Uganda conflict "worse than Iraq"

man i don’t know what to say. This is so sad.

Uganda conflict ‘worse than Iraq’, BBC, 10 November 2003

The humanitarian situation in northern Uganda is worse than in Iraq, or anywhere else in the world, a senior United Nations official has said.

UN Under Secretary General for Humanitarian Affairs, Jan Egeland was speaking to the BBC after visiting the area affected by 18 years of civil war. “It is a moral outrage” that the world is doing so little for the victims of the war, especially children, he said. The rebels routinely abduct children to serve as sex slaves and fighters.

Thousands of children leave their houses in northern Uganda to sleep rough in the major towns, where they feel more safe from the threat of abduction by the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA).

The LRA, under shadowy leader Joseph Kony, says it wants to rule Uganda according to the Biblical Ten Commandments.

They often mutilate their victims, by cutting off their lips, noses or ears.

“I cannot find any other part of the world that is having an emergency on the scale of Uganda, that is getting such little international attention,” Mr Egeland told the BBC’s Focus on Africa programme.

Earlier, religious leaders from the area urged the United Nations to intervene in the conflict. “The United Nations (should) play a great role in scaling down the violence by placing peace observers in the conflict areas,” said a statement from the Acholi Religious Leaders Peace Initiative (ARLPI), after meeting Mr Egeland.

LRA gunmen last week killed at least 40 people near the north-eastern town of Lira, officials say. Some 3,000 people have fled to Lira town following the upsurge in violence. An army spokesman said the latest attacks seemed to be an act of revenge for the killing of rebel commander Charles Tabuley last month.

Lira district resident commissioner Charles Egou told the BBC that the 3,000 people were being housed in displaced person’s camps in the area. “Scores of civilians were killed at around midnight on 6 November in Alanyi and Awayopiny villages in Lira district,” Lieutenant Chris Magezi said.

Catholic missionary, Father Sabbat Ayele, told the AFP news agency that witnesses had said the rebels had beheaded some of the victims while a number of grass-thatched huts were set on fire. Thousands of civilians have been killed and more than a million others displaced by the fighting in northern Uganda alone.

Humanitarian organisations say that about 20,000 children have been abducted by the rebels over the last five years, with many taken to LRA bases in southern Sudan, where they are trained as child soldiers while the girls are turned into sex slaves.

uganda does not have oil to offer but lots of people who are not even worth a single tiny drop of oil that USA will get from iraq.

That's true, of course.

:( But what about Muslim governments? We have an obligation too, as per the Quran to, "Stand out firmly for justice....," wherever it may occur and against whomever it may occur. Because the US admin has no strategic interest in Uganda, doesn't mean that we shouldn't either. Only reason i state this is just because - i mean, what's going on in that country is really heart wrenching.. Kids being terrorized, limbs being hacked off by this rebel group, who knows how many orphans have been created, how many internally displaced people... The Muslim world too is responsible for this, (in my opinion).

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That's true, of course.

:( But what about Muslim governments? We have an obligation too, as per the Quran to, "Stand out firmly for justice....," wherever it may occur and against whomever it may occur. Because the US admin has no strategic interest in Uganda, doesn't mean that we shouldn't either. Only reason i state this is just because - i mean, what's going on in that country is really heart wrenching.. Kids being terrorized, limbs being hacked off by this rebel group, who knows how many orphans have been created, how many internally displaced people... The Muslim world too is responsible for this, (in my opinion).
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and wht about muslim governments? how many in power are actually put there by the people they claim to represent? further after 911 every single charity organization is under suspision for being linkd to al qaeda or any other muslim terrorist group. people don't feel confortable to give money to any organization as doing so can put them in trouble.

yes muslim world is responsible for no standing up to the aggressors and repressor who are amply supported by western powers. muslims can stand up against their governments but remember the whole support will come from west to derail their protests and muslims in western countries then will blame these repressed people for making their lives miserable, just what happened after 911.

Why isn't the EU helping Uganda out? Why does America have to do everything? America is busy elsewhere.

More than 60 people killed by these fundementalist terrorist group last week…

More than 60 killed in rebel attacks in northern Uganda](Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More)

The situation keeps getting worse. Whether it's the US, the Muslim governments, the EU, the Arab League, whoever - we are ALL shirking our responsibility. Imagine if 60 people of some other nationality besides Ugandan (or African), had been the ones killed - imagine if it was 60 Swedes, or 60 Brits. It would be all over the papers for days, with full page obituaries at least.

i just find it so sad. Years from now, history books will write about this moment in time when we were more concerned with Iraq and other oil-producing countries, than 'those' Africans dying in yet another African country.

I agree. Shame on the EU and other Western countries.

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Whether it's the US, the Muslim governments, the EU, the Arab League, whoever - we are ALL shirking our responsibility.
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Well said. To it's credit the Europeans have done some very good peace-keeping work in Sierra Leone, Cote d' Ivoire and DR Congo to name a few countries in the last year or so. I am not sure whether the Ugandan governement has actually called upon the international community to help against the LRA, but there have not been many condemnations by the established Christian clergy of the world against the fanaticism of the LRA.

Uganda claims it has “defeated” rebels](http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-uganda02.html)

Though it seems the evidence is to the contrary…but let’s hope that these blood thirsty fundementalist terrorists are defeated soon.

WOW! A Christian counterpart of Taliban.

Re: Uganda conflict “worse than Iraq”

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‘Uganda Has 1.7m Orphans’](http://allafrica.com/stories/200401020556.html) AllAfrica News 02 Jan 04

UGANDA has nearly two million orphans, according to the latest UNICEF report. The report, entitled Africa’s Generation of Orphans, carried out in 46 sub-Saharan states, says 1,731,000 Ugandan children are orphans, of which 1,144,000 have lost their fathers, 902,000 their mothers and 315,000 both parents…

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WOW! A Christian counterpart of Taliban.
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Yes, and one in which the Christian clergy is nowhere seen to be continually condemning these fanatics, and where those waging a "war against terrorism" give it only a secondary glance.

So what is your idea, what can we do to help? Its the duty of every person please refrain from bringing religion into it, not many are so much into helping out their "ummah". If as a person your personal morals or feelings of empathy don't compell you, the I doubt that much else will.

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So what is your idea, what can we do to help? Its the duty of every **person
* please refrain from bringing religion into it, not many are so much into helping out their "ummah". If as a person your personal morals or feelings of empathy don't compell you, the I doubt that much else will.
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I merely stated a fact. If the term "religious extremism" can be hurled against the Muslims even if a fire cracker goes off in Lalaa Moosa, then why not be impartial and apply it across the board? Do you deny whatever is going on in Uganada is not "religious extremism" and is a direct Christian counterpart of the Taliban in Afghanistan?

I did not, however, comment on whether we should help the people of Uganda or not.

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Yes, and one in which the Christian clergy is nowhere seen to be continually condemning these fanatics, and where those waging a "war against terrorism" give it only a secondary glance.
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yeah, the silence is deafening.. I wonder why no one has stepped up and condemned these actions in the strongest terms.

Isn't Uganda a muslim country?

Uganda has alot of muslims. I think the president of Uganda Yoweri Museveni is a muslim too. Christian terrorists want to rule Uganda...and thats what the war is about.

Hmmm..

Yet by the initial post....A Catholic cleric reported what is going on.

"Catholic missionary, Father Sabbat Ayele, told the AFP news agency that witnesses had said the rebels had beheaded some of the victims while a number of grass-thatched huts were set on fire. Thousands of civilians have been killed and more than a million others displaced by the fighting in northern Uganda alone. "

Re: Isn't Uganda a muslim country?

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Uganda has alot of muslims. I think the president of Uganda Yoweri Museveni is a muslim too. Christian terrorists want to rule Uganda...and thats what the war is about.
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I think Yoweri Museveni is a Christian, it's just the person he overthrew (Idi Amin) was a Muslim. Uganda is a predominantely Christian country -some 66%, while about 16% of the people are Muslims, and the rest 'animists'

A very important development for International Justice ..

ICC: Investigate All Sides in Uganda](http://allafrica.com/stories/200402040752.html) 04 Feb 04

Chance for Impartial ICC Investigation into Serious Crimes a Welcome Step

The prospect of an impartial investigation by the International Criminal Court (ICC) into serious crimes committed in Uganda is a welcome development, Human Rights Watch said today. The ICC prosecutor, Luis Moreno Ocampo, announced in London on January 29 that he would begin an ICC investigation into crimes committed in Uganda. Moreno Ocampo made the announcement at a news conference held jointly with the Ugandan president, Yoweri Museveni, whose government referred the crimes of the Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA) to the court. Uganda is the first government to refer a case to the ICC since the court began its work.