What is Hinduism?

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Originally posted by Andhra:
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FIne!! I don't mind if that is what they think.
However the Earth is neither Hell nor Heaven and I feel we should concentrate on living in peace here on Earth and leave higher matters to GOd!!!
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Here I agree with you, but sadly we argue with each other on...who is a better muslim and who is not and who will go to hell and who will not, inside our religion and you are speaking about peace outside religion...quite impossible, will never come true.

For me each belief is their own...and we should just respect without comparing religion and beliefs..only God knows best.

I’m Hindu, I practice a tiny bit but not much at all. Although i enjoy learning about it. I’m an Indian-American born and raised here. And in undergrad.

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Originally posted by Mr Xtreme:
** if there's no strict definition then why call it Hinduism?**
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I have no clue. Maybe we should call it Vedism (there's a such thing as Vedanta though but i'm not sure if it necessairily refers to what i'm talking about) since most Hindu believes r based on the Vedas. Although there r many confusing attributes. People on this boared say u can reject certain texts and still be a hindu? That makes no sense to me. There r sects in Hinduism like Arya Samaj that ban idol worship. Although it's usually condoned. Well i guess that's a small thing. Some Hindus eat beef, some all meaet but beef, some just chicken, some no meat, some r veggies, some r vegans, some dont use onions or garlic in their food etc. How can u defend or slander Hinduism if it can't be defined? Haha I hope Ibrahim doesn't come to mess up the thread.

ibrahim will dig up something in vedas
hindus were cannibals until moghuls came over. let him go mughalalistan or central asia he may feel at home.

Hinduism means cast system. This is the only ugly fact acceptable to any hindu of any breed.
Further each cast is divided into many subcasts, and this cast issue becomes supreme when hindus go for marriage match making, at that point there is no compromise, however progressivness some hindu boasts of.
Many gods or no god all is secondary.

Gandhi had come up with a definition of Hinduism. I can't seem to find it anywhere. Could someone dig it out for me please?

Durango said:

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A true Hindu will have no problem in accepting all other faiths. He will never say,"Oh, I am only a Hindu. I am not a Catholic. I’'m not a Buddhist. I’'m not a Muslim." They are all based on devotion, the Bhakti Yoga. The ocean never denies any water; it’s all embracing. That is why sometimes I like to call myself "Undo," because I would like to undo "all limitations".
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Now while i quite liked most of his post, there is a slight contradiction in what he's saying. By claiming that a TRUE hindu would accept all other beliefs, he's automatically denying the faith of hindus who don't follow that thought process. This sounds slightly muddled.

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Originally posted by aishaA:
Gandhi had come up with a definition of Hinduism. I can't seem to find it anywhere. Could someone dig it out for me please?

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Ibrahim says greetings of peace to one and all

Dear Aishaa,

hope this helps ..............

Dr. Radhakrishnan, ex-President of India and an eminent interpreter of Hinduism, as quoted in India:

 An Introduction by Khushwant Singh, New Delhi, 1990.

 ** [Hinduism is] "... a name without any content... Its content, if any, has altered from age to age, from community to community. ** It meant one thing in the Vedic period, another in the Brahmanical, a third in the Buddhist [1] - one to Saivite, another to Vaishnavite and Sakta."

(Dr. Radhakrishnan was the second President of independent India).

Jawaharlal Nehru, The Discovery of India, New Delhi, 1983, p.75.

**  "Hinduism, as a faith, is vague, amorphous, many-sided, all things to all men.**  It is hardly possible to define it, or indeed to say definitely whether it is a religion or not, in the usual sense of the word. In its present form, and even in the past, ** it embraces many beliefs and practices, from the highest to the lowest, often opposed to or contradicting each other."** 

(Pandit Nehru was the first Prime Minister of independent India during 1947-64).

M.K Gandhi, Hindu Dharma, New Delhi, 1991, p. 120.

**  "Hinduism does not rest on the authority of one book or one prophet, nor does it possess a common creed ** – like the Kalma [sic.] of Islam - acceptable to all. That renders a common definition of Hinduism a bit difficult."

(Mahatma Gandhi is known as the Father of the Nation, India).

Dr. B.R. Ambedkar, What Congress and Gandhi have done to Untouchables?

 ** “Hinduism is a veritable chamber of horrors.**  The sanctity and infallibility of the Vedas, Smritis and Shastras, the iron law of caste, the heartless law of karma and the senseless law of status by birth are to the Untouchables veritable instruments of torture which Hinduism has forged against untouchables. ** These very instruments which have mutilated; blasted and blighted the lives of the Untouchables are to be found intact and untarnished in the bosom of Gandhism."** 

(Dr. B. R. Ambedkar was the first Law Minister of independent India. He was the head of the committee that drafted the constitution of India, and he is known as the Father of Indian Constitution.).

Swami Dharma Theertha, History of Hindu Imperialism, Madras, 1992, p. 178.

 ** "Frankly speaking, it is not possible to say definitely who is a Hindu and what is Hinduism.**  These questions have been considered again and again by eminent scholars, and so far no satisfactory answer has been given. Hinduism has within itself all types of religions such as theism, atheism, polytheism, Adwitism, Dwaitism, Saivism, Vaishnavism, and so forth. (emphasis added). ** It contains nature worship, ancestor  worship, animal worship, idol worship, demon worship, symbol worship, self worship, and the highest god worship. Its conflicting philosophies will confound any ordinary person.**  From barbarious practices and dark superstitions, up to the most mystic rites and sublime philosophies, there is place for all gradations and varieties in Hinduism. Similarly,**  among the Hindu population are found half barbarian wild tribes, and depressed classes and untouchables, along with small numbers of cultured, gentle natures and highly evolved souls."** 

Khushwant Singh, India: An Introduction, New Delhi, 1990, p. 19.

 ** "Hinduism defies definition** ... It has no specific creed."

Ardersir Sorabjee as quoted in Swami Dharma Theertha, History of Hindu Imperialism, Madras, 1992, P. 178.

 ** "Their (Hindus') religion is a standing travesty of ancient Hinduism, consisting as it does of rank idolatry mixed with superstition and fetishism of the most degrading type.**  They believe in the worship of their innumerable devas or good spirits and the propitiation of an equally large number of demons and evil spirits, both of which they assume have their resting places on earth in their idols of stone and marble, gold and silver."

Sir Alfred Lyll as quoted in Modern Hinduism by Wilkins, London, 1975, p. 310.

 "... the religion of the non-Mohamedan [2] population of India ** is a tangled jungle of disorderly superstitions, ghosts and demons, demi-gods, and deified saints, household gods, local gods, tribal gods, universal gods, with their countless shrines and temples, and the din of their discordant rites; deities who abhor a fly's death; those who still delight in human sacrifices."** 

P. Thomas, Hindu Religion, Customs and Manners, p.21.

 "Hinduism is not a religion established by a single person. ** It is a growth of ideas, rituals and beliefs so comprehensive as to include anything between atheism and pantheism. ** (emphasis added). Having grown out of the practices and speculations of various communities that were admitted into the Hindu fold at different times,  Hinduism, as it stands at present, has very few set of dogmas. ** A formal recognition of the Vedas as revealed wisdom is all that is required for a Hindu to be known as such. ** But the latitude permitted in interpreting the Vedas is so wide that the atheistic Sankhya philosophy of Kapila and the polytheism of the Puranas are both recognized as Orthodox."

Percival Spear, India: A Modern History, Michigan, 1961, p.40.

 "The more Hinduism is considered, the more difficult it becomes to define it in a single phrase... ** A Hindu may have any religious belief or none; he may be an atheist or an agnostic and still be an accepted Hindu** ... It is public opinion working through the caste system which determines whether someone shall or shall not be regarded as a Hindu."

The Economist, June 8, 1991, p. 22, col. l.

 "Hinduism is far more unstructured than most other religions. It has no archbishops, chief rabbis, grand muftis. **  Each Hindu decides for himself which manifestations of God are most important to him, what scriptures to accept as authentic, which holy man to follow.**  The one ineluctable certainty is a person's dharma." 

** Gandhi is one of the few modern social reformers to have understood this principle underlying the shastras. ** Therefore, he could unhesitatingly declare:

** "My belief in the Hindu scriptures does not require me to accept every word and every verse as divinely inspired.** .. I decline to be bound by any interpretation, however learned it may be, if it is repugnant to reason or moral sense." (The Collected Work of Mahatma Gandhi, The Publication Division, Government of India, Vol. XXI, p. 246)

He goes on to add:

"1) I believe in varnashrama of the Vedas which in my opinion is based on absolute equality of status, notwithstanding passages to the contrary in the smritis and elsewhere.

2) Every word of the printed works passing muster as `Shastras' is not, in my opinion, a revelation.

3) The interpretation of accepted texts has undergone evolution and is capable of indefinite evolution, even as the human intellect and heart are.

4) Nothing in the shastras which is manifestly contrary to universal truths and morals can stand.

5) Nothing in the shastras which is capable of being reasoned can stand if it is in conflict with reason." (The Collected Work of Mahatma Gandhi, Vol. LXII, p. 121).

Ibrahim says: greetings of peace to one and all

Dear Hindus on this thread!

why do you all keep repeating my name, stop dreaming of me all the time, man this is getting crazy . sorry I cannot be your god or guru, for I am only a slave to “Allah” the one who Created me!

If you are in search of your latest god/guru/swami to worship, the last one I heard of was

Kolkata, July 5. (PTI): On the “Guru Purnima” day today when students acknowledge the contribution of teachers, a bunch of starry-eyed** fans of megastar Amitabh Bachchan worshiped their preceptor' whose films, they say, are replete with sublime messages from Heaven." **

The celebration, complete with the traditional Guru Puja', Guru Mangalkamna Yajna’, Pushpanjali' (flower offerings) and chanting of Vedic hymns in honour of the guru’, began early in the day marking the beginning of a four-month long `Amitabh Utsav’ envisaged by the Amitabh Bachchan Fans’ Association (ABFA) here.
“He has touched the lives of millions with his soul-stirring movies, each of which has a moral lesson for us lesser mortals,” the ABFA State Secretary, S P Kamat, said.
(Reuters photo shows** fans of Bollywood icon Amitabh Bachchan worship his wax bust in Kolkata ** on Thursday.)

For Kamat and over 10,000 registered fans of the thespian, `Amitji’s’ meaningful movies and rich dialogues in baritone have become a part of their lives.

Ibrahim says : I could be mistaken it may have been this dog too…the choice is yours but please forget me and leave in peace.

** Dog as the “reincarnation” of God **

[Article taken from clari.news.religion]

BOMBAY, Sep 3 (AFP) - A Hindu cult near Bombay is worshipping a pet dog as the
“reincarnation” of a holy man who died many years ago, a newspaper said Wednesday.

The Asian Age said a two-year-old white Pomeranian, named “Sai” after the holyman, was the object of worship at Panvel town.

On Thursdays, devotees gather for “blessings” from Sai, who is fitted out with saffron cloth.

The Age said the dog worship had its roots in a legend, according to which Sai Baba, the Hindu holy man, appeared before his devotees in the form of a dog in order to test them.

Sai, the dog, sleeps in an air-conditioned room. His teeth are brushed once in five days with a special, soft bristle-brush and toothpaste imported from London.

Twice a week he is bathed with soap and an assortment of 22 shampoos also brought from London. There are special towels for his use.

The dog is fed imported vegetable “bones,” butter and chocolates from a silver bowl, the Age said.

Ibrahim says; or was it this rock? Hmm..anyway please please do not call on me!

http://www.news24.co.za/News24/Offbeat/Weird/0,4190,2-16-140_1024085,00.html

** Rock fallen from truck adored **

Bangalore - Hundreds of people in the southern state of Karnataka have begun worshipping a huge rock that slipped off a truck while being transported to a temple in a neighbouring state.

The single-piece rock, weighing more than 100 tons, was being taken to Tamil Nadu ** to be carved into an idol of the monkey-god Hanuman, ** a prominent Hindu deity. The statue was to be installed in a temple at Thiruvallur, 100km north of Madras, capital of Tamil Nadu.

The rock fell off the 96-wheel trailer a couple of kilometres near Hassan, 450km west of Madras.

Believing it to be holy, villagers in the area began worshipping the huge rock before it could be sculpted into a statue of Hanuman.

** Hindu priests chanted prayers and applied vermillion paste to the rock to consecrate it. Villagers lit oil lamps and made flower offerings to the stone.**

Ibrahim says: My dear hindus, So kindly do not even mention my name, I may respond when you call or mention my name, and you may find “TRUTH” difficult to accept.

Regards
Ibrahim

** we have billions of brain cells. They ask only for directions. **

let us hear from historians

The Indian way of life provides the vision of the natural, real way of
life. We veil ourselves with unnatural masks. On the face of India are
the tender expressions which carry the mark of the Creator’s hand. "
- George Bernard Shaw, Famous British Author

"In religion, India is the only millionaire The One land that all men
desire to see and having seen once, by even a glimpse, would not give
that glimpse for all the shows of all the rest of the globe combined".
- Mark Twain (American Author 1835-1910 )

"If there is one place on the face of this Earth where all the dreams of
living men have found a home from the very earliest days when Man began
the dream of existence, it is India."
- Romain Rolland (French Philosopher 1886-1944)

"In the great teaching of the Vedas, there is no touch of sectarianism.
It is of all ages, climes and nationalities and is the royal road for
the attainment of the Great Knowledge. "
- Thoreau, (American Thinker)

"If I am asked which nation had been advanced in the ancient world in
respect of education and culture then I would say it was - India."
- Max Muller (German Indologist)

"In India I found a race of mortals living upon the Earth. but not
adhering to it. Inhabiting cities, but not being fixed to them,
possessing everything but possessed by nothing".
- Apollonius Tyanaeus (Greek Thinker and Traveller 1st Century AD)

"It is already becoming clearer that a chapter which has a western
beginning will have to have an Indian ending if it is not to end in the
self-destruction of the human race... At this supremely dangerous
moment in history the only way of salvation for mankind is the Indian
Way. "
- Dr. Arnold Toynbee (British Historian 1889-1975)

"India was the motherland of our race and Sanskrit the mother of
Europe's languages. India was the mother of our philosophy, of much of
our mathematics, of the ideals embodied in Christianity... of
self-government and democracy. In many ways, Mother India is the mother
of us all."
- Will Durant (American Historian 1885-1981)

[This message has been edited by rvikz (edited March 29, 2002).]

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Originally posted by vivek:
** I'm Hindu, I practice a tiny bit but not much at all. Although i enjoy learning about it. I'm an Indian-American born and raised here. And in undergrad. **
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nice knowing you....
usually american born indians and pakistanis are not even intrested in their own culture or people, what brought you on pak message boards.

just asking, i know its a personal question...you can ignore it.

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Originally posted by secret_obsession:
** nice knowing you....
usually american born indians and pakistanis are not even intrested in their own culture or people, what brought you on pak message boards.

just asking, i know its a personal question...you can ignore it.**
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Well I guess I'm an exception. Although i'm in to the academic stuff mainly. Well I probably would say the same thing as anyone else who was asked how they got to this board: just stumbled upon it. Yes, there r others but there seems to be a lot of activity on this one and it's organized well.
I frequent another desi board called desiparty. doubt u've heard of it. mostly for abcd's indo-canadians etc. And way different from this. ie different kinds of topics not much hindi/urdu etc.