I am not sure where this thread should go but I had to post and ask this, that what is going on in Pakistan regarding Law and order?
I recently come to feel how a person could feel if his/her Father gets robbed right after comming out of the airport ina texi going back to his home city and police cannot do anything to recover the $$$$ that his kids gave him as gift or so and how would one feel if goes to a marriage party , parks his car and when he and his family comes out of the hotel, guess what , his care has gone and police — has no clue and unable to get it back in 2 years or say untill now. what hapens to a family who’s male figure has one Govt job and get’s a bike on payments just to get to the job that is far far away from his home and one morning he does not finds his bike while is ready to go at work ? and which is still unpaid or almost paid. and police? I really want to know 
it really is sad and guess what it happened to one family–yes all this happened with one family think about it, what about whole society how many crimes are there in Pakistan if only one family is having this many problems and DEAR Pakistani Police is helpless or maybe is part of the game ?
Why do you think people wanna leave everything and get the heck outta Pakistan?
I know but why and where is the GOVT and their so called law agencies ?
They infrastructure is there…The question is where are the law abiding citizens and law enforcing loyal government representatives. Something is missing alright
yes very right, where are they though? Law enforcement :-) looks like there is a jungle law in there.
These sort of incidents are more prevalent in Karachi, even though security in that city is much tighter than cities like Rawalpindi, Faisalabad, Lahore...
A foreign journalist gets killed, the killers are found within weeks. A Pakistani gets killed, no matter what his status was (even if a president) his killer is never found.
What is the value of a Pakistani citisen in his/her own country? None :)
Its not that are intelligence agencies are inefficent, if they can find killers of foreigners, why not Pakistanis? For just one reason. Life of a Pakistani has no value in Pakistan!
I am quite sure u and other expat’s like u must have felt extremely confident about ur decision to settle abroad after reading this post. I know such reassurances are needed time and again to keep urself motivated.
I can quote u 10 examples where people have found justice through the existing system. Yes! I don’t deny the fact that there is corruption but its not blatant lawlessness. People are living happy and fulfilled lives.
Its only in Pakistan , that u can raise ur head and walk freely. Where people will not turn their faces when u tell them about ur origin. Its only in Pakistan where, if u fall sick ur relatives will be there to help u. If u run into financial difficulties they will help. Its only in Pakistan where ur children will grow up and take care of u rather then running away with some Tom , dick or harry.
Last but not least : its only in Pakistan that u can eat Phajjay ke paye at 2:00 am and enjoy green tea in a kewa house in qisakhwani .
^ That's because it's only in pakistan they make Pkp at 2 am. On the other hand if you want garam samosa or pav bhaji come to Mumbai; or a hurricane and jumbalaya go to the french quarters.
It's sad though that all those things happened to one family. Don't know about Muslim beliefs but for some/many Hindu communities there's a think called the movement of Saturn. When such misfortunes hit in succession it's likely that they'll need some sort of penance and offering to Saturn.
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Last but not least : its only in Pakistan that u can eat Phajjay ke paye at 2:00 am and enjoy green tea in a kewa house in qisakhwani .
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Like I said before, its some places, you might be able to enjoy tea at Qisakhwani at 2am, but remember the couple who got looted and humiliated on Peshawars circular ring road at night? Infact, Peshawar is the worst when it comes to the law and order situation.
^ Spock using Landi kotal and the ring road as examples of crime rate in Peshawar is very very misleading. First of all as you may know Landi kotal is not part of Peshawar it's part of the Tribal areas, similary the ring road as it's name implies is extends outside Peshawar into the rural areas which I accept have a bad reputation especially at night. However again it's well at the outskirts and even when it was first constructed few people would travel on it at night. By the way where did the figure of 1000 gun related crimes come from?
In any case Peshawar is a very heavily armed city but remains fairly safe, by Pakistani standards.
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^ Spock using Landi kotal and the ring road as examples of crime rate in Peshawar is very very misleading. First of all as you may know Landi kotal is not part of Peshawar it's part of the Tribal areas, similary the ring road as it's name implies is extends outside Peshawar into the rural areas which I accept have a bad reputation especially at night. However again it's well at the outskirts and even when it was first constructed few people would travel on it at night. By the way where did the figure of 1000 gun related crimes come from?
In any case Peshawar is a very heavily armed city but remains fairly safe, by Pakistani standards.
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Zakk, the guy was returning from a trip to Landi kotal. I agree, its fairly safe, as when the robbers strike, they usually do not kill or harm the victim. Its not like the race related or secular crimes like in other cities, especially Karachi. Do you know about the ring circular road in Peshawar? I heard that is really dangerous? They say it should be avoided at all costs at night. I have been there once at night, and boy, it even looked very scary.
Same goes with the Sialkot Wazirabad route, people pretending to be injured get cars to stop and loot passengers.
I think it is rather misleading to just point out pakistan. I mean just look at the whole world its all going crazy. I mean in delhi in broad daylight a foreigner is raped. I was reading some statistics paper couple of days ago mmm forgot which journal it was. The author was arguing that car theft and snatching has become a billion dollar industry in the US. Some are taken to Russia while others to lebanon etx. In pakistan to some extent it is understandable that typically crime graph rises when there is a population boom and the men in 20's do the most crime. This is what happened in the US in the 70's and 80's. Or perhaps it is becuase of the medium that we are getting a distorted view, whereas in teh past communication systems where not as efficient. oh well thats my 2 cents
Spock: Yeah, I have been on the ring road, I wouldn't recommend anyone to go on it at night time, although last I heard the police had started patrolling it at night?
p.s: I take it you watched Kill Bill?
Bhadsha: You are quite right, despite a drop in crime rates in Karachi as mentioned in another thread, the eprception of lawlessness is very strong. The government really needs to recruit a lot more Judges and Police and deploy them, otherwise this economic boom they are expecting will never happen.
Zakk : I have been commuting via the ring road to hayatabad nearly every second day. There are police chowkees every 1000 meters. The road is split up into the jurisdiction of different thanas.In short it is more safe then a new born baby.
Moreover , The cantonment area is patrolled all night by army units + university town and hayatabad have police mobiles on every nook and corner. Peshawar is quite safe.
I feel absolutely safe to walk the streets at 2:00 am here then what I used to feel while returning from London on a late Saturday evening. The guns that are manufactured in the tribal areas are as accessible here as they are in Rawalpindi or Karachi.
Next I am just baffled by the statement >>>1000, gun related crimes in 2003<<< I don’t know how can any 1 arrive at this conclusion without substantial proof?
From Dawn, few months back…
The provincial government has failed to restore the rule of law in the high-crime incidence pockets of the province.
During the third assembly session, MPAs from both opposition and treasury benches urged the government to take stringent steps for eradicating crimes like kidnapping-for-ransom, car-snatching, robbery, dacoity, burglary and drug-peddling. But this exclusive session convened to discuss the law and order situation ended without finding ways to curb the crime rate. Since these things are moving on in the same old way.
The law enforcement agencies, which are expected to maintain law and order, rattle about lack of manpower and paucity of funds. They also complain about political meddling into their professional duties. **For this, they are not ready to take full responsibility for the growing incidence of crime in the province. **
The provincial metropolis too has become the hub of all sort of crimes. In the last three months, police have registered 33 cases of missing children. But senior police officials deny such happenings. When a local newspaper carried the news about missing children, **the police not only contradicted it, but also claimed to have recovered 134 children. **
The incidents of dacoity and robbery make no news these days. Peripheral settlements like Faqirabad, Hasan Garhi, Badeber, Matni, Hazar Khani, Daudzai and Pishtkhara are some of the crime-wise worst-hit areas. Inside the city, break-in cases in congested dingy lanes are not reported.
The MMA leaders have now started making complains of lawlessness in their own districts. **They hold bureaucracy responsible for this situation.“The bureaucracy wants to fail the MMA government,” said a Jamaat-i-Islami worker from Malakand. **
The deteriorating law and order situation forced teachers of five educational institutions to observe a day-long strike on Tuesday to register their protest against the **growing incidents of car-snatching and dacoity on the greater campus. **
A few days ago, some unidentified criminals gunned down a clerk on the campus, which inculcated a senses of insecurity in the minds of the teacher community living in university towns.
The teachers associations of Agriculture University, Peshawar University, Engineering University, and of Islasmia College and Islamia Collegiate School at a joint meeting on Saturday condemned the vice-chancellors and police force manning the greater campus for ignoring their (teachers) demands.
The teaching staff threatened if the government failed to provide them security, they would shut down varsities for indefinite period. They have also urged the governor and chief minister to take notice of rising crimes on the campus and take some effective measures to control it.
“The MMA component parties are not short of manpower. They can use their strength detailed at seminaries. The MMA’s activists are enough to replace the corrupt elements in security agencies,” a disgruntled teacher told Dawn .
Infact, Peshawar is the worst when it comes to the law and order situation.
Spock the law and order situation across Pakistan is bad, primarily because of a breakdown in the working of the police force and a total disregard for the law nowadays. None of that information you have posted surprises me, but none of that makes Peshawar the most dangerous city in Pakistan when it comes to Law and order.
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*Infact, Peshawar is the worst when it comes to the law and order situation.
Spock the law and order situation across Pakistan is bad, primarily because of a breakdown in the working of the police force and a total disregard for the law nowadays. None of that information you have posted surprises me, but none of that makes Peshawar the most dangerous city in Pakistan when it comes to Law and order.
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The only city that maybe worse, is perhaps Karachi, but then again in Karachi, ethnic crimes are more prevalent in addition to robberies etc. Peshawar maybe better in the latter. You are right, the police is incometent. The only police that works well is perhaps the one in Karachi, because the superior over there have much more power, but they still cannot control the growing crime there.
Wat happened to that COP who, as per his duty during the compain, asked to remove the dark papers from the window glasses of a car which happened to belonged to a high military official ( Maj. General Sabahat HUSSAIN ) at Lahore last week.........He was abused and assaulted by military driver first , uniform was torn and later his bages removed , was pushed behind bars in the same police station where he was posted. As well rest of the police staff performing duty on the same post were placed under suspension along with their incharge SHO, and also DSP and SP of that area were ceased to work immediately and later transferred.
Is this incident not enough to understand whos' law is effective on this land of PAKISTAN and what is going on here in Pakistan.?.....I think any further discussion on this issue is useless.
I remember a similar incident taking place a few years back, and then it was not a military guy but some MNA or MPA there.
This is pretty lame, rules are rules and they apply to everyone, if justice was to be served, the maj gen and his driver..or atleast the driver should be sued for assault and maj gen fined and foeced to remove teh tint from his car.