Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?
Ghauri, Ghaznavi, Aurangzeb, Babur and Abdali were our heroes.
They were great muslim warriors. how dare you insult them 
Re: Was The British Raj In Sub-continent a good outcome from a muslim perspective?
Sheikh Saab I am guessing you've never read about the famines of Bengal..or the sacking of Delhi..the British did not conquer India for fun sake..it was to create an Empire..
As far as the Muslim conquests of India are concerned...like the time preceding it..it was about gold, women and land...the same way it was before the Muslims..
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He’s a non-Muslim…He can…
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Wow… I missed this.
Without the British, there would have been no unity on the basis of religion. You’d have several scattered and competing hindu and muslim states, probbaly together with a large and powerful Khalistan dominating punjab.
In the age of industrialised war, the kind of arms races that India would have experienced would dwarf what we have today.
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In the hind sight, arguably, British rule created many societal problems, that both nations are still grappling with. The whole VIP culture seems to be a huge byproduct of British rule, where gora bureaucrats created distance between themselves and the common masses. Creating large land-owners with obscene amounts of money and political influence is also part of British rule to sustain loyalty from locals. This is a bane of Pak society todate and shows no signs of remission.
And since this is a classical historical what-if hypothetical, so its possible to argue that had British never occupied the sub-continent, we may have ended up with some of these same problems, either way.
From a devlopment stand point, British rule was fantastic. The entire rail infrastructure, roads to far off places in the North and complex lake system (in Punjab etc) are mostly the results of British management skills.
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It could have been developed without the British too. Japan began modernising well after Britain controlled India, and Japan did it without British “management skills” and Japan today has one of the best rail systems in the world.
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Its all hypothetical, ofcourse, but to compare skills of Japanese with natives of Indian subcontinent seems quite unfair.
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I say Eff the Brits already. What is this fascination with Bristish Raj, all they did was divide neigbors(msulims against hindus), spread hatred, took away the precious jewls...mofos, no everyone would have been better off with out the evil white man setting foot on the subcontinent.
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Indians were more skilled in 1750 than the Japanese were.
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Really? That may well be. All the evidence I see shows a focus on building mausoleums for dead wives etc.
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To put things in perspective the Indian economy represented a quarter of the World economy in 1700..by the end of the Raj it was barely 1/10 of that..lets not forget there was a very stron sense of Indian identity in the areas between Punjab to the West and Most of the Begnali dominated areas to the East..that is reflected by how Hindus and Muslims united under the Mughal banner.
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I agree with Faisal that had British not ruled Hindustan for the time they did, we would have been much more backward, only Elite class would've been going to schools/colleges/universities and the masses would've been farmers, servants of the elite sarkaar. The infrastructure wouldn't have been in place, we'd be travelling on cow-cars.
If we are talking about india after mugal decline. Muslims were leaving a vaccum and someone had to fill it. If not for the british, certianly the hindus would have done that. They had the majority in india and the muslims were on decline. Who else? Maybe there may be some small pockets of "states" like hyderabad etc. but on the whole the hindus would have taken over whole india.
The british raj gave us breathing space. Sir syed and iqbal and qaid got time to organize muslims and work for their educational trainning etc. under the british raj. So within a 100 years muslims were able to establish a state of their own. If we had not got this space, our future would have been diffeent.
We should not ignore this.
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I think the British left the sub-continent too soon. They should have stayed and ruled sub-continent atleast until the early 1960s
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you still have not answered my question.
I think the british raj was a good outcome for the muslim interests at that crucial time in history. **the only mistake made by the british was that they didn't partition sub-continent into atleast a dozen countries based on a linguistic basis.
**As for your snide remarks about Pakistan's alliance with USA. People like Lajawab are jahil mullahs who don't care about Pakistan's strategic interests.
So you mean no Pakistan then?
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Ironically many Muslim "sects" and off-shoots started in the British period - and to this day they have never united.
The British also left behind an elite in the Indian Subcontinent who to this day are ashamedto be themselves ad aspire to be White and Western. This elite is trained and educated by the West. The elite in the subcontinent is very loyal to the British - this ca be seen by how our polticiians, army officers, landlord, "khandani" families behave.
On the other hand the British did develop the subcontinent on modern terms and to this day some of our best roads in Pakistan are probably British built.
The British were far more just than the brown-skinned elite who took over in 1947.
If I had known Pakistan would be such a mess and so badly ruled since 1947 I would have never supported independence.
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This thread is from 2005 people.
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