What makes you beleive in God?

[Light_Bearer]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@Smurf

Allaah Almighty exists, it is common sense, how else is it that all of creation came into being? Even a coat can’t weave itself, yet some idiots would have you believe that the entire cosmos, the universe, the planets, the stars, the satellites, the heavens (each bigger than and encompassing the other), the multitudes of life form in them, outside them and in between them and the laws of nature came into being just like that and are being maintained and growing all by themselves! If somebody can be called a loony for claiming his coat weaved itself then how big a loony is the one who says God does not exist and everything just created itself and runs itself? Everything around us is witness to the existence of the One, Perfect, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Transcendent: Almighty Allaah.

We believe in the big bang theory, it’s mentioned in the Holy Qur’aan but somebody must have created that ‘primary mass’ and ‘clove it asunder’ and that is Allaah who is beyond the laws of nature, beyond being created, beyond beginnings and ends because He created all those things.

Glory be to Allaah and may He forgive me if I’ve said anything wrong.

Ya Allaah unite the ahl al-qibla on siraat al-mustaqeem, aameen.

Contradiction with a capital "C".

In the beginning you say everything requires a maker than in the same post you say that there is something which do not require a maker.

Make up your mind.

[muali]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@Light Bearer

Contradiction with a capital "C".

In the beginning you say everything requires a maker than in the same post you say that there is something which do not require a maker.

Make up your mind.

Good point LB

[picoico]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@Light Bearer

Contradiction with a capital "C".

In the beginning you say everything requires a maker than in the same post you say that there is something which do not require a maker.

Make up your mind.

Alternatively, God is not a thing...so the statement is still valid...it's pretty standard theological stuff...Transcendence....

[Antumul_alona]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@legally_desi

that warm fuzzy feeling u get when u do something good and the eternity of the universe

man …LEGALLY DESI…
dats boootifoolll…
:k:

[Antumul_alona]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@Light Bearer

Contradiction with a capital “C”.

In the beginning you say everything requires a maker than in the same post you say that there is something which do not require a maker.

Make up your mind.

although besides the topic as is the practice of Athiest wannabe’s , you can read here..
who created Allah..:

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[Light_Bearer]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@picoico

Alternatively, God is not a thing...so the statement is still valid...it's pretty standard theological stuff...Transcendence....

Then if I assume you are right and say God is no-thing will that be correct?
Its a pity I didn't want to get into word play but hey, you started it.

[picoico]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@Light Bearer

Then if I assume you are right and say God is no-thing will that be correct? Its a pity I didn't want to get into word play but hey, you started it.

Sure. What is a thing? Why is God a thing? You're right...it is wordplay...but then, your original objection was based on a contradiction that made certain assumptions about the words in use...no?

[Light_Bearer]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@picoico

Sure. What is a thing? Why is God a thing? You're right...it is wordplay...but then, your original objection was based on a contradiction that made certain assumptions about the words in use...no?

Good to see you agree God is nothing or Nothing is God whichever way you want to put it.

[Light_Bearer]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@picoico

Sure. What is a thing? Why is God a thing? You're right...it is wordplay...but then, your original objection was based on a contradiction that made certain assumptions about the words in use...no?

OK lets try once more;

@smurf

Even a coat can’t weave itself, yet some idiots would have you believe that the entire cosmos, the universe, the planets, the stars, the satellites, the heavens (each bigger than and encompassing the other), the multitudes of life form in them, outside them and in between them and the laws of nature came into being just like that and are being maintained and growing all by themselves! If somebody can be called a loony for claiming his coat weaved itself then how big a loony is the one who says God does not exist and everything just created itself and runs itself?

The above quote gives us a clear cut picture everything living or non living requires a creator. This we agree so we don't go in detail.

Now tell me logically speaking why the same rules do not cover God. Who made the God. "If somebody can be called a loony for claiming his coat weaved itself then how big a loony is the one who says a Maker made itself or was there forever".

[picoico]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@Light Bearer

Good to see you agree God is nothing or Nothing is God whichever way you want to put it.

God is not a mere thing. Nothing implies absence, while thing implies tangibility.

[picoico]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@Light Bearer

Now tell me logically speaking why the same rules do not cover God. Who made the God. "If somebody can be called a loony for claiming his coat weaved itself then how big a loony is the one who says a Maker made itself or was there forever".

a) Why must there be an infinite chain here?

b) Identifiying a sole creator kind of ends the chain

A creator that is there 'forever' doesn't really suffer from the problem of creation...unless one wants to ask absurdist questions like, who created this place that has existed 'forever'...

[Light_Bearer]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@picoico

a) Why must there be an infinite chain here? b) Identifiying a sole creator kind of ends the chain

A creator that is there 'forever' doesn't really suffer from the problem of creation...unless one wants to ask absurdist questions like, who created this place that has existed 'forever'...

Your points A and B are more like "lets ignore that we have a problem in the equation".
That absurd question is not mine. If I put a question I would rather put it this way; If God can create itself or was there forever why this should not be applied to the rest of the universe.

[Light_Bearer]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@picoico

God is not a mere thing. Nothing implies absence, while thing implies tangibility.

So how do you classify God? It has to be something.

[Hahahaha]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@Light Bearer

Contradiction with a capital "C".

In the beginning you say everything requires a maker than in the same post you say that there is something which do not require a maker.

Make up your mind.

I raised the same issue in post 30. the dude ran awaya I guess

[picoico]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@Light Bearer

Your points A and B are more like "lets ignore that we have a problem in the equation". That absurd question is not mine. If I put a question I would rather put it this way; If God can create itself or was there forever why this should not be applied to the rest of the universe.

Cop out. Questioning the validity of the equation in the first place is very much valid.

In any case, no one is suggesting you ignore...rather, merely suggesting that you may well have a problem with the premise.

The absurdist question is asking for the creation event of something eternal. That's no wordplay, but a conceptual non-starter.

[picoico]

Re: What makes you beleive in God?

@Light Bearer

So how do you classify God? It has to be something.

Trick that the ancient Jews even recognized. Classification implies boundaries. God exists, but is transcendent. Finite definitions may not apply.

Directly leads to the age-old question if God can entirely by knowable.