Valentines day? - History and Islamic Perspective

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You really have no idea what Islam is, do you?

Often people confuse the Tawaf with "pagan worship". That is not true. Muslims do not worship the rock, Kaaba is a direction. A direction to pray to. That's all there is to it. There are no offerings made to it like there were in the early days of pagan arabia.

The Kaaba was built by Abraham and Ishmael on the command of Allah so that people may worship in the direction from all over the world. If it was paganism, then every muslim would have a mini Kaaba in their households and worship it like Pagans of today do. It was the Pagans that took hold of Kaaba and filled it with idols. The first thing Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did was break those idols because they are not worthy of being in such a holy place. So No! Muslims don't "worship" kaaba. We simple face it as a direction, or do tawaf around it as a direction, not an object of worship.

Islam removed the thick curtains of ignorance of the previous times and show people the right way, the ONLY way to a better living. Islam single handedly enforced (historically speaking, reinforced because there were prophets before whose message was ignored), the act of Charity, the worship One and Only worthy of worship ALLAH and not idols or made-made statues that can do no good to anyone.

Let me at this point, relate to you a story of Prophet Abraham (May Allah be pleased with him). His parents were pagans and they would not change their ways. One day he broke all the idols and hung the axe on the shoulder of the biggest idol of them all. When questioned, he told them to question the big idol, he has the axe on his shoulder, he must have done it to them. He's mighty.

Their answer was 'How can it do anything, it cannot even speak or move, how can it do anything'.....the silence that followed this answer was the realization of their ignorance because they'd just answered their own wrong.

Now moving on, if you really want to question the way of Islam, how about you study it. Read Quran. If you want, i can get you one online, with translation in English for your understanding.

Okay? Now...please don't defame Islam or any other religion because when you assume you make an....well u know how that goes.

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Yes, I do. I have read the Quran - twice. I myself find that many practices of Islam today defames the religion and what Allah laid out in the Quran - so do a little introspection and study yourself instead of relying on what others have interpreted before lecturing me.

BTW, I didn't say it was worship, I said it has it roots in paganism.

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The rituals were specifically to idols and superstitious thinking of ignorance of the people who would come to Mecca and were conned by Quraish of the time into thinking the more they devote to a certain "god" the bigger their reward in life will be. To make offerings to an idol and expect that it will somehow benefit you, is Paganism.

Now circling of the Kaaba, it is not to worship the Kaaba. Kaaba is a direction for all muslims to pray towards. If this wasn't the case everyone would have a mini kaaba in their Majid and homes that they circle around and perform as a pagan ritual. The rock is a mere resemblence of the place that marks the spot (in the form of direction to pray).

I agree that to love your spouse or significant other is not wrong. Infact, it is encouraged that a man and wife should love each other. To show affection in the forms of gift is one way. But isn't the Valentine's day celebrated and targeted towards unmarried people mostly?

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How is praying 5 times a day, Ramadhan sighting and such, having roots in paganism?.....

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^ Because they were practices of pre-Islamic Arab society.

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Because sun's shadow was a way to tell the time back then? Just as moon sighting maybe a way to mark different times of the year...
The night travelers used stars to know where they came from and where they were going as well....as a sort of a map for nighttravel...

First prayer before the sunrise, 2nd just before sun reached peak, 3rd when it started to set, 4th when it set, and 5th before going to sleep.

How about the people of places where the sun doesn't even come out for 6 months out of the year?

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Valentine's day as celebrated in non-muslim countries targets any couple - including non-married ones. However, Valentine's Day in places like Pakistan and by Pakistanis abroad is now being celebrated by married couples. If an unmarried muslim couple is celebrating it with gifts and kisses, isn't it already too late to be criticizing them? Clearly, your criticism then should be directed at them even having a relationship in the first place, and the nature of that relationship. Why ask people not to celebrate Valentine's Day? That wont stop unmarried people from hooking up.

If its a married couple, I don't see why they can't celebrate it, as God has clearly stated in the Quran that how they show love to one another and in what pattern is up to a couple and no one else's business.

FYI, in my immediate family, the married couples do celebrate valentine's day. My parents are old as geezers and my dad still brings her roses and chocolates every Valentine's Day. What makes anyone think that they have a right to discourage anyone from that? What goes on in someone's home is their business and no one else's.

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Surely you know that is not the archetypical point of view. If you are not practicing accepted religious norms you are going to be somewhat of an outcast.

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so according to the majority of "oh I'm so bright posters" in this thread.......it would be ok for a muslim to celebrate christmas as well! Afterall v-day does stem from a catholic holiday. does it not?

interesting!!

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may i ask in what language? (e.g. english, arabic, etc)

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Salam,

I dont care who celebrates it, celebrate it all you want, the choice in the end is yours. The point is, dont** justify it** as islamic, or part of Islam.

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No one is justifying it as part of Islam. But people are certainly justifying it as haraam or close to it, which is very wrong. There is no prohibition ag/the holiday in Islam, and there's no need to go around discouraging people from doing things when there is no prohibition in Islam for designating a day in the calendar to celebrate love.

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Since when is butting into how people celebrate their love lives a religious norm??

As for Christmas, you don't need to celebrate that as its celebrated as a religious holiday by Christians.

But don't tell me you don't put on your sweater and go out to the malls to take advantage of holiday sales and don't tell me you've never drank hot cocoa in the cold weather in the states or ordered one of the specialty Christmas drinks from the Starbucks menu before heading off to class or that you took your winter holidays and took some rest. As a muslim, there is nothing wrong with celebrating the HOLIDAY season, which is quite different from celebrating Christmas. (applies to US guppies; I don't know how winter is celebrated in other countries, but I am sure there are festivities as it brings in the new year).

You know, marketing gurus have made the holiday season espcially warm for you folks who are anti-Christmas. You can wish people with "happy holidays" instead of "merry christmas". And you can actually buy Winter gifts for family and friends, as gift-giving sure isn't haraam. And you can certainly celebrate the cold weather and the turning of the new year. And smile, be merry. It wont kill you to wish someone a "happy holidays". :)

Or instead you can be a scrooge and just scowl at everyone as they try to enjoy some secular holidays that are nothing more than an excuse to get time away from work and enjoy life in a very halaal way.

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And if it was, would you believe it? :)

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and the cycle continues…

There are a few people who post stuff about islam from whatever perspective and there are a few others who have an obligation to take an opposite view and then its a constant tug of war until there is a new thread opened :hehe:

enjoy brothers and sisters in and out of islam… lol

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This is not enjoyment. this is a duty and the way to go.

Surah Al-A'raf. Aayah 164, Translation: "And when a community among them said: "Why do you preach to people whom ALLAH is about to destroy or to punish with a severe torment?" (The preachers) said: "In order to be free from guilt before your Lord (ALLAH), and perhaps they may fear ALLAH."

ALLAH hum sab kay haal par reham farmae.

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About Muslims, Illam Iqbal has said:

Khud ko badltay nahi, quraan ko badl daytay haiN...

thats exaclty happening in todays world, ths issue is not only about Valentine, it is normal practice now a days, So-called Muslims, in their efforts to differ themselves or sometime to get fame only.

The two festivals muslims have are two eids, other than that, Islam have promoted every thing which is within the limits of Islam(the real one, not ours, which changes with the mood-swing). The activities Islam promotes are normally to generate unity and benefit soceity in both short and long run.

The festivals like Valentines, Basant and others may look like fun but in long run they have more evils than anyother thing, not only Islam, infact any religion or movement working/aiming on the benefit of the society will condemn/resist to such kind of activities.

Being as a muslim, the responsibility to make this world a better place to live increases, so muslims if cannot stop/condemn these kind of acts/festivals then atleast they can do is separte them selves from these...

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There are lots of things Muslims can be doing to make this world a better place. A very long list indeed. Condemnin/stopping a holiday that celebrates love has got to rank down in the hundreds of millions or billions on that list.

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JazakAllah brother Crescent for sharing the info.

As regards the Islamic stance on this festival, Dr. Su`ad Ibrahim Salih, professor of Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh) at Al-Azhar University, states the following:

Indeed, Islam is the religion of altruism, true love, and cooperation on that which is good and righteous. We implore Allah Almighty to gather us together under the umbrella of His All-encompassing Mercy, and to unite us together as one man. Allah Almighty says: The believers are naught else than brothers. Therefore make peace between your brethren and observe your duty to Allah that haply ye may obtain mercy.(Al-Hujurat 49: 10)

Focusing more on the question in point, I can say that there are forms of expressing love that are religiously acceptable, while there are others that are not religiously acceptable. Among the forms of love that are religiously acceptable are those that include the love for Prophets and Messengers. It stands to reason that the love for Allah, and His Messenger Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) should have the top priority over all other forms of love.

Islam does recognize happy occasions that bring people closer to one another, and add spice to their lives. However, Islam goes against blindly imitating the West regarding a special occasion such as Valentine’s Day. Hence, commemorating that special day known as the Valentine’s Day is an innovation or bid`ah that has no religious backing. Every innovation of that kind is rejected, as far as Islam is concerned. Islam requires all Muslims to love one another all over the whole year, and reducing the whole year to a single day is totally rejected.

Hence, we Muslims ought not to follow in the footsteps of such innovations and superstitions that are common in what is known as the Valentine’s Day. No doubt that there are many irreligious practices that occur on that day, and those practices are capable of dissuading people from the true meanings of love and altruism to the extent that the celebration is reduced to a moral decline.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503544946&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar%2FFatwaE%2FFatwaEAskTheScholar

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Likewise there are a lot a lot of things that non-Muslims can do to make this world a better place.