Skhan, this time it is loud and clear… and is narcissism and self-importance part of your MO? Yes, it is. so keep living a dream.
CIA has woken up, question is when will you?
Report: CIA Paints Pessimistic Iraq Picture
http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=World&cat=Iraq
The "Great Satan" theories are pretty easy to see.
The regurgitation of slavery, Nagasaki, crime rates, American Indians, all serve to create one conclusion in the minds of Muslims. America is bad.
And, America supports Israel.
Ergo, they are the "Great Satan", and are responsible for the pathetic state of most Muslims in the world.
So, if we fight them, and bloody the nose of the Great Satan, things will get better. And if we can just reassemble the Killafah, all problems will be better. Inshallah.
The logical leaps behind this reasoning are extraordinary, but every Muslim seems to believe it.
The restoration of Muslim pride by standing up to the Great Satan will have very little long lasting effect. After the hangover you will realize that the lives of Muslim people are no better, they are probably worse. All that jihad, and no tangible benefit. Oh well.
Yeah, CIA is God. I believe in everything it says. Like how accurately it has depicted threats in the past. I love CIA.
returning to my original question, if it is the result of propaganda and misinformation how is it a war against the religion? how is the problem rooted in the Quran and not what you think are the logical mis-jumps of Muslims because of propaganda etc.
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The "Great Satan" theories are pretty easy to see.
The regurgitation of slavery, Nagasaki, crime rates, American Indians, all serve to create one conclusion in the minds of Muslims. America is bad.
And, America supports Israel.
Ergo, they are the "Great Satan", and are responsible for the pathetic state of most Muslims in the world.
So, if we fight them, and bloody the nose of the Great Satan, things will get better. And if we can just reassemble the Killafah, all problems will be better. Inshallah.
The logical leaps behind this reasoning are extraordinary, but every Muslim seems to believe it.
The restoration of Muslim pride by standing up to the Great Satan will have very little long lasting effect. After the hangover you will realize that the lives of Muslim people are no better, they are probably worse. All that jihad, and no tangible benefit. Oh well.
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Like I said, you're fueling your own fire. No help needed from us there.
All that "war on terrorism", the billions, the thousands of American lives... and no tangible benefit. After YOUR hangover, maybe you'll realize that you are more hated than ever before which bodes worse for your people in the long run.
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^^I am really Karl Rove
Why do you think Bush got reelected? He reflects what alot of people think.
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You believe bush, an you'll believe anything. Theres no hope for them kind.
The premier intelligence agency in the nation has been so grossly incompetent in the past, yet you to cling on to the soothing hypnotic BS spewed out by the Bush Admin. I rest my case.
"how is the problem rooted in the Quran"
I never said that the problem was rooted in the Quran. It is the problem of the people reading the Quran. It is what human beings decide to do with the wisdom of the Quran that is creating the trouble. The relgious zealots who choose passages and interpretations of the Quran to justify evil are the problem. There are many ways to read a Bible, Torah, or Quran.
You are attempting to box me into a corner so that I will condemn the Quran. I have no intention of doing that. There are Muslim human beings, and the way that they have chosen to use the Quran that are my enemies. These enemies are doing evil, and trying to justify it based on the Quran. That is their problem, and yours, not mine. It is their actions that I despise, not the reasons they do things.
no Im not trying to box you into a corner. the author of the article you praised as a perfect summary but not usable officially because of political incorrectness categorically stated that the problem was in the Quran. Either you did not read the article carefully enough or were wrong in your unqualified endorsement of it.
anyway, I'll quit badgering you now that you atleast dont hold that position.
Some dumb People actually still belive that the terrorist amerikkans are in iraq to libertate it:konfused:
200 billion dollars spent, an army which has travelled thousands of miles and all thier intrested in is to libertate Iraqis hmmmmm
No one belives that line for 1 minute ooppps sorry except some warped right wingers and some very sorry brown nosers!
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What would you expect a deserter to say? "Things were fine, I am a wimp?" Probably not. Does this deserter have motivation to make things seem terrible?
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Nice try, but it doesn't work. The statements about routinely killing civilians were made by Staff Sgt (retd) Jimmy Massey, who travelled from the USA to Canada to defend the deserter.
You're talking about someone who completed his military service in Iraq and did not shy from it.
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Nice try, but it doesn't work. The statements about routinely killing civilians were made by Staff Sgt (retd) Jimmy Massey, who travelled from the USA to Canada to defend the deserter.
You're talking about someone who completed his military service in Iraq and did not shy from it.
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self denial is a common problem with right wingers from da states as we can see from there many ridiculous comments!
Well here is a fuller account of soldiers’ stories about Iraq and opposition to it within the ranks. None of the soldiers are pacifists, they are opposing the war because they realise it is illegal and that they were lied to.
"…When Hoffman arrived in Kuwait in February 2003, his unit’s highest-ranking enlisted man laid out the mission in stark terms. “You’re not going to make Iraq safe for democracy,” the sergeant said. “You are going for one reason alone: oil. But you’re still going to go, because you signed a contract. And you’re going to go to bring your friends home.”
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“The reasons for war were wrong,” he says. “They were lies. There were no WMDs. Al Qaeda was not there. And it was evident we couldn’t force democracy on people by force of arms.”
When he returned home and got his honorable discharge in August 2003, Hoffman says, he knew what he had to do next. “After being in Iraq and seeing what this war is, I realized that the only way to support our troops is to demand the withdrawal of all occupying forces in Iraq.” He cofounded a group called Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) and soon found himself emerging as one of the most visible members of a small but growing movement of soldiers who openly oppose the war in Iraq.
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Several of Hoffman’s Marine Corps buddies have now joined Iraq Veterans Against the War, and the stream of phone calls and emails from other soldiers is constant. Not long ago, he says, a soldier home on leave from Iraq told him, “Just keep doing what you’re doing, because you’ve got more support than you can imagine over there.”
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Quiet and unassuming, Hughey grows intense when the conversation turns to Iraq. “I would fight in an act of defense, if my home and family were in danger,” he says. “But Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. They barely had an army left, and Kofi Annan actually said [attacking Iraq was] a violation of the U.N. charter. It’s nothing more than an act of aggression.” As for his duty to his fellow soldiers, he insists, “You can’t go along with a criminal activity just because others are doing it.”
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The GI Rights Hotline, a counseling operation run by a national network of antiwar groups, reports that it now receives between 3,000 and 4,000 calls per month from soldiers seeking a way out of the military.
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But Sanders says he doesn’t actually consider himself a deserter. “I don’t think I did anything wrong by turning down an illegal order,” he says. “I don’t know what it’s called—I think it’s Nuremberg?—that’s what I followed by leaving.”
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Resistance in the military “is in its infancy right now,” says Hoffman, whose cousins, uncle, and grandfather all did their time in uniform. “It’s growing, but it’s going to take a little while.
“There was a progression of thought that happened among soldiers in Vietnam. It started with a mission: Contain communism. That mission fell apart, just like it fell apart now—there are no weapons of mass destruction. Then you are left with just a survival instinct. That, unfortunately, turned to racism. That’s happening now, too. Guys are writing me saying, ‘I don’t know why I’m here, but I hate the Iraqis.’
“Now, you realize that the people to blame for this aren’t the ones you are fighting,” Hoffman continues. “It’s the people who put you in this situation in the first place. You realize you wouldn’t be in this situation if you hadn’t been lied to. Soldiers are slowly coming to that conclusion. Once that becomes widespread, the resentment of the war is going to grow even more.” "