US turning to Vietnam exit strategy in Iraq / CIA warns of defeat (Merged)

Looks like shock and awe in the White House.

Published on Thursday, November 13, 2003 by the Inter Press Service
The Bush Administration’s Palpable Sense of Panic
by Jim Lobe
Edited - with link: http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=21068

WASHINGTON - While maintaining a brave face on the accelerating stream of bad news coming out of Baghdad, the administration of President George W. Bush appears increasingly at a loss, not to say panicked, about what to do.
This week’s abrupt and unscheduled return here by L. Paul Bremer, Washington’s proconsul in Baghdad, for top-level White House consultations, as well as the partial leak of a pessimistic Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) report on public attitudes in Iraq, pushed the administration off balance.

For every mujahadeen killed or hauled off by Soviet troops in Afghanistan, a revenge group of perhaps half a dozen members of his family took up arms. Sadly, this same rule probably applies in Iraq.

The news that at least 15 Italian paramilitary and army troops, as well as 10 others, were killed in a suicide attack on the carabinieri headquarters in the hitherto relatively peaceful southern city of Nasariyeh on Wednesday seemed only to underline the sense here that resistance to the U.S.-led occupation in Iraq is both growing and beyond control.

‘‘It is a tough situation,’’ Bremer, who heads the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), told reporters after emerging from the White House on Wednesday morning.

‘‘I have said repeatedly in my discussions, both private and public, for six months that I am completely confident and optimistic about the outcome in Iraq, but we will face some difficult days, like today when we had the attack on the Italian soldiers in the south.’’

Asked about the CIA report that found growing popular disillusionment with the U.S. occupation, Bremer was unusually uncertain. ‘‘I think the situation with the Iraqi public is, frankly, not easy to quantify.’’

The CIA report, whose existence was disclosed by the ‘Philadelphia Inquirer’, concluded that growing numbers of Iraqis believe that the occupation can be defeated and are supporting the insurgents.

The report, written by the CIA’s station chief in Baghdad, was formally presented to top officials Monday, but word of its conclusions was also selectively leaked to various reporters, apparently, said the newspaper, to ‘‘make sure the assessment reaches Bush’’.

The Inquirer’s source indicated frustration with Iraq hawks, including Vice President Dick Cheney and the Pentagon’s civilian leadership, whose optimistic assessments of the situation had crowded out more somber analyses in White House discussions.

According to the newspaper, the report argued that public skepticism of U.S. intentions in Iraq remained very high – an assessment corroborated by recent Gallup polls in Baghdad – and that the Iraqi Governing Council (IGC), which was hand-picked by the CPA, has virtually no popular support.

It also warned that friction between occupation authorities and the Shia Muslim community, both in Baghdad and in the southern part of the country, was growing and could lead to open hostilities, a contingency that has been Washington’s worst nightmare since last March’s invasion.

Shiites account for at least 60 percent of Iraq’s total population, more than twice as much as the Sunnis in central Iraq, the area that U.S. officials have described as the main focus of Ba’ath Party ‘‘terrorists’’ who presumably remain loyal to ousted President Saddam Hussein.

The CIA report was obviously written before Wednesday’s suicide attack on the carabinieri in predominantly Shiite Nasariyeh as well as an incident Sunday in which a U.S. soldier shot and killed the U.S.-appointed mayor of the overwhelmingly Shiite district of Baghdad, Sadr City, after a scuffle whose circumstances are being investigated by occupation authorities.

Administration officials have publicly described Bremer’s two-day dash to Washington as routine, but circumstances belied that explanation.

In coming here, Bremer was forced to cancel a long-planned meeting in Baghdad with visiting Polish Prime Minister Leszek Miller. Despite public opposition, Miller’s government has supplied more troops to the occupation than any other country, except the United States and Britain, and last week lost an officer to hostile fire in Iraq.

‘‘Standing up Miller of all people is not conducive to getting other countries to send troops,’’ noted one Congressional aide.

Bremer met both Tuesday and Wednesday morning with top national-security officials, including Bush and Cheney. The main points on the agenda included both how to respond to the increased frequency and lethality of the attacks and whether and how to accelerate a political transition to an Iraqi government.

On the military front, the average daily number of attacks on occupation forces now exceeds 30 – more than twice as many as three months ago – with more than 40 U.S. soldiers killed in just the past two weeks, according to the U.S. commander in the field, Gen Ricardo Sanchez.

In a lengthy meeting with reporters in Baghdad on Tuesday, Sanchez insisted the attacks were mainly the work of Ba’ath loyalists and foreign Islamist fighters but also admitted that Washington still lacks good intelligence on both groups.

Sanchez also suggested for the first time that resistance forces are now operating at least at the regional level and possibly with some national co-ordination with respect to tactics and targets. Until now, the occupation has depicted the opposition as small groups acting only at the local level.

It appears that the U.S. military has decided to respond to the increased level of resistance with much more aggressive, ‘‘shock-and-awe’’ tactics, a decision that was previewed last weekend with the unprecedented bombing by U.S. warplanes of suspected guerrilla arms caches and hideouts near Tikrit.

The military announced that some two dozen explosions heard in Baghdad on Wednesday night were U.S. forces carrying out attacks on a suspected guerrilla site.

The decision to prosecute a more aggressive counter-insurgency campaign carries serious risks, a point stressed in the CIA report.

As Milt Bearden, who oversaw U.S. support for the Afghan resistance in the 1980s, wrote in the ‘New York Times’ this weekend: ‘‘For every mujahadeen killed or hauled off by Soviet troops in Afghanistan, a revenge group of perhaps half a dozen members of his family took up arms. Sadly, this same rule probably applies in Iraq.’’

The political front looks equally risky. While the administration wants to accelerate the process to put an ‘‘Iraqi face’’ on the government, Bremer appears to have lost confidence in the 24 members of the IGC, including Pentagon favorite Ahmed Chalabi.

The IGC, which has until Dec. 15 to submit to the United Nations Security Council a plan to draft a new constitution, has so far failed to tackle the issue seriously, and the administration is worried that any delay will derail its own timetable, including plans to have an elected government in place before the November, 2004 U.S. presidential elections.

As a result, the White House is considering abandoning its previous plans and moving instead to create a provisional government similar to the one installed by coalition forces in Afghanistan after the Taliban’s ouster, which could oversee the drafting of a constitution. One problem is that it has no obvious candidate to head such a government, as it did in Hamid Karzai in Afghanistan.

Or the administration could go along with the position of the Shia authorities in Najaf, who have called for elections to a constitutional convention. But that too could create new problems or further alienate the Sunni population due to the fact that Shiites would almost certainly dominate such a process.

Copyright © 2003 IPS-Inter Press Service

It took two years for US deaths to reach 324 in Vietnam. It passed that figure in seven months in Iraq

http://argument.independent.co.uk/commentators/story.jsp?story=463172

Body Bag!!!

According to CNN/USA Today/Gallup Polls, in April -- when the war was supposedly winding down -- 76 percent of the public approved of President Bush’s handling of the war while only 21 percent disapproved. That 76 percent approval rating has now plunged to 45 percent, according to a recent CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll, and the disapproval has risen from 21 percent to 54 percent.

Whereas, Bush and Homies are going around the country and still talking bout "terrorists" and explaining the whole reasoning behind the War all over again. I dont think American public wants to hear that, they would rather be explained why the Americans soldiers are dying their daily. The media in US also hasnt been painting this picture well. It remains out of touch with how Americans are feeling. The coverage is rigged and media doesnt want to antagoznize Bush administration.

Anericans have not forgtton Veitnam. Thats for sure.

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According to CNN/USA Today/Gallup Polls, in April -- when the war was supposedly winding down -- 76 percent of the public approved of President Bush’s handling of the war while only 21 percent disapproved. **That 76 percent approval rating has now plunged to 45 percent, according to a recent CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll, and the disapproval has risen from 21 percent to 54 percent. *

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That is very significant, and that is why second choice President Bush may well meet the fate of his father, and be turfed out at the next election. I have also noticed how the American networks are entertaining the very idea's France :) put forward months ago, of a rapid transfer of power to the Iraqi's, but unlike the French the American's want some stooge to be the interim leader, and may rig elections to ensure the 'correct' result. Now that is exactly what they did in South Vietnam in the early 1960's as well.

This from the BBC, dated today:

i hope those who endorsed this invasion, are happy with creating the conditions for a possible civil war in Iraq. Apologists for Dubby and the neo-cons should be satisfied now, i hope.

The BBC is also referring to the popular Iraqi uprising as a 'resistance' movement and not some insurgent rebel force.

Good show, the crust is being wiped from the eye lids world wide. Take note wishy washy guppies!

There 130,000 troops in Iraq. There were 17,000 troops in Vietnam then. You do the math which is worse. What a misleading article.

Well there used to be 130 000, now 120 000 and counting...

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Well there used to be 130 000, now 120 000 and counting...
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You do know they rotate new people in right?

Yeah when they can get them to show up :hehe:

I hope they get the draft going again yaar, I wanna see you on tv :hehe:

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Oh the US is getting really desperate… :hehe:

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How many American soldiers must die...

...before the American government decides to pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan? Any rough estimate will do...

The way it's going, Vietnam comes to mind where almost 60,000 American troops lost their lives...Is America willing to sacrifice that many once again?

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There 130,000 troops in Iraq. There were 17,000 troops in Vietnam then. You do the math which is worse. What a misleading article.
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There were never 17000 GI Joes in vietnam at any given time. You are talking about 16,000 to 17,000 advisors who were always behind S. Vietnamise army. They never saw the combat nor they had any front line duties. US declared war on Vietnam after alleged torpedo attack on its war ships. Johnson commited 185,000 American troops in the first phase and swelled to 550,000 at its peak. The bottom line is they had their ass kicked and history is repeating itself in Afghanistan and Iraq.