I will say..that Israeli's might have learned terror techniques from personal experience.
The fear and terror experienced so long ago lurrks inside to haunt them.
Especially knowing majority of todays Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Arabia refutes their right of exitence.
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Don't you think its something horrifying? The same ppl who have been hunted down once are now hunting others?! You dont learn from personal experience unless there is a common source which teaches you. What Hilter has done in past was obviously barbaric, what they are performing is no less than that.
Yes I am very much worried about Muslim holocaust in Sialkot and Multan perpetrated by the M*Toos and their PiTAA supporters.
Hmmm! Sure it is shameful to protest the bombing of Pakistani-Shias, harassment of Pakistani-Ahmadis, and gunning down of Pakistani-Christians. NOT!
Down with the M*Toos and their PiTAA supporters!
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Can you just stick once to the topic, before going off again and again.....the only think i hear is shia, sunni blah blah matoos, mullahs blah blah matoos....cmon get a life, brain washed abcd.
Can you just stick once to the topic, before going off again and again.....the only think i hear is shia, sunni blah blah matoos, mullahs blah blah matoos....cmon get a life, brain washed abcd.
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He just copy and paste his posts. He has the same post in my thread about the Quote of the month. I guess he is running out of sarcastic smarta$$ ideas.
Don't you think its something horrifying? The same ppl who have been hunted down once are now hunting others?! You dont learn from personal experience unless there is a common source which teaches you. What Hilter has done in past was obviously barbaric, what they are performing is no less than that.
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You are right in a sense.
And it is horrifying.
My theory is sort of what one would expect from abused children....
unless they experience something positive..and learn something positive ..aren't they inclined to mistreat their own children?
How do we change such a terrible given?
Whats your idea?
How do we help both the Palestinians and the Israelis?
He just copy and paste his posts. He has the same post in my thread about the Quote of the month. I guess he is running out of sarcastic smarta$$ ideas.
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Sarcastic? You call that smart ass dont insult me...:D
My theory is sort of what one would expect from abused children....
unless they experience something positive..and learn something positive ..aren't they inclined to mistreat their own children?
How do we change such a terrible given?
Whats your idea?
How do we help both the Palestinians and the Israelis?
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AvgAG,
Appreciate your answers. The main problem is that these nations never ever could live side by side. The most effective weapon against anger, fear and frustration is either love (that never worked) or separation.
I would let UN intervene in such situation. It's just that the zionists are against it and to be honest even those radical groups on both sides are not ready to agree on such idea.
It's high time for all the politicians around the globe to ACCEPT and implement such ideas and make them reality. We need a State Palestine and we need a State Israel workin independent and then no one should be allowed to touch the others.
But as long as Israel will keep up ignoring Un resolutions as long as Palestinians keep bombing and as long as US keeps vetoing there wont be peace nor justice!
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Can you just stick once to the topic,
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A.
Muslim holocaust is a funny idea. We have the numbers like 2 billions and expanding! This hardly portends a massive decline in the numbers due to attacks by IDF. Even in Palestinian areas, the population has steadily grown. Few places that ever came close to ethnic cleansing of Muslims were the Serbia, and Baha-Rat. Thanks to US, Serbian whackos are in jail. OTOH for Gujarat killing, I don't see Arra-bobo and PiTAAs jumping up and down protesting against Baha-Rat.
Tandy's assertion about Muslim holocaust was simply a joke and it was treated as such.
B.
When I look around my country, I see more Pakistanis dying at the hands of religious zealots "affectionately" called M*AToos (the dirty KARToos).
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....the only think i hear is shia, sunni blah blah ....
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It may not ring a bell in the Luton's aloo stores (and Bradford's tea stall), but here in my country we just lost 70+ lives of Sunnis and Shias. Bloody Mullahs may consider this business as usual, I don't.
Appreciate your answers. The main problem is that these nations never ever could live side by side. The most effective weapon against anger, fear and frustration is either love (that never worked) or separation.
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In the long run..do you think the wall will help? I think maybe..for a short-time..as long as no one crosses the wall unless they cross the wall with love....could they? would they? Probobly not.
How the heck can we help them both?
I have radical idea.... take a buch of Israelis and make them settle in Ramalah.
A.
Muslim holocaust is a funny idea. We have the numbers like 2 billions and expanding! This hardly portends a massive decline in the numbers due to attacks by IDF. Even in Palestinian areas, the population has steadily grown. Few places that ever came close to ethnic cleansing of Muslims were the Serbia, and Baha-Rat. Thanks to US, Serbian whackos are in jail. OTOH for Gujarat killing, I don't see Arra-bobo and PiTAAs jumping up and down protesting against Baha-Rat.
Tandy's assertion about Muslim holocaust was simply a joke and it was treated as such.
B.
When I look around my country, I see more Pakistanis dying at the hands of religious zealots "affectionately" called M*AToos (the dirty KARToos).
It may not ring a bell in the Luton's aloo stores (and Bradford's tea stall), but here in my country we just lost 70+ lives of Sunnis and Shias. Bloody Mullahs may consider this business as usual, I don't.
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In the long run..do you think the wall will help? I think maybe..for a short-time..as long as no one crosses the wall unless they cross the wall with love....could they? would they? Probobly not.
How the heck can we help them both?
I have radical idea.... take a buch of Israelis and make them settle in Ramalah.
Take a bunch of Pali's and settle them in Haifa.
Just like you would do if your kids were arguing.
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the wall must be UN not a visible one.
The radicalization you are mentioning is exactly the love problem I mentioned above.
The thing is, there are Palis and Israelis living side by side and they are not satisfied. On party blames the other, be it a fight or a normal discussion. Hearing about the Israeli side (since they been not very talk-ativ the last few dayz while busy in bombarding) and the reaction on yesterday nights attacks on Jews has just showed that they have been forced to say the things they been saying in past. It's like a cd stuck in a hifi system or a DJ revolving the disc all over again. Palis here palis there, same comes from the Pali politicians Israeli this and Israeli that....CMON, give me break! You all suck and earn your money while letting those bombings continue, let the Israeli strike and let the ppl die on both sides. Non of them wants peace, I believe in this now.
But then give them their land you occupied, its "also" theirs.
I seriously think that both need help. I don't think Israel needs the kind of help that U.S. has always given.
I think better help is needed and that help needed doesn't include tanks, helicopters or bombs..even though the Israeli's think it does.
I think a better idea is to withdraw all military aid. All monies earmarked for Israel only toward humanitarian aid.
And equal aid given to Palestine.
I think worth a try anyhow.
I think the better worthwhile investment is in the people who live there...and not in the politicians.
However..if military aid is withdrawn from Israel..and Israel suffer attack from neighboring countries...then..I think fair to grant Lend-Lease policy.
Because I say the above...I think most muslims think I am bias..
I don't think I am. Maybe I sound like I am.
I do support a Palestinian State.
I also support an Israeli State.
I am of the thinking that Jerusalem should be an open place. A place all mankind might feel welcomed.
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How do I help a Palestinian?
How do I help an Israeli?
I seriously think that both need help. I don't think Israel needs the kind of help that U.S. has always given.
I think better help is needed and that help needed doesn't include tanks, helicopters or bombs..even though the Israeli's think it does.
I think a better idea is to withdraw all military aid. All monies earmarked for Israel only toward humanitarian aid.
And equal aid given to Palestine.
I think worth a try anyhow.
I think the better worthwhile investment is in the people who live there...and not in the politicians.
However..if military aid is withdrawn from Israel..and Israel suffer attack from neighboring countries...then..I think fair to grant Lend-Lease policy.
Because I say the above...I think most muslims think I am bias..
I don't think I am. Maybe I sound like I am.
I do support a Palestinian State.
I also support an Israeli State.
I am of the thinking that Jerusalem should be an open place. A place all mankind might feel welcomed.
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AvgAG,
These are points one can try but I dont see much hope for it.
They are not even ready to talk with each other how will they cooperate and work with each other on peace plans like those?
Time for Kindness is over.....its time for a break through by realistic methods like I have mentioned before in this thread.
AvgAG,
These are points one can try but I dont see much hope for it.
They are not even ready to talk with each other how will they cooperate and work with each other on peace plans like those?
Time for Kindness is over.....its time for a break through by realistic methods like I have mentioned before in this thread.
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