What is your argument against secularism?

[Enigmatic]

Re: What is your argument against secularism?

@BarbieCue

Collective wisdom of the entire universe could never equal the wisdom of Allah swt (to muslims). So why the need to overthrow Allah’s commands in muslim countries and bring in our own supposedly smarter versions of rules and laws? If He said alcohol isn’t permitted, why do we need to debate whether it should be legalised or not?

That is what I don’t get and that is where I gave up in this thread when IceSoul said to me “It is haram is not a valid reason”. If it being haram is not a good enough reason for my brothers in Islam I don’t know what else in the world would be. So I gave up and I hope to God I don’t live to see the day haram is legalised in places like Makkah. Do I sound extreme? More like naive because I always thought all muslims would oppose what’s haram. They might indulge in haram in their own personal space but at least they wouldn’t fight for it to be legalised by overthrowing Allah’s orders.

Slavery btw isn’t a good argument on your behalf. Slavery is allowed, we can choose whether we want to practice it or not. Marrying cousins is allowed, I’m not in favour it but does that make me gunahgar? Eating meat is allowed but are there no muslim vegetarians? So just because something is allowed doesn’t mean we must do it. But when something is haram, we must not do it, end of. Why the need for further debate within muslim societies, I don’t understand. Jis ko peena hai ghar baith kar piye, like plenty do already. Sort of like the French ban on praying on the street? Jis ko namaaz parhni hai ghar mein parhay ya masjid k andar, not in public.

Exactly, I gave up too when everybody here said that something being haraam doesn’t make it valid to be implemented as Govt law. SIGH