UK minister Robin Cook quits Blair cabinet - blasts Iraq war (merged)

Don't know the exact number, but the rebels now only account for about a third of Labour. If the rebellion was going to happen, it would be now. Claire Short's non-resignation pretty well settles it. The tide has turned. The vote this afternoon will be strong, and the risk will have passed. Ironically the FRENCH secured the vote.

Nothing brings up the ire of the English like misbehavior of the French. By promising to veto anything, the French let Blair off the hook. It is the only thing that has gone well for the US and UK diplomatically. This will all be forgotten in a week.

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*Don't know the exact number, but the rebels now only account for about a third of Labour. If the rebellion was going to happen, it would be now. *
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Nope wrong on all counts. It usually takes about 40 to 50 MP's to publicly call for their leader to go, which then starts the slow but sure path to a full rebellion and leadership challenge - maybe taking over a year to reach a climax. That number of Labour MP's called for Blair to go the other week. The rebels (those who rebelled in the last vote) account for just over 50% of Labour backbenchers i.e. members not holding any ministerial or government portfolio.

btw, these Labour MP's are rebelling against the Ameriacn-dictated policies, so your French argument holds little sway. :)

A year is a very long time Lefty! A war that goes well will shore up Blair more than anything else. If he made it throught the last month, he is not threatened. Thankfully Blair had Bush's savvy Diplomatic help to save him.

Did you notice that the "peace protests" were dramatically smaller lately than they were a few weeks ago? Public opinion has hit a low nadir, and other than a war going badly, the pendulum will swing. The media examining Saddam's abuses, interviewing people about Saddam's abuses, and finding a pile of documentation about all kinds of horrors will provide a vindication in the rear view mirror. Mark my words.....

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A year is a very long time Lefty! A war that goes well will shore up Blair more than anything else.
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All I have to advise and say is read up on what happened to Margaret Thatcher between 1990 and 1991, and remember what happened to George Bush Snr after the last Gulf war? :)

Just for my own benefit, so i know who has resigned: Robin Cook, Junior health minister Lord Hunt, home office minister John Denham, and Labour MP Anne Campbell, the parliamentary private secretary to the trade and industry secretary. That's it for now, right?

Lefty? and here's me surmising a Tory voter? Well I suppose anything is left wing compared to Mr Mush...even Saddam!

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He is an American dear comrade ;), please take that into account. :)

From the BBC

"An amendment drawn up by rebel MPs saying there is no moral justification for war without a new UN resolution was defeated by 396 votes to 217."

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Just for my own benefit, so i know who has resigned: Robin Cook, Junior health minister Lord Hunt, home office minister John Denham, and Labour MP Anne Campbell, the parliamentary private secretary to the trade and industry secretary. That's it for now, right?
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Labour MP for Loughborough Andy Reed
"he has no choice but to quit as Parliamentary Private Secretary to Environment Secretary Margaret Beckett because he feels so strongly about the crisis."

Leader of the House of Commons Robin Cook
"Neither the international community nor the British public are persuaded that there is an urgent and compelling reason for this action in Iraq."

Mr Cook's parliamentary private secretary Ken Purchase automatically leaves the government as a result.

Lord Hunt of Kings Heath
"At the end of the day I don't support this action and it would be hypocritical for me to stay in government."

Home Office Minister John Denham
"I cannot support the government in tonight's vote."

Bob Blizzard, Labour MP for Waveney

Anne Campbell, Labour MP for Cambridge

I think they are too few in number. They won't influence anything. They are just a temporary nuisance factor for Blair government. Once the war is over, they will all make up.

That was exactly what i was looking for, thank you very much Aishaa.

Faisal Bhai, they are few in number and yes they will never be able to influence anything in a significant manner.
But look at the response to Robin Cook’s resignation speech - it has been immensely positive. Canadian media don’t usually cover British politics in any depth, but yesterday news of his resignation was covered by most if not all of the main news stations. It may not influence anything - but atleast these individuals still have some basic humanity and conscience intact.

It’s not just Labour MPs, but three Tory ones also - here’s an article that gives the resignations in chronological order:
Andrew Reed (parliamentary private secretary to the environment secretary Margaret Beckett)
Robin Cook (former foreign secretary); Cook’s PPS, Ken Purchase, did not resign but automatically left his junior ministerial post with R. Cook
Lord Hunt of Kings Heath (Health minister)
John Denham (Home Office minister)
Anne Campbell (MP for Cambridge, PPS to the trade and industry secretary, Patricia Hewitt)
Bob Blizzard (MP for Waveney and PPS to work and pensions minister Nick Brown)
John Randall (Tory whip)
Jonathan Sayeed (Shadow environment minister)
Humfrey Malins (Shadow home affairs minister)
John Baron (Shadow health minister)

Malik,

· 217 MPs vote against war.
· 140 estimated Labour rebels

Even tho it passed in the parliament, but how significant or insignificant are these nay votes for Blair's future and credibility?

140 MP’s is well over 50% of Blair’s backbench party i.e. those that do not have any ministerial or government position, and it is the biggest parliamentary rebellion in post-war Britain. However the war pans out, and whatever the short term glory for Blair he is irreprebaly damaged. A leader who does not have the confidence and support of the majority of his backbenchers is doomed to meet a painful end sooner or later, as Mrs Thatcher found out so brutally.

And another ministerial aid has just resigned..

Ayr MP Sandra Osborne, Scottish Secretary Helen Liddell’s parliamentary aide, has resigned from government.](BBC NEWS | UK | Scotland | Scots MP resigns over Iraq)

Another ministerial aide with an active conscience.

Sixth aide resigns over Iraq, The Guardian, 19 March 2003

A sixth ministerial aide today confirmed he had quit the government over the Iraq crisis, saying he did not think there was sufficient international backing for a war.

David Kidney, MP for Stafford and a parliamentary private secretary (PPS) at the Department of the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra), said he had resigned last night after he voted for the rebel amendment.

“I did not think that we had exhausted the United Nations’ route and I did not think there was sufficiently-wide international support to fight a war,” he said.

His resignation makes him the ninth member of the government to leave over Iraq.

Those who have quit include one member of the cabinet, Robin Cook, who left his job as leader of the House of Commons on Monday, and ministers John Denham and Lord Hunt.

Mr Kidney is the second ministerial aide to resign from Defra over Iraq - Andy Reed, the MP for Loughborough, and PPS to Margaret Beckett, the environment secretary, quit last week.

Mr Kidney emphasised his loyalty to Tony Blair, saying, “I have a lot of time for Tony Blair and I think that his judgment is usually extraordinarily good. I just disagree with him on this one issue.”

Mr Kidney was one of a total of 139 Labour MPs - plus one teller - who backed a rebel amendment calling for more time for weapons inspections, outstripping the 121 Labour backbenchers who voted against the government in the last Iraq debate nearly a month ago.

He abstained from the main government motion authorising the use of “all necessary means” to strip Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction.

Mr Kidney is a former solicitor. Aged 47, and married with two children, he was elected MP for Stafford in 1997.

He is a member of the Commons modernisation select committee.

Adviser quits Foreign Office over legality of war, Ewen MacAskill, The Guardian, 22 March 2003

A senior legal adviser to the foreign secretary, Jack Straw, has quit the Foreign Office because of a difference over the legal advice sanctioning the war against Iraq, it emerged last night.

Elizabeth Wilmhurst, 54, deputy legal adviser, is understood to be unhappy with the government’s official line that it has sufficient basis for war under UN resolutions. Ms Wilmhurst has been a legal adviser at the Foreign Office for 30 years, and deputy legal officer since 1997.

Her resignation will be an embarrassment to Tony Blair as well as to Mr Straw and raises new doubts about the legal basis for the war. It will encourage anti-war MPs to renew pressure on the attorney general, Lord Goldsmith, to publish in full his legal advice to the government.

The Foreign Office was reluctant to discuss Ms Wilmhurst’s departure. A spokesman said: “A legal adviser has decided to leave over the last few days.” Asked the reason, he said: “That is a matter for them.”

After a week of reported unease within the government about the legality of going to war without a second UN resolution, Lord Goldsmith on Monday published a condensed version of his advice to Mr Blair. But anti-war MPs and many lawyers suspect the full version may be more evenly balanced.

Concern about the legal advice was expressed this week by two former Foreign Office legal advisers. In a letter to the Times, Sir Franklin Berman, legal adviser from 1991-99, and Sir Arthur Watts, legal adviser from 1987-91, expressed regret that the search for a second resolution had been abandoned. They said the onus was on the government to account “for their actions to the international community in whose name they claim to act”.

The Guardian was unable to contact Ms Wilmhurst.

This is Robin Cook's first major interview since resigning. Some interesting comments he makes - interview is too long to post in its entirety, so just posting my selected excerpts.

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Of Bush's Axis of Evil speech, when he named Iraq, Iran and North Korea as the enemies of the free world, Cook says, archly, that 'whoever wrote it' was ignorant of the realities.

'The immediate effect of the speech was to achieve a major reverse for the reformers in Iran,' he said, pointing out that the ayatollahs used the speech to attack America and democratic forces at home. 'If we are going to have a multilateral system we've all got to have ownership of what the priorities are going to be.'

Cook says that Britain now finds itself in a diplomatic position 'that it will come to regret'. Too close to America, too far away from Europe.

'Where should we be looking for the future direction of Britain's strategic international relations, for me the answer is Europe, to make sure that we are a major player and we are passionate that Europe speaks with a strong voice which means we try and speak without a divided voice,' he said.

'There are many reasons for that but the need to have an alternative pole, not a rival, but an alternative pole within international affairs is one of them. I have always been strongly committed to a multilateral system. We must respect international institutions.

'We need to engage in an international community that can bring to international forums and state with clarity the type of European values that are certainly not shared by many of those in the Bush administration,' he said.

'Firstly a respect for multilateral protocols, secondly if we are going to achieve a world governed by rules then we need to respect international process. There are two other European themes: a respect for global environmentalism and that the priorities of the international community reflect the massive priority of tackling poverty.

'We are not going to win the international war against terrorism unless we also win the international war against poverty.'

He suggests that when Bush decided push had come to shove, Britain should have said no. The inspectors needed more time, and Britain should have been strong enough to say so. 'Tony genuinely believed he could deliver unity behind the US for confrontation and that this unity in itself would produce sufficient progress on the part of Iraq that would have averted war,' Cook said.

'One of the reasons we didn't get that unity was because people felt that there was an impatience on the part of America to push the pace at which other countries would not readily go.

'Also, there were some noises off from the US which undermined our diplomatic effort. Calling France and Germany Old Europe was not helpful to what the British diplomats were trying to secure.

'One lesson is that although we must maintain our traditional alliance with America while it has an administration which does not share our world view or our values we have to make sure that we keep enough distance, that there is an option for Britain to come to a different conclusion.'

Cook and his stuffed stoat will soon be moving out of the Government apartment he has lived in since 1997. He expects that resignation is 'a one way street' and it is unlikely that he will ever return. And each day he will watch the bombing live on television certain in the belief that it could all have been avoided.]()

i hope he speaks up more:

Angry Cook lashes out at war, BBC, 29 March 2003

Former cabinet minister Robin Cook has launched an angry attack on the war in Iraq and called on Tony Blair to bring UK combat units home. Mr Cook - who resigned as Leader of the House of Commons in protest at the decision to launch hostilities without international agreement - denounced the campaign as “bloody and unnecessary”.

The ex-foreign secretary also warned that Britain and the United States risked stoking up a “long-term legacy of hatred” for the West across the Arab and Muslim world.

Downing Street was unmoved by the comments, saying his position contrary to that of the government was well known. Meanwhile, a new poll suggests 84% of Britons are now in favour of the war continuing until its objectives have been achieved. Eleven per cent of the 510 people questioned in an ICM Research poll for the News of the World newspaper said they believed troops should now be withdrawn from battle.

In his outspoken article for the Sunday Mirror newspaper, Mr Cook said that US President George W Bush and his Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld did not appear to know what to do now that their hopes that Iraq would swiftly capitulate had proved unfounded. They appeared to be contemplating laying siege to Baghdad, which would result in massive civilian suffering and many unnecessary deaths, he said.

Mr Cook wrote: "I have already had my fill of this bloody and unnecessary war.

“I want our troops home and I want them home before more of them are killed.”

Mr Cook, who was among 10 members of the Labour Government to resign over the war, accused Mr Bush of “sitting pretty in the comfort of Camp David” while coalition forces risked death in an “unnecessary and badly planned” war. "It is easy to show you are resolute when you are not one of the guys in a sandstorm peering around for snipers," he said.

Mr Cook went on to say that no one should start a war “on the assumption that the enemy’s army will co-operate” - but that was exactly what President Bush had done. Now the US marines had reached the outskirts of Baghdad “he does not seem to know what to do next”.

There have been suggestions that the advance on the Iraqi capital had been delayed because of Iraqi resistance and overstretched supply lines from Kuwait, up to 500 kilometres (300 miles) away. The BBC’s David Willis, who is with US marines about 160 kilometres (100 miles) south of Baghdad, says some troops have had their rations cut to just one meal a day. The Pentagon has denied there is any “pause” in the campaign.

In his article Mr Cook also raised concerns that the Iraq campaign could drag on for months. “Shortly before I resigned, a Cabinet colleague told me not to worry about the political fallout - the war would be finished long before polling day for the May local elections,” he said. “I just hope those who expected a quick victory are proved right.”

A Downing Street spokesman said Mr Cook had a well-known position on Iraq which was not shared by the government. “As the prime minister said in the press conference in Camp David, we will see the military campaign through until we achieve our objectives: that is, Saddam gone and Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction disarmed.”

“I have already had my fill of this bloody and unjust war. I want our troops home and I want them home before more of them are killed,” - Robin Cook

Cook wants troops pulled from Iraq](http://www.msn.co.uk/news/breakingnews01/) Reuters (MSN Breaking News) 30 Mar 03

Former foreign secretary Robin Cook, who quit his senior government post in protest at military action in Iraq, has called for British troops to be pulled out of the war in the Gulf. Cook, the most senior in a series of resignations from Prime Minister Tony Blair’s government over the war, said in an outspoken interview with the Sunday Mirror that the U.S.-led military action risked stoking a “long term legacy of hatred” against the West. “I have already had my fill of this bloody and unjust war. I want our troops home and I want them home before more of them are killed,” he told the newspaper in an interview. “There will be a long term legacy of hatred for the West if the Iraqi people continue to suffer from the effects of the war we started.”

Cook, who quit his cabinet post as Leader of the Commons two weeks ago, is the most high profile government member to call for troops to be brought home 10 days into the conflict. He also criticised U.S. President George W. Bush for starting a war in Iraq on the assumption that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein’s army would quickly capitulate and victory would be swift. “Nobody should start a war on the assumption that the enemy’s army will co-operate. But that is exactly what President Bush has done,” he said. Cook warned of the dangers of besieging the Iraqi capital Baghdad and urged the U.S. army to consider other tactics. “There is no more brutal form of warfare than a siege. People go hungry. The water and power to provide the sinews of a city snap. Children die.”

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Meanwhile, a new poll suggests **84% of Britons are now in favour of the war continuing until its objectives have been achieved
*. Eleven per cent of the 510 people questioned in an ICM Research poll for the News of the World newspaper said they believed troops should now be withdrawn from battle.
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Thats a huge shift, compared to pre-war polls. Spain, is still showing the reverse. So if this poll is reliable then it means, Mr Blair finally succeeded in convincing the British people to support him, while Mr Aznar is still failing in getting his people's support

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Thats a huge shift, compared to pre-war polls. Spain, is still showing the reverse. So if this poll is reliable then it means, Mr Blair finally succeeded in convincing the British people to support him, while Mr Aznar is still failing in getting his people's support
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IMO, if Spain had sent troops to Iraq the polls might have been different there too.