Re: U.S. speeds up direct talks with Taliban
@ali - how is it double std?
@javed - you don't think USA is a super power?
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it is double standard because whenever we tried to talk to Taliban they asked us not to do it now they are directly talking to Taliban basically accepting their defeat ALLAH O AKBAR
Re: U.S. speeds up direct talks with Taliban
That's what Taliban apologists like Imran harp about all the time. The fact is that Taliban were waging their fasaad on Afghanistan (with Pakistani and Saudi help) long before America entered the scene. And America would never have gotten involved if Taliban had not given shelter to international fasaadis who were targeting American interests.
Bottom line is that Taliban's fasaad against Muslims is independent of America's involvement.
Well I have my own opinion on things, it might be wrong but many people in pakistan do have this kind of views about the war. If it's our war we should fight it ourselves and not look to Americans for approval or funding.
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Maybe I am also a taleban apologist or a member of the honor brigade
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Is this US not playing a double game by negotiating with the Taliban which has killed so many people in Afghanistan & Pakistan?
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If it's our war we should fight it ourselves and not look to Americans for approval or funding.
Agreed with the part that we should not need outsiders to help fight our war. But there are two problems:
- there wouldn't have been the need for Americans to get involved if we had not created this monster with Saudi help in the first place. So it is a little difficult for me to believe that we will not do the same thing again if outsiders are not involved. But again, in theory I do agree with you.
- people who want outsiders (Americans) out, stop right there. They do not go one more step and say that we should fight this war on our own. This gives an idea that their only aim is to throw out outsiders but then again turn a blind eye to extremism being nurtured in Pak by our "brothers", the "other" outsiders from Middle East.
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Well I have my own opinion on things, it might be wrong but many people in pakistan do have this kind of views about the war. If it's our war we should fight it ourselves and not look to Americans for approval or funding.
Pakistan absolutely should. Other parties can help but the fight is yours. Has been for a decade, except your army has seen it as a way to make money and play games.
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La P:
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Has been for a decade, except your army has seen it as a way to make money and play games.
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I disagree that army did it for the purpose you just cited. They did it for ideological and religious reasons. And army was not alone.
But the good thing is that those days are over.
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LP:
on the descent but still IS. Chinese still try to steal technology from US.
Chinese still hold mostly dollars. Chinese still clamor to stock the shelves in
Walmart,
India still wants H1B visas. India still clamors for tech deals, university
seats, uranium
Every country in the world awaits call from Obama.
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Right On, we do note care about third World Slum Dogs...........:D
We only cares about Moolah.....................:)
or friends of Moolah Umar..................:D
Re: U.S. speeds up direct talks with Taliban
"The Obama administration is “getting more sure” that the contacts currently underway are with those who have a direct line to Mullah Omar."
Isn't this double dealing by US, something they have accused Pakistan of.
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Come on, dont add you bias to this debate. We know you are Indian, but your assumptions on Pakistan’s motives are baseless.
Pakistan has always supported the Taliban because of strategic reasons. This started well before America decided they were terrorists (although now they are trusted partners in peace again 
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Should Pakistan simply abandon its strategic interests whenever America decides these interests are running in opposition to the US?
If anything, this whole situation only justifies what the ISI, senior Army and govt people had thought from the beginning. Ultimately, the US will be defeated (and yes, allowing Taliban back in charge, in whatever degree, is a defeat), and the will have to give up on their opposition to the Taliban. The US has been proven to be a fickle in the past. If anything, this has vindicated the Pakistani establishment, who knew that ultimately the war would have to end in a compromise with the Taliban.
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taliban control more than 80% of afghanistan.. when invader has tail between legs especially during spring offensive (by taliban), it spreads baseless rumors about cooperation to trick the defensive ranks. at end it never works!
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During the past 2-3 days many NATO forces have been killed in Afghanistan, and this is the result…what will be the impact of this its your guess…
Nato air strikes kill 52 Afghans
Updated at: 1506 PST, Sunday, May 29, 2011
KANDAHAR:** Afghan authorities said Sunday Nato had killed 52 people, mostly civilians, in air strikes against insurgents as violence picked up in recent weeks with the start of the fighting season.**
In the southern province of Helmand, local authorities said at least 14 civilians, including women and children, were killed and six injured in an air raid Saturday.
US Marines in Helmand’s Nawzad district called in air support after their base came under attack from small arms fire, the provincial government said in a statement.
“During the air strike, two civilian houses were targeted which killed 14 civilians and six others were wounded,” it said.
The statement said the dead included five girls, seven boys and two women.
“ISAF are aware of the reports that civilians were allegedly killed in an ISAF air strike,” Major Tim James, a spokesman for the Nato-led International Security Assistance Force, said.
“(The) Regional Command South West has sent a joint assessment team to the area to look into the allegation and they will issue their findings to the press.”
Aslam, a local elder of Nawzad district, said he “lost 12 relatives while 10 others including children were injured” in the air strike.
He said some shots were fired at ISAF helicopters which flew into the area, adding that the choppers returned after 10 to 20 minutes and fired rockets, killing the “innocent civilians”.
According to him, five children, five men and two women were killed in the attack.
Separately the governor of Nuristan on Sunday said that 18 civilians and 20 police were killed by “friendly fire” during US-led air strikes against insurgents in his troubled northeastern province.
Nuristan was the scene of heavy battles last week between the Taliban and Afghan security forces. The police and civilians were targeted Wednesday after they were mistaken for militants, Jamaluddin Badr said.
“The policemen were killed due to friendly fire,” Badr said, adding the air strike in the troubled district of Do Ab targeted a location that the officers “had just” taken from the insurgents during fighting.
“Civilians were killed because the Taliban… (who) ran out of ammunition fled into the civilians’ houses and then the civilians were mistaken with the Taliban and fired upon,” the governor said.
Major James said those allegations were also being investigated.
“ISAF has sent a fact-finding team to investigate the allegations about civilian and police casualties in Nuristan,” he said.
“Our initial reporting does not indicate civilian casualties in that air strike,” he added.
Civilian casualties in the US-led war against Al-Qaeda-linked Taliban insurgents is a sensitive issue and one of the main causes of a widening drift between President Hamid Karzai and his US backers.
Karzai on Saturday ordered Defence Minister Abdul Rahim Wardak to take over control of night raids from the Nato forces.
**Karzai’s administration says most civilian casualties occur during such operations and that night raids of civilian homes drive war-weary Afghans against his already-fragile administration.
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There are around 130,000 Nato-led foreign troops in Afghanistan, fighting a Taliban-led insurgency launched after the 2001 invasion brought down their regime in Kabul. (AFP)