What is the difference between an Ahmadi and Muslims?

This is Our Quran

My heart yearns every moment to kiss Thy Book and to perform a circuit around the Holy Quran, for it is my Kaaba.

The Holy Quran is a casket of jewels but people are unaware of it.

We are a witness and testify before the whole world that we have found in the Holy Quran the reality that leads to God. We have heard the voice of God and have witnessed the signs of the mighty arm of Him Who has revealed the Quran. We believe that He is the True God and is the Master of the worlds. Our heart is filled with this certainty as the ocean is filled with water. We, therefore, call everyone to this faith and to this light on the basis of our insight. We have found the true light which dispels all darkness and which renders the heart cold to all that is beside God. This is the only way by following which a person emerges from the grip of passion and the darkness of the ego as a snake comes out of its skin [Kitabul Bariyyah, (Qadian, Ziaul Islam Press 1898); Now printed in Ruhani Khazain (London, 1984), Vol. 13, p. 47].

The Holy Quran is a rare pearl. Its outside is light and its inside is light and its above is light and its below is light and there is light in every word of it. It is a spiritual garden whose clustered fruits are within easy reach and through which streams flow. Every fruit of good fortune is found in it and every torch is lit from it. Its light has penetrated to my heart and I could not have acquired it by any other means. If there had been no Quran I would have found no delight in life. Its beauty exceeds that of a hundred thousand Josephs. I incline towards it with a great inclination and drink it into my heart. It has nurtured me as an embryo is nurtured and it has a wonderful effect on my heart. Its beauty draws me away from my soul. It has been disclosed to me in a vision that the garden of holiness is irrigated by the water of the Quran, which is a surging ocean of the water of life. He who drinks from it, comes to life and brings others to life

The expression Khataman Nabiyyin which has been applied to the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, demands that the Book that was revealed to him, should be the most perfect of all books and should comprise all excellences; and indeed so it is. The rule is that whatever degree of spiritual power and inner perfection is possessed by the person upon whom the word of God descends, the same degree of power and majesty is possessed by that word. As the spiritual power and inner perfection of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, were of the highest degree, which no one exceeded or will exceed, therefore the Holy Quran occupies that high station and rank which has not been reached by any of the previous Books and scriptures. The capacity and spiritual power of the Holy Prophet were the highest of all, and all excellences had reached their climax in him. Therefore, the Holy Quran that was revealed to him is also perfect and as the excellences of Prophethood reached their climax in him, the excellences of the miracle of the word reached their climax in the Holy Quran. Thus he was the Khataman Nabiyyin and his Book was the Khatamal Kutub. From the point of view of every aspect of a miraculous word, the Holy Quran is at the highest stage. The perfection of the Holy Quran is seen and its miraculous character is proved from every point of view, that is to say, from the points of view of excellence of composition, of the sequence of its subjects, of its teaching and its perfection and of the fruits of its teaching. That is why the Holy Quran has not demanded its match from any particular point of view, but has issued a general challenge demanding a match from any point of view. From whichever point of view it is looked at, it is a miracle (Malfoozat, Vol. III, pp. 36-37).

The Holy Quran is a miracle the like of which never was and never will be. The door of its graces and blessings is always open, and it is bright and manifest in every age as it was in the time of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him. It should also be borne in mind that the speech of everyone corresponds to his high resolve. The higher the resolve and determination and the purpose of the speaker, the same will be the case with his speech. Divine revelation also follows the same rule. The higher the resolve of the person to whom Divine revelation is vouchsafed, the higher will be the character of the revelation. As the circle of the resolve and capacity and determination of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, was very wide, the revelation that came to him had the same high rank. No one else will ever attain the same degree of resolve and courage inasmuch as his message was not for any limited time or for any particular people, as was the case with the Prophets before him. It was said to him: Proclaim, O Prophet: I am the Messenger of Allah to you all (7:159); and again: We have not sent you but as a mercy for all the worlds (21:108). Who can match him, the circle of whose advent and messengership was so wide. Today if a verse of the Holy Quran is revealed to anyone, I am convinced that the circle of that revelation will not be as wide as it was in the case of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him (Malfoozat, Vol. III, p. 57)

The fine verities pertaining to religion, and all the learning pertaining to the subject of Divinity, and conclusive arguments in support of the truth together with the mysteries and insights that are set out in the Holy Quran, are such that human faculties collectively are not able to discover them nor can the intelligence of an intelligent person alight on them on its own. A consideration of past ages has shown that no philosopher or wise man was able to discover all that knowledge; but in this case there is a wonder upon wonders, that is to say, that knowledge and insight were bestowed upon one who was entirely unlearned. He had never seen a school nor read a book nor kept company with any learned or wise person. He lived his life among wild people, was born and brought up among them and kept company with them. The Holy Prophet being unlettered is a matter so patent that no historian of Islam is unaware of it (Braheen Ahmadiyyah, pp. 470-472)

The Holy Quran is a Book which has proclaimed its own matchlessness and has claimed its own greatness, its wisdom, its truth, the beauty of its composition and its spiritual lights. It is not true that the Muslims have themselves put forward these excellences on behalf of the Quran. It sets out its own merits and excellences and puts forward its matchlessness and peerlessness as a challenge to the whole of creation and calls out loudly: Is there any contestant? Its verities and fine points are not confined to two or three which would leave room for doubt on the part of an ignorant person, but are like the surging ocean and are visible in every direction like the stars of heaven. There is no truth outside of it. There is no wisdom that is not comprised in it. There is no light that is not obtainable through following it. These things are not without proof and are not mere words. It is an established and clearly proved verity which has been shining through 1,300 years. We have set out this verity in great detail in this book and have expounded the fine points of the Quran at such length as to constitute a surging ocean for the satisfaction of a seeker after truth (Braheen Ahmadiyyah, 554-558, footnote II).


God Almighty, Who knows the secrets of the hearts, is witness that if anyone is able to point out a defect in the teaching of the Holy Quran to the extent of a thousandth part of a particle, or is able to point out an excellence in his own book, which is opposed to the teaching of the Quran and excels it, we would be prepared to submit ourselves to the penalty of death (Braheen Ahmadiyyah, p. 269, footnote).

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The miracles and extraordinary signs of the Holy Quran are of four types; one, miracles relating to the intellect; two, miracles relating to knowledge; three, miracles relating to spiritual blessings; and four, miracles relating to extraordinary matters.

The first three are miracles of the inherent qualities of the Holy Quran. They are very grand and are susceptible of obvious proof. They can be witnessed in every age like visible realities, but the fourth kind are external matters which are not inherent in the Holy Quran. Of these is the miracle of the splitting of the moon. The true excellence and beauty of the Holy Quran are exhibited in the first three kinds of miracles. Indeed, this is the great sign of all Divine words that these three kinds of miracles should be found in them. In the Holy Quran all three are found in a high and perfect and complete degree, and they are put forward by the Holy Quran repeatedly as proof of its being matchless and peerless, as it is said: Proclaim: If all men, high and low, were to combine to produce the like of this Quran, they would not be able to produce the like thereof even though they all help each other in the effort (17:89).

Be alert all the time and do not take a single step contrary to Divine teaching and the guidance of the Quran. I tell you truly that anyone who evades the least one of the 700 commandments of the Quran, shuts upon himself the door of salvation. The ways of true and perfect salvation have been opened by the Quran and all the rest is its reflection. Therefore, study the Quran with care and hold it very dear with a love that you have not for anything else. As God has said to me: All types of good are contained in the Quran. This is wholly true. Those people are to be pitied who prefer anything else to it. The fountain-head of all your prosperity and salvation is the Holy Quran. There is no religious need of yours which is not filled by the Quran. On the Day of Judgment, the Quran will confirm or deny your faith. There is no other book under heaven beside the Quran which can furnish you with salvation. God has been very Beneficent towards you that He has bestowed a Book like the Quran upon you. I tell you truly that if the Book that is recited to you had been recited to the Christians, they would not have perished. If this bounty of guidance which has been bestowed upon you had been bestowed upon the Jews in place of the Torah, some of their sects would not have denied the Judgment. Then value this favour that has been bestowed upon you; it is a very dear favour, it is great wealth. If the Quran had not been revealed the whole world would have been left like a dirty lump of flesh. The Quran is the Book in contrast with which all other guidance amounts to nothing [Kashti Nuh, (Qadian, Ziaul Islam Press, 1902); Now printed in Ruhani Khazain, Vol.19, pp.24].

These are the qualities which are found in the Surah Fatihah and in the Holy Quran, which are in accord with the qualities of matchlessness of a rose. But another great quality is found in the Surah Fatihah and the Holy Quran, which is peculiar to them, and that is that to read them with attention and sincerity purifies the heart, and removes the veils of darkness, and expands the mind, and drawing the seeker after truth to God, manifests such lights and effects in him which are found only in those who are close to God and which cannot be acquired by any other means. We have given proof in this book of this spiritual effect, and if a seeker after truth should so desire we can satisfy him and furnish fresh proof. It should also be remembered that the matchlessness and peerlessness of the Holy Quran has not only arguments of reason to establish it, but is confirmed by experience over a long period. For 1,300 years the Holy Quran has been putting forward its qualities as a challenge to the whole world, that in its external and internal qualities it is matchless and peerless and that no man can produce its equal, and yet no one has come forward to take up the challenge, not even with regard to one Surah, for instance the Surah Fatihah. Now what could be a clearer miracle than that not only this Holy Word is beyond the reach of human faculties on the basis of reason, but experience over a long period also testifies to its miraculous nature. If someone should be dissatisfied with both these types of testimony and should take pride in his knowledge and ability, or should believe that some other writer can compose something like the Holy Quran, we shall proceed, as we have promised, to set forth a sample of the verities and fine points comprehended in the Surah Fatihah. Such a person should put forth some composition of his own as a rival to the external and internal qualities of the Surah Fatihah (Braheen Ahmadiyyah, pp. 331-338, footnote II).

It is my faith that the Holy Quran is perfect in its teaching and that there is no verity that has been left out of it, as Allah, the Glorious, has said: We have sent down to thee the Book which is an exposition of everything (6:115); and again: We have not left out anything from the Book (6:39). But I also believe that it is not the function of every maulvi to set forth from the Holy Quran all religious matters and to expound all its details according to the Divine design. This is the function especially of those who have been helped with divine revelation as part Prophethood or great saintliness. For those people who not being recipients of revelation are not competent to expound Quranic insights, the only straight way is that without attempting to interpret the Quran, they should unhesitatingly accept all the teachings which have been handed down by tradition. Those who are illumined with the light of saintly revelation are included among the purified. Regarding them it is the way of Allah that from time to time He discloses to them the hidden fine points of the Holy Quran and makes it clear to them that the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, has not put forth any extra teaching on his own and that the true ahadith only set forth the details of the principles and directives contained in the Holy Quran. By being vouchsafed this insight, the miracle of the Holy Quran is manifested to them and the truth of those verses becomes clear to them in which Allah, the Glorious, says that nothing has been left out from the Holy Quran [Al-Haq, (Mubahisa Ludhiana)Qadian, 1903; Now printed in Ruhani Khazain (London, 1984), Vol. 4, pp.78-79].

Stupid Idiot.

I think if you read the above posts that I've posted with taqwa and fear of Allah, you can find answers to all your questions.

Can we convert this discussion/thread into some discussion rather thensome copy paste competition from alislam .com-----

I would suggest asking mirzais specific questions.....me bit busy right now...

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1-why mirza used abusive lanuguage....

2-Why mirzais givenpriviliaged stauts in israel..

3-HOw will mirzais justify mirzas status of being religious leader ...leave alone taweel ....just plain facts...

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Yes... what SI posted was pretty strong... with no attempts as yet at a direct response/refutation...

Originally posted by bao bihari:
Can we convert this discussion/thread into some discussion rather thensome copy paste competition from alislam .com-----

I would suggest asking mirzais specific questions…me bit busy right now…

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1-why mirza used abusive lanuguage…

discussed a thousand time in this forum. No use of repeating same thing again and again. Search the forum, you will find answers.

2-Why mirzais givenpriviliaged stauts in israel..

News for me. You tell me as I don’t know of any ahmadi getting a privilaged status in Israel. Totally Rubbish!

3-HOw will mirzais justify mirzas status of being religious leader …leave alone taweel …just plain facts…

Tell me, would you give a status of ‘religious leader’ to your Isa when he would descend from heaven according to your belief?

Same is the status that we give to Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad :as: because WE BELIEVE that he is the same Mahdi and same Messiah that world is waiting for to descend from heaven (in spiritual sense). Now if you don’t believe in him, fine. But we do, so we have to recognize the status that we believe is given to him by Allah.

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Yes... what SI posted was pretty strong... with no attempts as yet at a direct response/refutation...
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Exactly....but i think it is better to aks them one question at a time.so that they cant pic the question of thier choice and leave the rest....

Wasalam

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True... although I've yet to see any clear answers except for skirting around the issue and reams of copy-and-paste to cloud the matter and camouflage Ahmadi beliefs among Islamic beliefs...

But not in a physical sense? He’s not the real Mahdi/Messiah in that sense??

Quotes from SI:

Ofcourse, we don’t believe that he will descend ‘physically’ from the sky. As we don’t believe that he was ‘physically’ ascended to heavens.
According to our belief, he died a natural death.

So, It has to be a person born within the ummat of Muhammad:saw: in the ‘spirit’ of Jesus that would be sent as the Messiah.

Again, this issue has been discussed many times so search the thread or go to www.alislam.org to find detailed answer.

Recently discussed..but not answered

check the status of qadiyanis in haifa…they are memebrs of citycounsel there…have the privilage of propogating qadiyanism…

thats is a separate issue..hadrat issa will be recognised by clear identifications given in ahadith…

The million dollar question is how can u put mirza to that stauts…what is the justification…

give me some notable points…

Mirza has already denied that he is a messiah that meets the literal fulfilment of the return of the Messiah mentioned in hadith… in any case, this is your view on the Messiah… but what about coming of Mahdi?

*Originally posted by bao bihari: *

Recently discussed..but not answered

**YOur problem if you don’t think it has been answer because we’ve given answers many a times. But if your hearts are not open to accept the truth, then I can’t help you much with it. **

check the status of qadiyanis in haifa…they are memebrs of citycounsel there…have the privilage of propogating qadiyanism…

**Again, totally rubbish. show me the proof. **

thats is a separate issue..hadrat issa will be recognised by clear identifications given in ahadith…

**It is not at all a separate issue. It is the same issue and we have identified Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad :as: with clear signs from Allah.

The same argument can be raised against our Holy Prophet :saw:. Who could have come to this world with more clear signs to be from Allah other than Holy Prophet :saw:. But still people of his time didn’t accept him.

So, my friend, this is the sunnat of Allah that whenever he sends his messengers, his people reject him. But Allah stays always with his servant.**

Mr. Bao Bihari,

Now also give us the status of Non-Ahmadi Arab Muslims living in Haifa. Are they allowed to propagate Islam or not? Are they allowed to go to their Mosques for not? How does Ahmadi Arabs differ from Non-Ahmadi Arab Muslims in this regard?

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Recently discussed..but not answered

YOur problem if you don’t think it has been answer because we’ve given answers many a times. But if your hearts are not open to accept the truth, then I can’t help you much with it.

** LIke what was ur reply…**

check the status of qadiyanis in haifa…they are memebrs of citycounsel there…have the privilage of propogating qadiyanism…

Again, totally rubbish. show me the proof.

** farigh ho kay doon ga…google plz in the meantime **

thats is a separate issue..hadrat issa will be recognised by clear identifications given in ahadith…

It is not at all a separate issue. It is the same issue and we have identified Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad :as: with clear signs from Allah.

The same argument can be raised against our Holy Prophet :saw:. Who could have come to this world with more clear signs to be from Allah other than Holy Prophet :saw:. But still people of his time didn’t accept him.

So, my friend, this is the sunnat of Allah that whenever he sends his messengers, his people reject him. But Allah stays always with his servant.

** What are the identifications of mirza sahib,…some points plz…no taweeeelll **

obliged in advance…

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Mr. Bao Bihari,

Now also give us the status of Non-Ahmadi Arab Muslims living in Haifa. Are they allowed to propagate Islam or not? Are they allowed to go to their Mosques for not? How does Ahmadi Arabs differ from Non-Ahmadi Arab Muslims in this regard?
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muslims are not allowed to propogate in haifa..qadiyanis along with bahais have centre there...

Mr. Bao Bihari,

Please show us the proof or an order from a Israeli court or anything else which proves that Non-Ahmadi Arab Muslims are not allowed to propagate Islam and Ahmadi Arab Muslims are allowed to.

You are making a claim here and I believe you should be able to back it up.

well i support ur point..u r 100% right..really most mature post on the forum…by the way one of the identifications of mirza ahmad as prophet was “mirza died in the washroom” hahahahahaha…neva mind ..cheers..by the way sorry to say ur answeer regarding my article is totally fake

again my posts have been deleted by any “qadiyani” moderator..enoug is enough…this is paki forum and qadiyanis r not muslims soo qadiyanis spreading topic must be banned…me now assure of strong qadiyani influence here

Mr. Bao Bihari,

And don't Non-Ahmadi Arab Muslims have their Mosques in haifa? Should this also be called a "Special treatment"?

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enoug is enough....this is paki forum and qadiyanis r not muslims soo qadiyanis spreading topic must be banned...
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So, that is all you can come up with when you can't support your argument through Quran and Hadith?