Very Interesting...Taleban drugs control 'effective'

I just came across this article.

Taleban drugs control ‘effective’

The Taleban’s fight against opium production in Afghanistan was the “most effective” drug control policy of modern times, research suggests.
During the 1990s, Afghanistan was the main source of the world’s illicit heroin supply.

But a UK study has found a Taleban crackdown on drugs led to global heroin production falling by two-thirds in 2001.

However, it notes that such draconian methods could not be used elsewhere.

Most Afghan heroin production was smuggled illegally to the West and to neighbouring Pakistan and Iran.
But from July 2000 until its downfall over a year later, the Taleban regime enforced a ban on cultivating opium poppy - from which heroin is manufactured.

The new report, written by criminologist Professor Graham Farrell from Loughborough University, has not yet been published, but the BBC has seen its findings.

Professor Farrell said the Taleban’s methods were successful because of the manner in which the fight was implemented at a grassroots level.

“It was a set of fairly simple techniques - the threat of eradication and the punishment of transgressors with fairly harsh punishments,” he told the BBC’s World Today programme.

“What was particularly interesting was the manner in which it was implemented at the local level.”

Production up again

Local community groups and religious leaders were made to implement the Taleban’s policies and could be punished themselves if anyone was found cultivating opium poppies in their area, he said.

Farmers who refused to comply with the policies had their faces blackened and were jailed.

In extreme cases they were paraded through the streets.

The study said the result was that poppy growing in Taleban-controlled areas almost ceased and that globally, the heroin supply fell by 65%.

But since the Taleban was deposed, poppy cultivation has increased sharply.

Mr Farrell said the success of the strategy raised important questions about drug policy and policing.
But he said it would not be desirable nor possible to take such draconian measures elsewhere.

Isn’t it interesting how the simplest methods work out? And who would’ve thought Taleban were capable of such remarkable progress!

Any comments? :slight_smile:

among the good things that taleban did were controlling the drug problem, and the general lawlessness.

definetly the crime has gone up and drugs production is now at an all time high with the current Amerikkan Regime in afghanistan with the Warlords like dostum and crew making there drug money once again.

Drugs Production Boom in Afghanistan!

taleban where ultimatly effective in reducing drugs problem.

well now that confuses me... two B's claim that Talibans were supporting Al-Qaeda with the drug money... either that was correct or this report!!

Here’s a link to this topic already discussed in 2001. The second is a link to a study carried out by FAO.

http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54572&highlight=opium
http://www.fao.org/WAICENT/faoinfo/...01/SRAFG601.htm

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well now that confuses me... two B's claim that Talibans were supporting Al-Qaeda with the drug money... either that was correct or this report!!
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They also said Iraq had WMDs... :)

What my point was, the Taliban couldn't have been all that bad. I think the media exagarrated too much about them anyway.

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*Originally posted by Hum Sa Ho To Samne Aaye: *
What my point was, the Taliban couldn't have been all that bad. I think the media exagarrated too much about them anyway.
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I think that would be taking it too far. Yes, they did control the lawlesness and drugs but their track record on other social issues such as Education, Health, Economic well being, Human rights is appalling.

yeah Humsa

what they did right should be recognized, but it does not mean that what they did wrong should be ignored.

Yes, I agree what they did wrong shouldn't be ignored but bombing an entire civilization isn't the proper way of showing them the "light" either :)

You have to admit though, the media exagarrates alot.

Humsa

i am assuming you are using the term "civilization" rather loosely because the type of stuff that was going on could not be considered civilized.

I like you dont agree with the aerial assults and their impact on innocent civilians

but lets discuss issues separately.

The process of rehabilitating the Taliban is proceeding to plan, I see?

BBC News
Tuesday, 18 March, 2003, 17:29 GMT

** Record Afghan poppy crop forecast **

Shahid Malik
BBC correspondent in Lahore

Afghanistan is heading for a record opium poppy crop this summer,
officials in neighbouring Pakistan say.

The forecast, made at a media briefing on Tuesday, echoes the concern
of the UN International Narcotics Control Board.

It says that opium cultivation in Afghanistan - used in heroin and
other drugs -is now as widespread as in the 1990s.

** The brigadier said the projected figure for the current crop was in excess of 4,000 tonnes.

Under the Taleban, the crop had sunk to an all-time low of less than 200 tonnes in 2001. **

Record Afghan poppy crop forecast

What an acheivment for America and it's puppets in Kabul?

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yeah Humsa

what they did right should be recognized, but it does not mean that what they did wrong should be ignored.
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If you don't mind, would you elaborate on "wrong" ones? you can create separate thread if you wish. Thanks :)

ummm

where to start

treatment of women
forcing their version of religion down everyone's throat

lack of a real plan for the afghans, no sane health, education, economic, infrastructure, or trade programs.

thats a start.

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ummm

where to start

treatment of women
forcing their version of religion down everyone's throat

lack of a real plan for the afghans, no sane health, education, economic, infrastructure, or trade programs.

thats a start.
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I hope you are not referring to the "mullah beating women" video shown.

"Forcing their version of religion", thats a new one to me, you mean they pushed Shias to become Sunni or something similar?

Other than these two, I don't know how any government will be able to survive after 15 years of continuous war and then sanctions from all over the world, including not recognizing the country.

Forcing their version of religion, err forcing men to grow beards, to wear certain types of clothing, forcing women to wear certain types of clothings, the whole deal with th eministry of vice and virtue

Are you suggesting that Taleban government was a kind copassionate government working hard for the betterment of its citizens? and had some concrete implementable plans reagrding the social, healthcare, economic, infrastructure aspects?

.. sadly the acheivemets of their ministery of science and technology, or industry and commerce are basically a zero.

And no, I do not base my assessment based on what I see on TV.

The excesses of teh Taleban regime are well known.

Does ANY government in afghanistan face many challenges? agreed..
not being recognized added to their problems? indeed

however..

You do not solve the problems of your country by oppressing the people and treating them worse than cattle.

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Forcing their version of religion, err forcing men to grow beards, to wear certain types of clothing, forcing women to wear certain types of clothings, the whole deal with th eministry of vice and virtue
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Okay, now I get the idea what you mean by forcing.

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Are you suggesting that Taleban government was a kind copassionate government working hard for the betterment of its citizens?** and had some concrete implementable plans reagrding the social, healthcare, economic, infrastructure aspects?**
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Not bold part: No, I wanted to make sure that your assessment was not based on media hearsay, and you pointed that out that it wasn't. :)

Bold part: That could only be known if countries were eager to guide them, provide economic and technological support, but none of it happened, and actually almost whole world stood against the regime (except for Pak and KSA, due to some 'interest' reasons).

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.. sadly the acheivemets of their ministery of science and technology, or industry and commerce are basically a zero.
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-do-
plus, putting country on path to peace is the first thing you want to do, which they did, but thats all they could without outside help. Pakistan doesn't have enough money and food and technology to guide Afghanistan to "the road of tech-world".

The only reason, any "development" (if there is any) you see NOW, is due to 'outside' help. Afghanistan is still unable to do anything on its own, its long long drive for them to be able to do that.