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There is a no way a country can be muslim. Have u ever heard a country say first kalma?
Pakistan is a country where majority of the population is muslim.
This is the best y can explain Pakistan. Pakistan was not made for Islam. Because it would mean that muslims left behind in India automatically chose Kafirism over Islam.
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Hey asayb,
Pakistan would not be if it were not for a Shia named Jinnah. I know that's a FACT you really hate.
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At least he was great, he wanted to have a country where all muslim coul practice their religion freely.
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He also drank acohol, ate pork, and married a non-Muslim! We should definitely look up to him.
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Not just Muslims, but everybody.
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Do you mean his wife was Parsi..........Still living in your egg shell.
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You are wrong. Pakistan was created for muslims where people of other religons could also live and practice freely. Now you will say Itly is a country for everyone ??? and you can be a pope ////
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Idiot that's what I said: where all can practice thier religion freely.
And his wife was a parsi, not a muslim.
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mister420,
There is no Islam in the pak govt. It is a secular state. If Islam was implemented there wouldn't be such a large gap between the rich and the poor. Now that i'm talking about Islam is it going to lead to your death?
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masterofall240 There is difference in where all can practice and created for. And for your info his wife converted to muslim six months before marriage to a muslim. Check your source.
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Name me one true Islamic state of today or in the last 1000years coming close to your reasoning?
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There is no Islamic state today.
The Khilafah was destroyed on 3rd March 1924
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Agreed. You made a statement as follows:
“If Islam was implemented there wouldn’t be such a large gap between the rich and the poor”
Was it based on an real life example that happened in the last 1000years which can be used as a blueprint OR its based on some other modelling you can quote?
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Actually you need to read the fine constitution of Pakistan. It is the constitution, unfortunately that is a legal document defining what is and what is not.
I think you are making the statement based on the lack of enforcement of Isalmic Principles that should be enforced if Pakistan were to follow the legal document word for word.
Pakistan is a very much moderate Islamic Country.
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fartguru,
Economy is such a huge subject, I don't know where to start. Although the khilafah state in the past did shorten the gap ( which makes our argument more credible ) what we need to understand is that whether Islam today is capable of shortening such a large gap.
As you probably already know Islam approaches the economic problem as being a problem of distribution not supply and demand.
There are many ayahs which prevent such a gap between the rich and the poor from forming such as :
“Lest it circulates solely among the wealthy from amongst you.” [Al-Hashr: 7]
“And let not those who are niggardly, who withhold the gifts which Allah has given them from His Grace, think that it is good for them. Rather it is worse for them. That which they hoard will be their collar on the Day of Resurrection. To Allah belongs the heritage of the heavens and the earth, and Allah is informed of what you do.” [Al-Imran: 180]
“O you who believe! Spend of the good things which you have earned, and of that which We bring forth from the earth for you.” [Al-Baqarah: 267]
“O you who believe! Do not prohibit the good things which Allah made halal for you.” [Al-Ma’idah: 87]
“But seek the abode of the Hereafter in that which Allah has given you, and do not neglect your portion of worldly life, and be kind even as Allah has been kind to you, and seek not corruption in the earth.” [Al-Qasas: 77]
“And squander not (your wealth) in wantonness. Lo! The squanderers were ever brothers of the devils.” [Al-Isra: 26-27]
The Sunan of An-Nisai states: “The Messenger of Allah (saw) forbade leasing the land. We said, ‘O Prophet of Allah, can we then lease it for some of the grain.” He (saw) said, ‘No.’ We said, ‘We used to lease it for the straw.’ He (saw) said, ‘No.’We said, ‘We used to lease
it in return of that on the irrigating Rabee’a.’ He (saw) said, ‘No, plant it or grant it to your brother.’”
Al-Musayyab narrated from Mu’ammar ibn Abdullah Al-‘Adawi in Bukhari that the Prophet (saw) said: “No one monopolises except the wrongdoer.”
the Messenger of Allah(saw) said: “Whosoever sought the life (matters) legitimately (halal) and decently he will meet Allah (swt) with his face as a full moon; and whosoever sought it arrogantly and excessively he will meet Allah while He is angry at him.”
The economic policy is the objective of the laws which deal with the management of human affairs. The economic policy in Islam is to secure the satisfaction of all basic needs for every individual completely, and to enable him to satisfy his luxuries as much as he can, as a person living in a particular society, which has a certain way of life. So Islam looks at every individual by himself rather than the total of individuals who live in the country. It looks at him as a human being first, who needs to satisfy all of his basic needs completely, then it looks to him in his capacity as a particular individual, to enable him to satisfy his luxuries as
much as possible. Islam looks to him at the same time, considering him a person linked with others by certain relationships run in a certain way, according to a particular fashion. The purpose of the economic policy in Islam is not to only raise the standard of living in the country without looking to secure the rights of life for every individual completely. Nor is it just to provide the means of satisfaction in the society, leaving people free to take from such means as much as they can, without securing the right of livelihood for each individual. Rather, it addresses the basic problems of everyone as a human being, who lives according to particular relationships, then enabling him to raise his standard of living and achieve comfort for himself, according to a particular fashion of life. As such it is different from all other economic policies.
Source: The Economic System of Islam by Taqiuddin An-Nabhani
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Sound theory, being a believing muslim one cannot deny the above verses and the gist of your argument. Having said that, we will continue to be confronted with the issue of who, how, where and when. These are not minor details, had it been so simple we would be discussing very different issues. Sad reality of the Muslim history post fourth Khalifa has been one which had many opportunities to reform itself, maybe there were some honest attempts. But, history tells us a story of constant warfare, greed, deciet, hypocrisy, misuse of power, constant bickering on what is permissable and what is not, religious persecution, bigotry and capitulation to the western powers.
Maybe it is time we Muslims started from the scratch, become what Allah created us first i.e., human beings. Many muslims either forget or ignore the importance of being first a human being and then a Muslim. One has to strive to become a good human being, next step is to be a Muslim and then Momin. These are the Darrajja’s Allah speaks of in the Holy Quran. Once we realize our functions and responsibilities of being human then only can we appreciate the purpose of our existence, then only will we understand the covenant we are bound by, then only will we appreciate Allah’s creation (humanity) then only we can say with conviction we are Muslims.
So lets first decide the basics then we can move to phase II..Thanks
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Can you please tell me if I can pray with a kid 3 years old on my left hand side or does he have to be on my right while there is a kid 10 years on my right already?
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Didnt know Islam supports socialism.
how come this gap would evaporate in thin year, under islam?
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Lajawab
who ask you to pray?
if you want to pray with your kids then it has to be like that 3yrs old on ur left shoulder and 10 year old on ur right shoulder this is best way.
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fartguru,
It is Islam which decides what are good morals, good behaviour etc so it is Islam which decides what makes a good human.
I think Muslims declined when Ijtihad was stopped which led to stagnation of the thought and imitation of the past became prevalent. Instead of producing new technologies to solve new problems or correct Ijtihad on technologies produced by the west, we rejected all technology from the west yet accepted their ideas which contradicted Islam. Telephones were considered haram since you hear whispers and shaytan whispers! It should have been the other way around.
Other ideas which led to stagnation were myticism and asceticism. These ideas promote individualism and create defeatism in the people. Patience was understood and still is understood by many Muslims to be to sit at home and endure the problem, instead of acting and solving problems because they think that would mean to oppose the will of Allah. Patience means to hold on to Islam no matter which problem you face.
If we study movements which led to the births of ideological states we can see that they did not change the people first and then establish the state but the people generally wanted to change the system with the system offered by a minority who were affected by the ideology and the people were changed after the system was changed.