling autocrat to trump mandatory provisions of law and force the rest of the country to reconcile with “ground realities”? Can we accept a legal system where the judicial interpretation of law and the manner in which it is applied will be informed by the identity of the litigant? Can an arrangement fall within any definition of constitutionalism wherein statutory instruments, judicial edits and executive actions are all designed to entrench the wants of the power elites and expressly deny popular consensus? Can we allow a political culture to prosper wherein whoever grabs control of the levers of state power can effectively hold the rest of the populace hostage to his or her whims?

Is the PPP leadership now kosher because its cases of graft and all other sins were washed away by the NRO (probably the most unconscionable law in Pakistan’s legal history) and the graduation precondition for seeking parliamentary membership was conveniently erased one fine morning by the Dogar Court, while the PML-N remains culpable as the Sharifs’ refused to strike dirty deals with the devil since their return to Pakistan in 2007? Are we not molesting the notion of law itself by allowing discriminatory pieces of legislation and unfair judicial edicts to define the concept of legality, thereby erasing all sensible distinctions between legitimate and illegitimate conduct? Is Pakistan a democratic polity today because its ruling regime is the tragic outcome of an electoral process, notwithstanding that such regime is neither responsive to public opinion nor amenable to the institutional checks and balances mandated by the Constitution?

Given that Mr Zardari grabbed control of the PPP and the country in a unique set of circumstances thrown up by history and has no mass backing amongst the people across Pakistan, does he not have a natural conflict of interest in allowing the processes, values and culture of democracy to prosper in the country? The adversarial process that Asif Zardari unleashed by imposing governor’s rule in Punjab on Wednesday is irreversible. And like all other adversarial processes, it can only produce victors and losers. The choice is between allowing our existing degenerate power structures to thrive or striving to introduce constitutionalism, rule of law and unmolested democracy to the country.

**This is a fight between status-quo forces that have brought Pakistan to its present sorry state and forces of change that wish to resurrect and save the soul, spirit and future of this nation. The rule-of-law movement led by lawyers, which has articulated this idea of change, is not fighting for the restitution of Iftikhar Chaudhry or the return of the Sharifs. But for the establishment of a system that neither treats Chief Justice Chaudhry and the Sharifs unfairly, nor allows them to trample upon anyone else’s rights when in public office. Our present system of governance is simply not sustainable and will need to be changed. But if the lawyers’ movement for reform fails, the only type of change that could follow would be the Taliban-style presently being endured by Swat. **

(Concluded)

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Well considering his endless services for Punjab's People, he was definitely an angle from the heavens for Punjabis.
12. He banned Self-finance scheme for admissions to Medical Colleges, Universities and institutes opening doors of education for each talented student who cannot afford to pay Rs. 2.5 Lakh Per Year for his/her education.
13. He declared that Govt. of Punjab will pay all the expenses of position holding bright students if they intend to go to some foreign university for their future education.
14. During his reign, the illegal Parking Fees received for car parking in Government Hospitals and Public Parks was removed. During Parvaiz Ilahi's Raj, his ''badmash'' agents were charging extra amount from the Public. Shahbaz also removed Entry Fee for Public Parks.
15. He formed a fund for free bus services for pick and drop of students specially females in Public Sector Schools/Colleges.
16. He provide P-4 latest Computers to more than 40,000 public schools in Punjab. Electric generators were provided for schools having no electricity.
17. In recognition of his services to Punjab, a famous PPP leader said ''Sindh and Balochistan also needs a Shahbaz''.
18. Shahbaz recent visit to China to encourage Chinese Provincial Governments to invest in various sectors in Punjab was met with Enthusiasm & a possible venture in future which will see a Chinese-Punjab ties. During his visit, he signed pects in which Chinese were keen to invest in IRRIGATION, POWER GENERATION FROM COAL, CONSTRUCTION OF SMALL CLAMSM, DAIRY DEVELOPMENT, INDUSTRY, AGRICULTURE & EDUCATION.
He proved himself to be Mustafa Kamal of Punjab.

So these and like these were the reasons He was removed from His Office, What were his intensions and motives that proved Him so dynamic and well-faristic perosonality as you have counted? , keeping that question answer aside , But his this governance was truely good for THE PEOPLE of Punjab and Pakistan and the main thing is that PEOPLE HAD VOTED him.

Couple of things. First, MQM is not my party and looking at their past, they will always end up being on the ruling party's side and Secondly, do you really want me to put some efforts into googling and get you the "bayanaaat" of Nawaz Farishta Sharif about Q League and Chaudhirs even after the elections? You can do that your self and I am sure you dont have to dig much.