As I said…any cash, credit, you name it..mode of payment for goods or services rendered in teh US pays for fight againt evil. Thankyou for doing your part. By buying some certs at the pharmacy, you have aided our war effort. 
I am disappointed. Now you’re just repeating yourself. Boring.
NEXT!
So you are telling me you are not spending any money in the US. Good god man....what do you eat?
^^Matsui just pray that...History should not repeat itself...It was not even 5 centuries back... that you(generaliztion)were living as a filthy bug on the streets of Baghdad & Jerusalem....& remember in human societies 5 centuries is nothing....
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^^Matsui just pray that...History should not repeat itself...It was not even 5 centuries back... that you(generaliztion)were living as a filthy bug on the streets of Baghdad & Jerusalem....& remember in human societies 5 centuries is nothing....
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doesn't say much about the status of minorities of that era now does it.. :)
^No body is pious in this world....It's all just "A power game"...& the tragedy is "it never lasts that long..."
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Wow, I actually agree with skhan on something! I also pray that the US forces in Iraq and elsewhere continue to do "good" by sending thousands more mujahideen to meet their maker. I'm sure they're pleased to provide this valuable service to the world.
It's analagous to chemo when you think about it. Although many of you prefer not to think about it this way becuase still haven't recognized that your religion has cancer.
Yes :insha: they will all be martyred in the cause of Allah and recieve the highest abode of heaven. Whilst anyone who dies for the US, well we all know what will happen to them.
Anyway all this is just lip service from America, in reality their gonna do all they can to keep their Saudi buds in power. We all know a truely democratic Arabia will be their worst nightmare, where will they get their oil then?
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....It was not even 5 centuries back... that you(Matsui's forefathers)were living as a filthy bug on the streets of Baghdad ...
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5 centuries back, that is around 1500 AD, Baghdad was in pretty bad shape by itself. I am not sure Matsui's forefathers would have migrated there.
In fact by 1500,
250 years had already passed since the Mongol destruction of Abbasi's Baghdad
200 years had gone by since the utter defeat of Muslims in Spain
50 years more and Ottomans were taking their last breath.
On the other hand, in Europe, the tide was already turning. In 1500, Oxford was home to a 300 years old college (Morton). Scientific discoveries, and metallurgy had already established itself in major European cities. Ottomans were severely lagging behind and solely dependent on European steel for their use.
So Bud! you may have to go back 1000 years and toast the Muslim rule.
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remember in human societies 5 centuries is nothing....
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Yes only for the victors and entrepreneurs.
On the other hand, for the MAToo terrorist every day is hell and 500 years is pretty long lasting hell.
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It's analagous to chemo when you think about it. Although many of you prefer not to think about it this way becuase still haven't recognized that your religion has cancer.
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Yes the cancer is the American dollar.
that's deep bro...
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5 centuries back, that is around 1500 AD, Baghdad was in pretty bad shape by itself. I am not sure Matsui's forefathers would have migratedthere.
In fact by 1500,
250 years had already passed since the Mongol destruction of Abbasi's Baghdad
200 years had gone by since the utter defeat of Muslims in Spain
50 years more and Ottomans were taking their last breath.
On the other hand, in Europe, the tide was already turning. In 1500, Oxford was home to a 300 years old college (Morton). Scientific discoveries, and metallurgy had already established itself in major European cities. Ottomans were severely lagging behind and solely dependent on European steel for their use.
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I didn't kow that you are counting time on your fingers to defend Matsui here....Hey by the way you joined this site in July...Isn't that time around when Matsui get flushed out & some how you sprouted in....
Now reagrading whether Abbasid Caliphate of Baghdad being destroyed in 1258 by Halaku Khan or the Ummayad ( later on Abbasids) Emirate of Spain destroyed in 1492( by Isabella and Ferdinand ,who by the way also imposed physical segregation of jews in 1480) or not.....Regarding whether Ottomans were among the world's most powerful political entities in the 16th and 17th centuries( The Empire reached its apex under Suleiman the Magnificent in the 16th century when it stretched from the Persian Gulf in the east to Hungary in the northwest; and from Egypt in the south to the Caucasus to the north ....also by the way "Battle of Vienna" was not there till 1683)..when the nations of Europe felt threatened by its steady advance through the Balkans & encroachment onto Vienna & when it ruled half of the Europe.....Whether Moghuls succeded in establishing one of the most powerful Muslim empires in India(Power being stretched over 16th & 17th centuries) statring from Babur in 1520's & ending on Aurangzeb in early 1700's...It remains a fact that Muslims were a dominating force of the Middle ages & were Indeed reigning there in their esteem when Europe was still going through its Renaissance(& When North America was yet to be/just discovered)....
Muslim rule was over after their defeat in battle of Las Navas de Tolosa (1212). By the mid-13th century Granada was the only independent Muslim realm in Spain [reference below]. That little place was finally lost in 1492. Abd-ar-rahman I (756-788) kicked out Abbasis so your assertion is stretching the Khalifa’s period by almost 500 years.
Off course Nasim Hijazi would say that Muslims were the kings until 1492 but that is a little self-patting.
Mughal rule in Bharat? Yeap it was good but it is now gone forever. Unless you start recreating dinosaurs. Starting with Ranjit Singh, the tables have turned. It is now time for the Subcontinent to kick central Asian A$$. Wana is a good example.
Everyone knows MAToos love conspiracy theories (just like their commie leftie brethren)
Made up history will always keep these MAToo terrorists in the dark hole of hate.
Reference: Global Industry Market Sizing - NationMaster
wow......now what was the topic of this thread?....hmmm...i dont even remember it after reading last 10 posts or so......ohhh yeah yaddd ayyaaa..... we were supposed to discuss USA state department's latest criticism of Saudi Arab’s human rights record.....but if we want to discuss Islamic history, we should open up a new thread…..actually we should have a history forum at this website…anyway guys lets stick to the topic….thanks
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Mughal rule in Bharat? Yeap it was good but it is now gone forever. Unless you start recreating dinosaurs. Starting with Ranjit Singh, the tables have turned. It is now time for the Subcontinent to kick central Asian A$$. Wana is a good example.
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Why are you intentionally keeping Ottomans out of your"version of history???"....Or does it somehow derail your thoughts of""Muslim Era gone by...and Never gonna come back"" theory???Besides do remember...Everything has an "end "in this world....Now Ranjit Singh kicked Muslim A$$(few moments back praised by you)...where is this dude's Sulatante now???
Now coming back to topic...Regarding Saudis criticized by US at this juncture...Reason is obvious...Bush needs some points right now, to hail over Kerry in the elections...you would definitely see this kind of a tactic used pretty often(but it wouldn't last long,as the world need oil too)...nothing new there..
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Why are you intentionally keeping Ottomans out of your"version of history....
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No not really!. I am an avid reader of Ottoman era. 1530's saw the last successful Ottoman campaign under the command of Khairuddin. Things went downhill after that.
First Portuguese, then Spanish, then Dutch, and later British picked the Ottoman pieces. The final nail was driven during WW-1, but lights went dim in 1550s.
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.....Now Ranjit Singh kicked Muslim A$$(........
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I never said "Muslim A$$". RS had Muslim commanders in his army, just like bunch of Muslim rulers had non-Muslim commanders. Many areas under RS rule were run by Muslim commanders. I can recall some big ones like Qasur, and Multan.
Until RS control of Kabul, Central Asians used to make forays in the Subcontinent. Then the tables turned, and troops from subcontinent started making incursions in central Asia.
The way I see it, now an organized Pakistan with 150 million population and 700,000 strong army can easily kick A$$ of the whole central Asia that happens to have 30-40 million population and may be 100,000 total troops.
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....Everything has an "end "in this world..........
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Yeap! Pharos built pyramids but they are gone forever. Similarly, anyone championing the return of MAToo Arrrrab rule is clearly mistaken.
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we were supposed to discuss USA state department's latest criticism of Saudi Arab’s human rights record.....actually we should have a history forum at this website…
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Didn't see your post until now.
Sure we should have a history forum. A lot of MAToos read Nasim Hijazi and give lectures about Islam history vs. the rest of the world.
SA human rights abuse was being supported by historical references to Khalifa-jaat. As if somehow magically the state department will bow down to some futuristic Khalifa.
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The way I see it, now an organized Pakistan with 150 million population and 700,000 strong army can easily kick A$$ of the whole central Asia
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Dude why would Pakistan even do that???Any inert hatered for Central Asians...May be like that they(Muslims) ruled over your fore fathers in Indian Sub-Continent for over 3 centuries....
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SA human rights abuse was being supported by historical references to Khalifa-jaat.
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So now "Muslim Khilafats/Khalifas" are a motivation for US called Human Rights Abuses in Saudi Arabia...
Keep on coming...We are learning your theories & thoughts by this way(besides every one here till now knows what are they made off)....
Is not this true that saudia has shown a great deal of drama about arms and amnation, and terrorists killing, catching them in their country.?It is enough now?
Every one knows that no one can enter saudia even with a book which is against Wahabesum, no matter if it is religious or not.
Infact all the training for all the jahadies of whole arab world used to be carried out in saudia.
They were the key player of such an environment and mental -------------------- of muslim ummah to reach to such an irreversible mental health crisis, that they praise libya to compromise with USA but they abuse president of pakistan.
Today some arab countries are against saudia due to the misbehaviour of saudia king in OIC meeting, so those arabs would definitely tell every planning of saudia to USA now.
Also america is no more dependent on saudian oil. It has iraqi's oil too. Which is every other day on fire by non iraqis in iraq.There is doubt prevailing among iraqis that saudia and syria are involved in putting on fire in iraqis oil; in order to increase oil prize.
So the truth is ---------whether saudia was guilty or not ? we would know the truth soon.
Bye sokoon