What is a "miracle"?

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Since this topic is still alive, let me give an overview of miracles.

Popular and common understanding of the word 'miracle' is an event that somehow breaks the laws of nature and is a direct result of intervention by a power outside nature - usually God.
This definition has problems both scientifically and theologically.

Scientifically, the problem is that laws of nature are determined by empirical observation. So if an event is observed that violates a law of nature then the law is modified to include that event. So an event may violate a particular law but there is really no such thing as unnatural or supernatural events.

As for the famous scriptural miracles their occurrence cannot be verified scientifically. There has been no physical or even historical evidence to establish any of the miraculous events mentioned in any religious scripture.

Theologically, the problem is that this view reduces God to a being in space and time. His actions are directly visible in space and time and can be clearly differentiated from other actions that are not attributed to him. This reduces God to merely a being, even though the most powerful one. Such a concept is actually irreligious.
Also, the idea that God would need to break his own laws to correct something undermines his Omnipotence and Omniscience.

Serious students of religion have always understood miracles in a deeper way.
Miracle is not an unnatural event. It is a perfectly natural event. But the special context of the event inspires a profound wonder in those who experience it and makes them aware of the presence of God. This is entirely a subjective experience. But it is as real as other subjective experiences like love or despair. Of course, 'the presence of God' does not refer to a physical phenomenon but points to a non-physical level of reality that transcends physical reality.

This view clearly separates miracle from illusion and quackery.
In case of illusion or quackery (or even technology) we are amazed because we cannot explain the event. Once a satisfactory explanation is offered our amazement dissipates. With a miracle our sense of wonder remains intact in spite of fully understanding the physical causes of the event.

With this view of miracles it is possible to accept scriptural miracles as having occurred and consider them perfectly natural but extremely unusual events. Their extreme improbability and occurrence at crucial junctures in history is what inspired in people a strong enough sense of wonder to call them miraculous.
However, I personally do not subscribe to this view. If we look at ancient religious literature and traditions we see that symbolic language is an essential part of them. Symbolic language is used to describe aspects of events that cannot be described in simple descriptive ways. This is what I consider these 'miracle stories' to be. They use symbolic language to describe the powerful sense of wonder associated with the event.
For example, in the case Prophet Musa(R) leading Israelites out Egypt, there is no real independent evidence that anything unusual happened. However, the escape of slave tribes from a powerful tyrant was such a momentous event for the Israelites that they considered it miraculous. That is why their recollection of it includes symbolic language that tries to communicate their sense of wonder.
Lastly, let us not forget that God himself speaks in symbolic language, as He has said in the Quran.

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Please allow me to correct you it was Hazrat Mousa (es).

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A friend of mine told me that one of his friend's was always very disrespectful to his mom. Less than a year back she got really sick and after several test the doctor told that she had cancer (advanced stage) and that she would not live for more than 6 months. The guy had a total change in his attitude after hearing this. He started really caring for her. I guess when someone is close by you cannot imagine how much you love that person.
Then 2 months back on a regular checkup the doctor was suprised and was confused, the cancer had gone. There was no sign of it.
For me this is no less than a miracle, even though scientist may have reasons for this.

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i disagree. scientific principles that we completely accept as truth can be broken......by God. for example, the first law of thermodynamics states that matter can be neither created nor destroyed. it is true that nothing in this universe has the power to create or destroy matter, including man. but God can certainly create or destroy matter.

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As for the famous scriptural miracles their occurrence cannot be verified scientifically. There has been no physical or even historical evidence to establish any of the miraculous events mentioned in any religious scripture.
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miracles can never be explained by physical evidence or scientific reasoning. that is the definition of a miracle.

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Theologically, the problem is that this view reduces God to a being in space and time. His actions are directly visible in space and time and can be clearly differentiated from other actions that are not attributed to him. This reduces God to merely a being, even though the most powerful one. Such a concept is actually irreligious.
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i think by forcing God to follow the scientific principles that he created and that we are just now discovering, reduces God. God has no need to be constrained by the laws of the universe that he created. we are constrained by those laws. God is not. our scientific discoveries only show the limitations of ourselves and of this universe, not the limitations of God.

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Serious students of religion have always understood miracles in a deeper way.
Miracle is not an unnatural event. It is a perfectly natural event. But the special context of the event inspires a profound wonder in those who experience it and makes them aware of the presence of God. This is entirely a subjective experience. But it is as real as other subjective experiences like love or despair. Of course, 'the presence of God' does not refer to a physical phenomenon but points to a non-physical level of reality that transcends physical reality.
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if you read the definition of miracle posted at the top, you will see that miracles by definition refer to physical phenomena that cannot be explained by the laws of nature. there is nothing subjective about miracles. God parted the red sea to allow Moses (pbuh) and the Israelites to escape Pharaoh. the parting of the red sea breaks every single law of physics that we have written in our textbooks. there is nothing subjective about it.

what you are talking about is inspiration. God inspires different people in different ways, which could be seen as being subjective.

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This view clearly separates miracle from illusion and quackery.
In case of illusion or quackery (or even technology) we are amazed because we cannot explain the event. Once a satisfactory explanation is offered our amazement dissipates. With a miracle our sense of wonder remains intact in spite of fully understanding the physical causes of the event.
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its interesting that illusions have come into the discussion, because God describes this world as being a world of illusions.......God does not describe this world as being a world of miracles.

illusions can be explained by the laws of nature, and illusions are used by people to make others believe what they want them to believe. illusions are entirely limited by scientific principles and illusions are entirely used by human beings to trick other human beings.

MIRACLES are entirely DIVINE in nature and CANNOT be explained by the laws of nature. a human being cannot produce a miracle, he can only produce illusions. only God can produce miracles.

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I think you missed the point I made about laws of nature. The laws of nature are based on empirical observation. So, if a miracle is observed to violate a law of nature then that law would be discarded and replaced by a more comprehensive law that would include the so-called miraculous phenomenon.

Taking your example of the First Law of Thermodynamics, if creation of matter out of nothing was ever observed in nature then the law would be discarded and replaced by some new law that tries to account for that phenomenon as well.

To say that some phenomenon can NEVER be explained by laws of nature requires proof of why it is so.

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the proof is self-evident. do scientists know everything about the universe right now? no they don't. and they never will.

recognizing that you don't know everything about the universe doesn't make you any smarter. being proud of your ability to say that you dont know everything about the universe is silly. it doesn't make you any more knowledgable or change the underlying fact that you don't know everything about the universe.

i could say that i know all the numbers between 1 and 6 and i dont know any number after 6. then i could make a scientific theory stating: all numbers between 1 and 6 are known and any numbers after 6 are unknown. does me recognizing that i dont know any numbers after 6 make me any smarter or erase the fact that i don't know any numbers after 6?

similarly, there will always be ways of breaking scientific laws that we establish and write down in textbooks. why is this possible? because God can produce miracles that exist outside of such laws. and as soon such miracles occur, mankind will be tripping over itself trying to explain them and then to entirely alter their sciences to accomodate such miracles. but God is always one step ahead.