** GHAZI...you are avoiding my questions..I know you read them..We are waiting for your answer.
Is the issue here that you DONT have an answer, that you KNOW that you CAN NOT justify your behavior.
..whether you cry that it was provoked, or whether it is a trend since you joined this site, there is no logical way to explain or justify your behavior...
Lets hear it, quit dodging the issue, respond or forfeit your claim that somehow you were correct **
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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
Dear Adbulmalik, you and I think on pretty much the same wavelength. But in this case, I am in total disagreement with you. even if we do have an Islamic government (i.e., Shariah style) in Pakistan, Islamic-Nazis will not be lecturing others how to be a Muslim. They will first need to resolve differences among themselves, which, as we all know, will never happen.
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NYNAZIAHmadi:
This will happen, you can keep dreaming otherwise. But remember that some dreams are meant to be shattered.
The fights between few ignorants does not represent Islaam. Quran is divine. No one's rhetorice can take precendent over that among Ummah. What you see is a result of ignorance caused bu your masters the colonists British. It will not stay forever.
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
X Factor:
What your faith is? I suspect you are the a$$hole Roman using other pseudo. Without knowing your faith I can't answer you. I'll also ignore your posts. So if you want an answer, reveal your faith.
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
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Originally posted by Ghazi:
**X Factor:
What your faith is? I suspect you are the a$$hole Roman using other pseudo. Without knowing your faith I can't answer you. I'll also ignore your posts. So if you want an answer, reveal your faith.
**
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Alhumdulillah I am a sunni muslim.
I am waiting for the answers.
Let me give you a little bit of advise, It would not make you less of a man to admit that your attitude and behavior has been wrong.
Ghazi, I noted that you went and started another thread full of your lameness.
I am still waiting for an answer.
Ghazi I note that you have posted other threads as well. Yet fail to account for your actions and words here.
I know the answer, I want to see if you have the courage to admit it.
So not only will Ghazi not admit his errors and wrongdoings, but his usual compadres will not say anything about it either.
anyway folks, Ghazi is wrong, he knows it, we all know it.
So I am not going to wait for an answer. Because the weekend begins and I am away.
Bawhawhawhawhaw....bacchay ko darra diya, woh maidaan chorr karr, dum dabba kar, sarr par paer rakh kar, geeder ki tarah bhag gaya.
Matlab geeder ki shamat aati hai toh woh shehar ka rukh karta hai...aur ghazi Xfactor say punga laita hai.
bwahhawwahhawhwahhaw....
Accha Khudda Hafiz.
Roman,
Bravo for your efforts and determination. Keep it up!
X Factor,
Get real...it's so obvious that this Ghazi person doesn't HAVE an answer for you. He tried to dodge with the "I can't answer you until you tell me your faith" approach but then was cornered when you plainly answered.
His next tactic has been to accuse you and Roman of being the same person.....
What do you think he will do next to avoid answering your straight-forward queries?
Roman & X-Factor: I just read through the whole post right now.
I admire both of you SO much for handling this so Maturily & Sensibly. good going Every single point made so much sense.
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Hy Allah
yeh just in 10 hours me out! and this big phadda hoing
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oh, man I missed I really missed
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neway, Roman and X Factor, and NY 
I solute you bro
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I don’t have passion like you guys have, aafreen aap logon par
sadqay jaawan aap kay,
you people have really set a true Islamic example of great temperament for all… good job
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…congrat…
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ayay ga bhaee ayay ga
apna factory ayayga
Roman bhee aagayga
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acha chalo…
NY bhee aa hee gayayga
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chalo bhaee chalo
kaheen to chalo
chalo thandee thar Lassee pee kar aatay hayn
chalo sub chalo
…
abey aaja too bhee aaja bay O Ghazi
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Originally posted by Muzna:
**Roman,
Bravo for your efforts and determination. Keep it up!
X Factor,
Get real...it's so obvious that this Ghazi person doesn't HAVE an answer for you. He tried to dodge with the "I can't answer you until you tell me your faith" approach but then was cornered when you plainly answered.
His next tactic has been to accuse you and Roman of being the same person.....
What do you think he will do next to avoid answering your straight-forward queries?
**
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You are shooting your mouth like vervbal diarrhea. Show me the post where he answered about his faith clearly and precisely, Kafira? By the way I started a thread challenging all to prove me wrong. So why you Kuffar don't have guts to prove me wrong?
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
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Originally posted by Muzna:
**Roman,
Bravo for your efforts and determination. Keep it up!
X Factor,
Get real...it's so obvious that this Ghazi person doesn't HAVE an answer for you. He tried to dodge with the "I can't answer you until you tell me your faith" approach but then was cornered when you plainly answered.
His next tactic has been to accuse you and Roman of being the same person.....
What do you think he will do next to avoid answering your straight-forward queries?
**
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Muzna:
I assume that you are also a phony or so-called Muslim. Here is what "Irregragable" posted that your buddy X Factor has been dodging the answer. Can you refute it?
ORIGINALLY POSTED BY Irrefragable!
BoSS and Muzna:
Explain this? X Factor is dodging it.
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN!
When BB and I came on to GupShup forum our objective was well defined by the references below:
Noble Quran 16:125! Invite (mankind, O Muhammad SAW) to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islâm) with wisdom (i.e. with the Divine Inspiration and the Qur'ân) and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided.
Noble Quran 2:125! "And spend of your wealth in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loves those who do good."
Hadeeth:
"Among acts and good deeds for which a believer is rewarded after death, a piece of knowledge he has taught and diffused, a virtuous son he has brought up, an inherited book of Quran he has left, a mosque or a wayfarer's house he has constructed, a river he has caused to stream or alms he has handed out of his riches while still healthy and alive, so that he benefits there from in afterlife"
Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
What we were against and subject to name calling, making mockery of our posts and prejudicial judgement, not to mention insults.
Well, a believer is not an ignorant person. He/she knows his/her limits. After being provoked we learned that we must take action. An action, which is duly, justified according to Noble Quran. So our reaction was and has been exactly in the light of:
Noble Quran 16:126! And if you punish (your enemy, O you believers in the Oneness of Allâh), then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, verily, it is better for As-Sâbirin (the patient ones, etc.)].
ISLAM PERMITS A BELIEVER TO RETALIATE. BELOW ARE THE REFERENCES FROM NOBLE QURAN:
Noble Quran 42:39-40-41-42! And those who, when an oppressive wrong is done to them, they take revenge. 40. The recompense for an evil is an evil like thereof, but whoever forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allâh. Verily, He likes not the Zâlimûn (oppressors, polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.).41. And indeed whosoever takes revenge after he has suffered wrong, for such there is no way (of blame) against them.42. The way (of blame) is only against those who oppress men and wrongly rebel in the earth, for such there will be a painful torment.
Now let us take a look to the verse after this:
Noble Quran 42:43! And verily, whosoever shows patience and forgives that would truly be from the things recommended by Allâh.
WE CAN SEE CLEARLY THAT A BELIEVER IS NOT COMMANDED TO FOLLOW VERSE 42:43, IT IS AN OPTION. THE KEY VERSES ARE 42:40-41-42.
Now I challenge to all so-called ignorant Muslims to prove us wrong despite what all of us or any of us said. We are in total compliance of Islamic Sharia. We understand it better than you and we practice it better than you do. You all provoked us. If we have to do it again, we will do the same. We don’t ask for mercy and we don’t give one.
X Factor:
Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand. You with your cartel are nothing but another supplier of cheap talk. The questions you asked to Ghazi do not define the situation. You were in general area of Islaam. If you have understanding of Quran you will know better. That is why there is NO clergy in Islaam and there is no evangelism in Islaam. A believer is required to have knowledge of Quran and he/she is required to practice it. In case you don’t know according to Islaam a Muslim is not required to follow all or any of the four school of thoughts in Islamic Jurisprudence. Your profound ignorance to Islaam is amazing to me. I have an open challenge debate with us. The plain fact is that we have simply out smarted you all. You all feel intimidated and feel that you are no more in spotlight. Well, this is your inner insecurity. You know why? BECAUSE YOU ARE IGNORANT.
Irrefragable
Islaam Is The ONLY Solution! ***And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers]. Noble Quran 3:85
One Thousand Four Hundred Twenty One Years?!
"It will matter little if you do not help the Prophet, for Allah surely helped him when the unbelievers drove him out of his home and he was but one of the two when they were in the cave, and when he said to his companion: 'Do not grieve. Allah is with us..' Then Allah caused His tranquility to descend upon him, and supported him with hosts you did not see; and He humbled the word of the unbelievers. And Allah's word is inherently uppermost. Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise." 9:40
He was chased out of town. He was marked for assasination. His enemies were many. His friends were few. His enemies trusted him as much as his friends. He did not own much. He loved everyone. He did not despise anyone. His mission shall continue . to establish Adl (Justice) and Amn (Peace) for everyone, no matter how much or how long it may take.
We date ourselves from the night Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) began his journey from Makkah to Madinah, one thousand four hundred and twenty one years ago. This journey is a history in itself and in it is a message for mankind of historical proportions. Incumbent it is upon humankind to pursue the establishment of Justice and Peace, he said.
Physical migration and perseverance is an important milestone on the road to establish Justice and Peace. Intellectual migration from the subjugated minds to an awakened spirit is equally important. Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was commanded and led to continue the struggle of establishing Justice and Peace. It is inspiring indeed to see the clarity and purpose of his mission inspite of life threatening challenges for himself and his handful friends.
The message of One God is timeless and universal started by Prophet Adam and continued by Ibrahim, Jesus and Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon all of them). Need of the day is to renew the same call that was made 1421 years ago.
The human society deserves to marvel its scientific achievements but cannot afford to admit its weaknesses. Moral degradation, selective justice, purposeless life, meaningless pursuits are coveted principles of modern society. In the Hijrah of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), we learn of an amazing blend of pursuing futurustic goals to establish Peace and Justice in the most adverse environment. His mission was flexible to accommodate everyone but never lost its purpose.
Followers of his mission must examine the much too flexible approaches and compromising attitudes being adapted today. The timeless and universal call of One God must continue to be made but not by compromises. Hijrah of minds and thinking is the need of the day.
O Allah (swt) bless us with clarity in our purpose and strength to pursue the mission Prophet Muhammad launched 1421 years ago. O Allah, empower us to actively participate in the struggle to give man, the peace and justice he is denying for himself for much too long. O Allah, help us not find ourselves wavering and compromising for small successes at the expense of eternal success. Ameen Ya Rabb.
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
Oh. God, I am so fed up of unreadable 20 km long posts, filthy language, etc. I don't think I will waste my time on this site unless these screwed up guys give the others some room for breathing. It's him or me.
In this world sometimes and on GupShup often one may run into AN IGNORANT AND STUPID MUSLIM. How to sopt them and how to handle them.
Rules to remember:
1) Remember, an ignorant and stupid Muslim/Muslima is a born stupid and refused to change. So don't try to change that moron.
2) Change your tone and style and give him/her a reality check with facts.
3) An ignorant and stupid Muslim/Muslima have no clue about Islaam and Noble Quran. When they talks only BRAIN FART comes out of their mouth.
4) An ignorant and stupid Muslim/Muslima will not prove anything nor they will present any fact. Because they are too stupid.
5) Ignorant and stupid Muslims tend to hang together. GupShup forum is the best thriving place for them.
6) Ignorant and stupid Muslims' brains have been totally washed by the ideological attacks of Kuffar. So don't expect any Islamic acts and deeds from them.
Ignorant and stupid Muslims are perfect example of:
THE HOUSE IS DARK (NO LIGHT) , BUT PARENTS GAVE THE NAME TO THEIR SON "CHIRAG DEEN."
So we can safely conclude that we have all "Chirag Deens here with dark homes on GupShup.. :) :) :) :) :)
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
ORIGINALLY POSTED BY "Irrefragable"!
TO ALL:
WE THREE (Ghazi, BB and I) have been persecuted by all of you with your prejudices. There has been talk that BB and I must condemn Ghazi (a good human being and learned brother). There are couple of so-called and self-claimed Muslims who have a general idea, but NO knowledge of Islaam. Who have been telling that Ghazi's conduct is un-Islamic.
There is a very important factor those Muslims failed to understand with their disbeliever allies. That is:
Issues/cases/conflicts/disputes are NOT decided by nature of sentiments, emotions or feelings ; they are decided by nature of evidence.
So far none of you have proved that what Ghazi did wrong and how? How Ghazi's conduct may or may not be un-Islamic? How Ghazi's conduct is in contrast of a Muslim?
Disbelievers are ignorant of Noble Quran and Islaam in almost all cases. But most of the Muslims on this forum from India and Pakistan are not any better than their allies. Because they have memorized few short Surah to perform Salaat. They read (if they do) Quran in Arabic, without having a clue what they are reading. So practicing Quran is out of question.
So to you all my response is that people like Ghazi need to be commended not persecuted. SHAME ON YOU ALL.
Irrefragable
Islaam Is The ONLY Solution! ***And whoever seeks a religion other than Islâm, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers]. Noble Quran 3:85
Ghazi
Facts Are The Authority!
Dear Ghazi
as you have asked several times what my faith is yet have failed to see that in this very thread at 4:08 pm on friday I answered your question :)
answer mine now.
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Originally posted by X Factor:
**Dear Ghazi
as you have asked several times what my faith is yet have failed to see that in this very thread at 4:08 pm on friday I answered your question :)
answer mine now.**
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X Factor:
"Irrefragable" has already answerred your questions. Can you answer to that?
Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"
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Originally posted by X Factor:
**Dear Ghazi
as you have asked several times what my faith is yet have failed to see that in this very thread at 4:08 pm on friday I answered your question :)
answer mine now.**
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X Factor:
You asked the following questions claimg to be Sunni Muslim.
Does it teach to throw vulgarities at people?
BB: Yes, conditions apply. See "Irrefragable's" post and Ghazi's resposts of 4-8-2000 at 9:6 AM and 9:36 AM.
Does it teach to degrade others?
BB: Yes, sonditions apply. read the answer of Q #1.
Does it teach you to demonstrate and not control your temper?
BB: Islam teaches modesty, but does not command to control a believer's temper if he/she is acting when conditions applied situations as answered in Q # 1&2.
Does it teach you to call everyone Kafir?
BB: I am shocked to leanr that you don't know the answer claiming to be a Sunni Muslim. Kafir is in Arabic for a disbeliever. Yes any disbeliever can be called Kafir. Or you show me where a believer is prevented from calling.
Does islam teach people to be egotistical and lacking humility?
Among Ummah NO, against Kuffar depend on situation and condition which may apply.
Does it teach intolerance and hatred?
** Among Ummah NO. Beside that please define the intolerance and hatred? It is a vague and open term.
*Please see Noble Quran Verses 16:126, 42:39-40-41-42. *
Now X Factor I would like you to refute me. I challenge you to debate with me. You have been shooting your mouth for long.
Bubble Buster
"You mess with the BEST
You LOSE like the REST!"