Re: Urdu necessary for national unity
^ interesting
Please elaborate
i think is pakistan adopt urdu as forced unique laguage, sooner or later pakistan will just be a pale copy of indiaā¦my two cents
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I am a kashmiri also and speak very good Urdu.
Are you a true Kashmiri? i.e. from the valley or one of the fake Kashmiris from Mirpur?
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Isn't the language spoken in Azad Kashmir same as indian kashmir (kashmiri..)?
No. The language spoken in Azad "Kashmir" is actually Punjabi (Potohari or Pahari dialects). This language is completely different from Kashmiri. The people of Mirpur are not Kashmiris. They suffer from an inferiority complex and seem to be ashamed of being true to their Punjabi/Pahari/Pothari nature.
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Coming back to the topic, Pakistan will lose none of its cultural heritage if the regional languages are wiped out. Urdu will become a vibrant language and more than make up for any loss of heritage.
Just imagine a single Pakistan where everyone, from Gwadar to Baltistan, from Karachi to the Khyber, speaking Urdu as their mother tongue. One Nation. with One language.
If you think Urdu is a foreign language, then so is English. Then so is your Pashto and Balaochi, which were brought to Pakistan by Aryan invaders. Who cares? As long as you can speak the language, you've got nothing to lose. 100% of Pakistanis can speak Urdu. All they need to do now is make it their children's first language.
The following steps should be taken:
(i) English must be made the medium of instruction in all primary and secondary schools,
(ii) Urdu must be the "language of explanation" and the classroom language,
(iii) the speaking of all languages other than English/Urdu in schools, colleges, government buildings must be banned,
(iv) the publishing of any book, newspaper, etc in any language other than Urdu/English must be banned,
(v) Schoolchildren should be taught Persian as a compulsory third language - this will put additional pressure on the regional languages, wiping them out quickly, and also satisfy the Iranian-minded people who think Urdu is an Indian imposition.
So u have a Pakistan where:
- Urdu is the first language of 100% of the people
- English and Persian are also understood
- useless folk languages like Punjabi, Sindhi, Balochi etc are eliminated.
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Typical Paki wisdom indeed! The recommendations should be implemented as soon as possible. And Sindhis will get their Sindhudesh and Baluchis their Greater Baluchistan earlier than they expect.
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Eventually, all of Turkey will become Turkish-speaking (Kurdish language will die out), all of Iran will become Farsi-speaking (Turkish, Balochi, Arabic will die out there), all of Afghanistan will become Farsi/Dari-speaking (Pashto, Uzbek, etc will die out there), and all of Pakistan will become Urdu-speaking (Balochi, SIndhi, Punjabi, Kashmiri, and Pashto will die out as well).
There are many advantages to this happening:
- it will make communication easier
- it will prevent the disintegration of these countries into Provincistans, Districtistans, Cityistans, and eventually Mytoiletistans.
- it will make this region look much more like Europe with neat language divisions: French, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian etc.
- it will make much more economic sense; instead of running a commercial in 5 different languages, all you need is to do it in one.
It's already happening. What I'm suggesting is that measures should be taken to speed it up.
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It will mean my own language, Kashmiri, dying out. But do I care? What am I going to lose? I can speak English and Urdu fluently. The same applies to all educated Kashmiris, they all speak good English/Urdu. Those who are as yet uneducated will learn English/Urdu, so they need suffer no problems.
The Irish, Welsh and Scottish people lost their languages. It hasn't stopped them from enjoying their own culture.
I'd rather be a Welshman or Irishman (who's lost his language) than a Bangladeshi whose language is the official language of the country.
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As Urdu-Hindi is a good solvent for Punjabi, Hindku, Siraiki, and Kashmiri so these languages may ultimately get diluted in Urdu-Hindi.
Baluchis have the problem of numbers i.e. they are only 4 millions in number (excluding Baluchis from Iran). But Baluchis have immense strategic importance because of the proximity of their area to Indian Ocean, Middle East, and Persian Gulf. Just imagine Qauid-i-Azam had told Americans just before the partition, probably in May, 1946, that if Pakistan is not created, Hindu Imperialism will pose a great threat to Gulf and Middle East.
Sindhi will retain its status. Pashto will also retain its status because of the demographic strength of Pashtuns ( about 28 millions in Pakistan and 20 millions in Afghanistan), rich literary traditions, media projection, geopolitical/strategic importance of Pashtuns, etc.
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There are many advantages to this happening: - it will make communication easier - it will prevent the disintegration of these countries into Provincistans, Districtistans, Cityistans, and eventually Mytoiletistans. - it will make this region look much more like Europe with neat language divisions: French, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian etc. - it will make much more economic sense; instead of running a commercial in 5 different languages, all you need is to do it in one.
It's already happening. What I'm suggesting is that measures should be taken to speed it up.
These are just wild speculations!
The circumstances which applied to Britian are different from those in our region. Britian was sort of an Island, isolated and having natural barriers against invasions and foreign interference. Also unlike the states you mentioned, Britian has survived for the last many centuries, thrived into an empire where the Sun never sit, and remained economically and politically stable thoughout this period. Despite this, it is being predicted that by 2020 Scotland will be an independent country.
The states you are talking about are unnatural, unstable, and fragile without the strength to outlive the ancient identities which evolved over millinia and so are very deep-rooted.
If eay communication is taken as an argument, why not Arabic or Persian, why Urdu-Hindi? Why not English, which can tie us to global community and give us access to an immensely huge body of knowledge? Commercials and ads will be most economical with English.
It should be logical that every community should learn English to link to global society and native linguage to maintain connection to its past.
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I agree about Sindhi as it is the most advanced of all local languages I have seen in Pakistan with even its own script.
About pashtu, what are you babbling about?
SUre it might not die off as some say but to say it is a literary language is far from the truth!
Sindh had the indus civilization. Can you tell me WHEN and WHERE was a pashtun civilization (looting and pillaging other communities for loot as many afghan kings did doesnāt count for a ācivilizationā).
If what you are saying is true then pathans wouldnāt be adopting urdu and ESPECIALLY Dari in afghanistan to show they are educated and articulate would they? 
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^ If you say you are kashmiri and come from Pakistan (right?) then you come from the same culture don't you? ;)
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If it were not for my forefathers like great Alluadin Khilji, Ghuari, etc., you still would've been an untouchable scum of the earth. Again had not Ahmad Shah Abdali and those Rohila saved you at Panipat, aggressive Marhatas would've re-converted you to untouchable slavery to make you swollow the cow's **** again...
One should not be base to the extent to not show even slight gratitude to one's saviours...
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Seems you've some nostalgia for Harrapa and Moinjodaro pillaged by those brutal Aryans, haan!:D
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This will never happen...Urdu/Hindi is a foreign language imported from Gangtic plane and is the mother tongue of only 7% of the total population (Urdu-speakers of Karachi)...Urdu and Hindi are the synonyms for the same language....In old days it was called Hindustani...
Yes Urdu and Hindi are the same language but it is not as foreign to Pakistan as you make it out to be, UrduHindi and other languages belonging to the same family evolved from dialects of Punjabi (Hindko, Potohari, Pahari) and are hence usually mutually intelligible to Punjabi and other closely related languages, UrduHindi by many is considered a more formal and sophisticated version of the Punjabi dialects and that's probably the reason why all educated Punjabi families I know speak to their children in Urdu.
90% of Pakistanis speak languages mutually intelligible to Urdu and will eventually get assimilated into Urdu, Pashtuns and Baluchis make up the 10% whose languages are not so closely related to Urdu but when need arises they too will learn Urdu. There are other minorities in Pakistan but there numbers are too insignificant to have any impact on Pakistan so I wont mention them.
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Yes you came and saved Punjabis (hence they named missiles like abdali in your honor) but I have no love lost for them! 
This gratitude goes back and forth hence Pakistani aid to afghans against soviets and giving them Caliph Mullah Umar!
Btw, did you know that another aftereffect of the abdali invasions or whatever you call them was also the rise of Sikhs (which even pathans couldnāt challenge hence I heard than even today pashtun mothers make references to these sikhs when they want to scare their childrenā¦).
Maybe you should thank the british for delivering you from Sikh rule otherwise you could also be wearing a potato on your head (maybe you wanted that??? 
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I canāt understand you? 
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This is another example of ingratitude and moral degradationā¦As for authentic history, Marhatas ravaged Central Hidustan firstā¦and it was Shah Walliullah, a Hindi-speaker, having requested Abdali to attack Marhatasā¦
As for aid that makes me laughā¦
Mullah Umar project was an overestimation that was followed by huge humuliationā¦
If that can sooth your inferiority complex then keep on pleasing yourself with thatā¦Pashtun cannot be terrifiedā¦our history is witness to itā¦
Maybe you should thank the british for delivering you from Sikh rule otherwise you could also be wearing a potato on your head (maybe you wanted that??? ).
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While you were wearing the yoke of āuntouchableā slavery for millinia submissively until our valient ancestors liberated you, we fought with everyone, be Sikh or be British, for our freedomā¦we donāt say we are invincibleā¦we say our spirit to be free is invincibleā¦
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I think the thread had served it purpose now (as far as you people allowed it to happen)