US forces bomb family of eight (MERGED)

If there’s going to be discussion about this, let’s please try to have a CIVIL discussion. Doesn’t matter which ‘side’ you are on, if you refuse to discuss this without resisting the urge to hurl insults at others, then please don’t participate in this thread.

Not really related, but there was a piece in the Guardian few days back that discussed the growth of opium fields under the Northern Alliance. (i can dig the article if anyone wants). When you go in to attack a country, ostensibly for ‘self-defence’ purposes, and you pledge (as both Blair and Bush did) that you will not abandon the country this time around, naive people really expect that you will fulfil those pledges. We’ve all sort of closed our eyes at what’s occurring in Afghanistan. How much genuine authority and influence does Karzai possess beyond his office desk? Especially when you have an incident like the one below, is this going to increase or decrease the level of hatred towards the US and towards the ‘west’ in general ? Are we going to hear an official apology from a senior member of the US admin for this bombing? Or is it just another case of collateral damage? Imagine when a Palestinian suicide bomber blows up eight people, including three children. We call them terrorists, we call them deranged, we call them barbarians, shaking our heads at how inhuman one must be in order to commit such an act. In the eyes of some individuals, there is no difference between that act and the one below except the latter has official endorsement. With the level of intelligence information as it is today, there is no excuse for such an act. Get your facts straight before you blow up someone’s home and family.

US forces bomb Afghan family home, BBC, 6 December 2003

US forces in Afghanistan have admitted bombing a house near the city of Ghazni, in which at least eight people, including three children, were killed.

Afghan sources say that the Americans had intelligence that Taleban fighters were preparing an attack from a house. But when the house was bombed, it was an Afghan family which was killed.

American embassy officials in Kabul confirmed the bombing, but told the BBC the incident was still being investigated.

Afghan Government sources said they believed the incident was a mistake and a statement is expected.

The BBC’s Lyse Doucet said the attack on what seems to have been innocent Afghans is certain to anger the local population.

It was in Ghazni three weeks ago that a UN worker was shot dead in broad daylight in the market. Bystanders attacked the assailants and there was widespread condemnation of the incident, responsibility for which was later claimed by the Taleban.

Although in many areas Afghans welcome the presence of American troops and other foreigners, this is not the case in some southern and eastern parts, our correspondent says.

Here, US troops are still pursuing remaining al-Qaeda and Taleban elements, with accusations flying of heavy-handedness among the Americans.

It's called 'liberation'...Who cares if not a single Iraqi survives as long as they are 'liberated'...There's so much 'liberation' going on, my heart just tinkles with joy...

They are 'liberating' people all right...'Liberating' them from their existence...

*Sighhhhhhh

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Coalition Terrorists Murder 9 Aghan Children

If this isn’t terrorism, I don’t know what is.

United States warplanes attacking a suspected member of the Taliban killed nine children in the southeastern province of Ghazni on Saturday, Afghan and American military officials confirmed Sunday morning. One man was also killed in the attack, they said.

updated…

US military spokesman Major Christopher West said they had acted on information that a suspected terrorist was at a house near the city of Ghazni.

Ground forces later found the body of the intended target along with those of the children nearby, he said.

Major West said the US military regretted the loss of innocent life and would seek to explain the incident.

He said the suspect was thought to be behind the murders of two foreign contractors working on a ring road.

Acting on “extensive intelligence”, he said, an A10 “Warthog” - a heavily armoured plane - was called in and opened fire on the isolated rural site at about 1030 local time (0600 GMT) on Saturday.

The attack was precisely targeted - it hit one house without damaging others in the area.

The US military followed “stringent rules of engagement” to avoid such incidents, Major West added.

A commission had been formed to investigate the scene of the incident, he said.

Tragic incident

Update on the US lies about this terrorist act committed by the American invaders.

Local villagers in Afghanistan have contradicted US reports that the target of an air strike that killed nine children also died in the raid.
The attack was carried out on Saturday in the village of Hutala, in a remote area of southern Ghazni province.

US officials said they were acting on extensive intelligence and had killed a former Taleban militant, Mullah Wazir.

**But local Afghans told the BBC’s Crispin Thurold the intended target had left the village 10 days earlier. **

US child bombing account challenged

Keep your off-topic comments out of this thread. You will not be warned again.

Seven boys and two girls, the oldest aged 12, died when the A-10 warplane sprayed a dusty field with 30mm high-explosive rounds in Hutala village

This is surely a war cime?

malik

correct me if i am wrong, war crimes are idiotic acts that peopel do intentionally. This as horrific as it is, seems like more of a gross incompetence issue.

am i mistaken?

Fruadia,

Negligence can also be criminal.

agree, u can have criminal negligence, and it merits its own punishment, but it still is difference than a planned crime right?

now dont get me wrong here, i think the ppl responsible for such a costly blunder need to be prosecuted, but i dont know if i classify it as a war crime per say. I may be missing the point though.

Fraudiya it is ok. Nadia has posted this and included everything from the poppy production to the paris hilton video as part of her original post, so what is the big deal if we digress a little.

Yes, chota...5 jewish men in Bensonhurst, had a meeting on last ruesday and decided that best way to get back at the muslim ummah is though the bombing of eight afghani kids. An immaculate plan...would have been foiled had there been another kid there to make it nine.\(why do you keep editing it? Bhaijaani ki koi kami hai yahaan? )

"i'm warning you for the last time, we're here to liberate you."

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agree, u can have criminal negligence, and it merits its own punishment,
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Well it's a crime perpetrated during war, hence a war crime. No it wasn't planned that was the crime in this case.

Its the same answer we get after inncoent civilians die. Of course they were doing it in good faith, followed “stringent rules of engagement”…yeah right tell that to the parents of the children killed. Do you think it will be easy to recruit some of them to becoem suicide bombers? Really sad and pathetic are the people who make light of the incident and who come up with excuses after excuses (which are always the same) and never stop to think for a moment what a tragic incident it really is. Do these people believe that american lives are somehow more important than Afghani or Iraqi lives?

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**US officials said they were acting on extensive intelligence and had killed a former Taleban militant, Mullah Wazir.

But local Afghans told the BBC's Crispin Thurold the intended target had left the village 10 days earlier. **
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"Extensive" intelligence ? That's beginning to sound like an oxymoron. What's the latest on Mullah Wazir? Who is he anyways? Has he been 'caught'? Half the time, they come out with these names and no one even knows who the heck they are - could be Mullah Wazir this time, next time when 10 children die from the same family, they'll say they were looking for Mullah Abdullah. What's the freaking point ? Kaleem is absolutely right, we have successfully managed to recruit a few new suicide bombers from the extended family members (the ones who managed to escape with all their limbs intact). The hypocrisy is just mind-blowing.

It's a very sad and unfortunate incident. The U.S. has dispatched people to the village to help in anyway they can. The Taliban will continue to be hunted down and taken out that’s not a choice if the people of Afghanistan are to ever have a chance, if not more incidents like yesterday's will occur in which a Pakistani engineer was killed by suspected Taliban gunman.

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**The Taliban will continue to be hunted down and taken out
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That sounds like you are hunting rabbits, not people. The US can't find the biggest catch, bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. The small fry will escape just as easily.

Actually hunting pigs.

I have a hard time designating the term ‘people’ to those that would routinely take women to an internationally funded sport stadium and publicly execute them for teaching a child how to read or some other insane rule that they broke.

As far as catching Saddam and Bin Laden that would be a nice feeling but short lived. And while the search for them will go on so will the search for those who want to kill people like Sarah Chayes of Afghans for a Civil Society, who’s just trying to help bring back a society that's been missing for so long.

In the end it won’t be the U.S. who wins these wars but the people who live there in these countries. Those small fry’s won’t be welcomed once a foundation has been built up and people are no longer suffering and Bin Laden and his followers know that and that’s why they kill anyone who’s helping build that foundation, be it American troops providing security, the Pakistani engineer building roads, or the Sarah Chayes rebuilding homes.