Ulema to be asked to teach moderate Islam

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Ulema to be asked to teach moderate Islam – Detail Story

ISLAMABAD: President General Pervez Musharraf will speak his mind in a rare face-to-face encounter with nearly 100 leading Ulema on his “enlightened moderation” and worldview for the Ummah on December 4.

No fireworks are in store during the heart-to-heart talk at the Aiwan-e-Sadr as the list of clerics has been carefully drawn from all over the country. A predominant majority of the Ulema, attending the conference, is expected to share the president’s views on the enlightened moderation while adhering to the sacred religion of Islam and will feel no hesitation in publicly supporting him on this count.

The president will be trying to give a message to the religious lobby in particular that the Ulema should not preach radicalism and extremism as this has damaged the Muslims as well as Islam, an official indicated to The News.

Musharraf will attempt to impress upon the religious leaders and scholars to follow and teach a moderate image of Islam. He will once again make it clear that his policies are not targeted against the religion or Muslims. Rather his advocacy of enlightened moderation at domestic and world forums have been appreciated by the Muslim countries.

The president would lay stress on curbing elements, bringing a bad name to Islam and the Muslims. The president will allocate a substantial chunk of his discourse with the clerics to the reforms the government is pursuing in bringing the “Madaris” in the mainstream educational system so that those who have studied at these institutions could compete with those who have been educated at other educational organisations.

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Comment:

The effect of the Islamic dawah in pakistan has progressed so well and Musharaff not content with banning Islamic parties and allowing non-islamic parties to exist now needs to resort to more measures to control the spread of Political Islam. Since when has he been an expert on Islam? Now he wants to control the Islam which is being taught, well maybe he should have a read of the Quran and sunnah and see many references to ruling by Islam, Jihad against those who occupy muslim lands like in Kashmir, it is forbidden to ally with disbelievers like America against the muslims of Afganistan and the role of the army officer is in the army fighting Jihad fee sabil illah and not as a dictator ruling according to what America tells him.

Islam can never be changed it is perfect and applicable for all times and places, the one who tries to change Islam will end up outside the fold of Islam and the muslim peoples will never accept this.

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** A predominant majority of the Ulema, attending the conference, is expected to share the president’s views on the enlightened moderation while adhering to the sacred religion of Islam and will feel no hesitation in publicly supporting him on this count. **

Exactly. The vast majority of the Ulema in Pakistan will support the President’s call, as will the overwhelming majority of the Pakistani people, who are sick to death of the division, hatred and violence that such a small minority have preached for so long. Going back to early 1970’s the mullah-politicians have tried to blackmail and threaten every government, be it civilian or military into imposing a clerics-only government in Pakistan, which is in direct contradiction of the founding principles of our nation.

President General Musharraf (long may he rule) is the first Pakistani leader since before ZAB to stand up these people, and start to rid our society of the ills of militancy, sectarianism and terrorism which have plagued us for so long. He has shown true leadership in this regard, unlike the cowards and looters (of all political persuasions) who ruled us previously, which is what the Pakistani people were demanding for a long time. If the President succeeds in reforming Pakistani society to the point where Muslim Pakistani’s do not judge each other based on whether someone is Sunni or Shia etc, and when Pakistani’s as a whole do not judge fellow compatriots based on their religion, then the people of Pakistan will be eternally grateful.

Go Mr President. :k:

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well there is defintely a great effort and money being poured in by the cia and pro west govt to invent west friendly moderate mullahs
but what about the muslims who are facing death at the hands of tyrants and sadistic regimes? should we abandom them? tommorow it will be us

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Moderate whats that mean?

Is that like Diet Islam (Diet coke) version 2.0

thats just hiding from the fact what islam is you cannot dilute it.

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rubish

if some one don't like islam get out of it.

there is nothing of moderate islam.

islam is most moderate religin itself

those who want moderate islam actually want that they r allowed to drink, commit zina and all that is banned in islam under modern islam. man without beards and women without dresses on streets.

no sir no this is impossible.

allah has completed islam n if some one want modesty change religion.

musharraf is mad. today he is saying to prepare doctors n engineers from madrassas.
janab it not madrassa people who commit suiside r kill each other, whichis quite normal practice in state run colleges n university.

andheer nagri chopat raja.

allah save us from pervaiz

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today he is saying to prepare doctors n engineers from madrassas.
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Why is that a bad thing? It strikes me that doctors and engineers who also have an strong understanding of Islam would be a positive influence on society.

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this u can do in universities as well. why just u want to in madrassa

look brother every institution has its outline and framework.

can u affod to prepare soldiers from marine academy? if they r given training of soldiers r they may be better off.
but this is not the way reality is.

an aalim of madrassa put his 8 years to become aalim n further 3 to become mufti. the way they study me n u can’t imagine.

the madrassa is in our religion from very begining i.e from nabi akram:saw: 's suffa
those who study there did’nt do anyrhing else.

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I think the problem in the Education system of pakistan and most muslim countries is as with the pak model.

You have Madrassa vs University.

The madrassa will make the boy who will become an imam or person with knowledge of islam.

The university will make the boy into an engineer or doctor.

what needs to happen is a combination of both, this is what happend when islam was great you had the imams who where also the doctors and engineers. You know everytime muslims quote in past islam about how we invented this and that these people where taught koran, hadiths, sciences, politics business etc!

not a seperation but a combination!

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not a seperation but a combination!
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I think a balanced outlook in life is quite neccessary. BTW, I dont agree with the feeling that this step is to ape the west and have women on the road with no clothes and men with no beards, but could help in coming out with a generation of better Muslims

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Some 'mullahs' wouldn't mind being titled 'sir falana falana' and receving the OBE and a honorary degree from some American university for teaching that there is no such thing as Jihad...

A certain dead person from India comes to mind, but that is another tangent I shouldn't be going off into...

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Since when has he been an expert on Islam?
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Since taking up Correspondence Course with Shake Bush and Shake Blair.

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Originally posted by ophiolites: *
**islam is most moderate religin itself*

exactly, so lets wrestle it out of the hands of the ppl who are twisting it to make it suit their purposes.

*those who want moderate islam actually want that they r allowed to drink, commit zina and all that is banned in islam under modern islam. man without beards and women without dresses on streets. *

Not quite, why is there this idea that if one person does not liekone extreme, that he is for the other extreme. How about stopping the type of groups that have been killing each other in the name of religion, sipah e sahaba, sipah e muhammadm etc the sunni and shia extremist groups. How about stopping jamiat goons from destroying public property and harassing, injuring and killing ppl when they see things that they dont like.

janab it not madrassa people who commit suiside r kill each other, whichis quite normal practice in state run colleges n university.

err two points

1) some of the most rabid terrorists on uni abd college campuses nationwide have been jamiaat goons, the ethnic groups came later. So the religious extremist zealots are an issue in colleges and universities too

2) we cant just say that uni and colleges have these problems, so lets not solve them. Solve both.

3) madrissa grads may not be commiting suicides, but they surely are killing one another teh case of sipah e shaab and sipah e muhammad is one, as well as the clashes between diff other groups..green paggs vs the black paggs etc etc.

Now I will be the first one to say that madrissas are not bad, I myself have been invited to speak at a madrissa about life in other countries etc. some madrissas however have issues, and it appears to be a large enough number that they needed to be weeded out, having curriculum requirements for teh first time was a step in teh right direction, it will also help to have instructors who meet some expected standards in terms of their own education.

The basic point is..

if you are not a fan of one extreme..it does not automatically mean that you want the exact opposite of that extreme to take place..

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*Originally posted by ak47: *
I think the problem in the Education system of pakistan and most muslim countries is as with the pak model.

You have Madrassa vs University.

The madrassa will make the boy who will become an imam or person with knowledge of islam.

The university will make the boy into an engineer or doctor.

what needs to happen is a combination of both, this is what happend when islam was great you had the imams who where also the doctors and engineers. You know everytime muslims quote in past islam about how we invented this and that these people where taught koran, hadiths, sciences, politics business etc!

not a seperation but a combination!
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Madrassahs producing experts of Islam? That has to be a joke right. Have you ever been to a madrassah (assuming you didnt graduate from one already?). Leave out the extremism element out for a moment, there is still plenty of wrong stuff that goes on there. Molvi sahibs sleeping while his shagirds are giving him 'maulish' and not to mention the way they treat children. They treat talib-ilms badly over there. In zia-ul-aloom (made after our great Zia sahib) madrassah in SatelliteTown Rawalpindi, which is very close to where I live, three boys were sexually abused by a teacher there, who fled just because the police was incompetent and slow in nabbing him. If this is what madrassahs are about, by all means we need to modify them.

The original concept of a madrassah is great, poor children recieving free religious education and boarding, but its been badly misused. I also agree, Musharraf didnt do anything right to correct this, his 'madrassah registration' scheme was a meagre show, thats all.

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*Originally posted by Toddytapper: *

I think a balanced outlook in life is quite neccessary. BTW, I dont agree with the feeling that this step is to ape the west and have women on the road with no clothes and men with no beards, but could help in coming out with a generation of better Muslims
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this was the method adopted in the past, and it should be used again today.

There was no seperation belief in allah(swt) and lifes affairs it was intertwined in the education system.

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*Originally posted by ophiolites: *

those who want moderate islam actually want that they r allowed to drink, commit zina and all that is banned in islam under modern islam. man without beards and women without dresses on streets.

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Do tell us please where President Musharraf said that is is what he meant by moderate Islam?

Yes, Islam is the most moderate of all religions.

It does not teach Sunni's to kill Shia's, or for Shia's to kill Sunni's, in fact it repeatedly states how much Allah (SWT) hates fasad and disunity amongst the Muslim Ummah.

Islam does not teach Muslims to hate and kill non-Muslims, rather to protect them and accord them full rights in all respects in Muslim lands.

Our great religion does not instruct men to relegate women to a lower status and to be subservient to men, and deprive them of education, that is the foremost right for all according the Holy Koran.

Yet, these are just a few examples of where extremists have grossly misinterpreted Islam for their own selfish, political and evil aims to the detriment of the good name, of the greatest of all religions. Their preaching of this hatred has poisoned our nation for too long, and led to the killings of thousands of people over the last few decades, weakening the unity of Muslims and destabilising Pakistan.

So when President Musharraf talks about teaching 'moderate Islam', he means reversing the cycle of hate and misinterpretation (as stated above) that so few have been able to teach to so many people for such a long while.

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The ruling system in Pakistan is secularism and democracy.

Islam is not the ruling system in pakistan so to blame muslims and islam for pakistans problems is a red herring!

as for musharaff hes got blood of muslims of afghanistan to account for on day of judgement!

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when sectarian groups attack ppl from other sects, it has pretty much zero to do with secular thought.

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when sectarian groups attack ppl from other sects, it has pretty much zero to do with secular thought.
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Please try reading carefully Islam is not the ruling system in pakistan Secularism is!

It has everything to do with government they encourage differences and groups themselves its a concept within secular man made laws called pluralism!

In islam the history shows the different islamic schools of thought worked together for the implementation of Islam by establishing of a State. Jurists like Imam Malik, Imam Abu Hanifa, Imam Jaffar as-Saadiq, who were contemporaries, never accused one another of infidelity, nor did their followers ever raise swords against one another.

The government is the one to blame because they are the ones with power to stop sectarianism tommorow if they wish!

As for earlier post if you cannot tell the difference when something is generic like a gun or bottle of mineral water and if it can or cannot be used by a muslim then you need to do some basic reading.

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moderate islam = acceptable to west, created on demands and requirements made by the west. totally take out the core concepts islam relies on. muhammad indeed was a terrorist, womanizer and Quran is just a piece of fiction and not word of Allah. this is what moderate islam west wants to spread in islamic countries. muslims in their own countries are already moderate enough to reject and accept islam as they like. they are more like pickers, something that sits well with their liking is in and others are mere false notions and thus cannot be accepted at all. this form of islam is more prevalent in west and now they want to bring that disease to other islamic countries aswell. little by little, you'll see real islam will die down and moderate islam will take roots.