U.S. pulling out of South Korea...

U.S. pulling out of South Korea…

SEOUL, South Korea – The United States is to move its forces back from the highly-fortified Demiltarized Zone dividing South and North Korea, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said.Although no timetable had been set, the process would begin “as soon as possible” Rumsfeld said after holding high-level joint security talks on realignment of U.S. forces on the Korean peninsula. The relocation would form part of a sweeping reorganization of U.S. troops across Asia. “Any changes to U.S. military posture in Northeast Asia will be the product of consultation with our key allies. Most importantly, they will result in an increased U.S. capability in the region,” Rumsfeld told a press conference Monday in Seoul.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/11/17/skorea.rumsfeld/index.html

Not any time soon...

The pull-back to the southern areas is a good idea. Keeping people on the line is useless as they will simply be mowed down before they can mobilize should an attack occur. Also, there are better locations for big, noisy bases in the south. One of the big complaints is interference up north, the Americans are taking up some prime real estate in downtown Seoul. This move is going to happen, but it's going to be slow because the US will have to renegotiate their Status of Forces Agreement. This does not at all mean they are leaving country or even have plans, actually it's part of a larger plan to expand military coverage into SE Asia.

Little Kim (With Big radio active rod) has only two demands for the loser in the whitehouse.

  1. Renounce terrorism
  2. Comply

Please read all about it, long but very interesting, time muslims learn a lesson.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/FC02Dg04.html

Talks aside, North Korea won’t give up nukes
By Yoel Sano

The long-awaited second round of “six-way talks” over North Korea’s nuclear-weapons program ended, as expected, without agreement in Beijing, and a real solution to the dispute appears to be as distant as ever. It is therefore worth considering seriously the possibility that North Korea has decided once and for all that possession of nuclear weapons is the country’s surest form of defense - namely against Washington - and that negotiations are merely aimed at buying time for building up its stockpile.

Pyongyang has suggested such a nuclear-stockpile defensive strategy previously, and an examination of its behavior over the past decade and the increasingly adverse geopolitical environment facing leader Kim Jong-il’s regime certainly points to this outcome: ** Talk but don’t give up nukes. **

This conclusion is reinforced by the fact that in the six months since the first round of talks, there has been no meaningful shift in the position of the two protagonists: the United States and North Korea.

Herein lies the crux of the problem: if North Korea possesses nuclear weapons - and it is believed already to have from two to five - then the United States’ ultimate fears come closer to reality; if North Korea abandons its nukes, its own ultimate fears of US hostile intentions come closer to reality. The truth of the matter is that neither side trusts the other, making it virtually impossible to conduct sincere and productive negotiations.

** Pyongyang’s fears are fueled by US attacks on countries without nuclear weapons: Iraq, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia. Thus, in its view, possessing nuclear weapons is the ultimate guarantee that the US will not entertain any ideas about invading and bringing about regime change in Pyongyang itself. North Korea’s nukes warn Washington that there will be a very high price to pay if the United States were ever to attack. That price could well be the destruction of US bases in South Korea and Japan, or attacks on Seoul and Tokyo, or even Los Angeles and San Francisco - if Pyongyang succeeds in developing a fully intercontinental ballistic missile. North Korea’s current longest-range missile, the Taepodong 2, can “only” reach Alaska. ** * 100 percent on the mark *

The latest round of talks looks surprisingly similar to the previous session: the US continues to demand a complete, verifiable, and irreversible dismantling (CVID) of North Korea’s nuclear program - or rather, programs. Pyongyang actually has two nuclear programs: one based on plutonium, which was officially frozen in 1994, the other based on uranium, the existence of which is more ambiguous and not acknowledged by North Korea.

Washington’s calibrated response: No! No! No!
** In return for CVID, North Korea wants the United States to sign a formal non-terrorism ** treaty, establish full bilateral diplomatic relations, and provide Pyongyang with billions of dollars’ worth of economic and energy assistance. Washington is unwilling to reward North Korea for halting a nuclear program that it believes should never have been started in the first place.

As such, the closest thing to progress in the latest round has been North Korea’s confirmed willingness to freeze its official nuclear plutonium-enrichment program, which it restarted in December 2002 after a diplomatic row with the US. This resulted after visiting US officials claimed that Pyongyang had admitted to them in October of that year that it was operating a parallel uranium-based nuclear program. North Korea denied such an admission, and continues to deny the existence of the uranium project. The fact that it does so makes it impossible to negotiate the issue. Not only that, but Pyongyang’s offer

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The first, though least important, is prestige. For any country, possession of nuclear weapons confers a degree of status, showing that it has the scientific, technological and military know-how required to put together the ultimate weapon. This is especially true in North Korea's case, since the country can boast precious few achievements of any kind in recent years, or even decades. Without nukes, or even suspected nukes, North Korea would probably be another Myanmar, routinely condemned for its atrocious human-rights record, but generally isolated and ignored in the region and by the wider world.

The second reason is to use it as a bargaining chip in relations with the United States, South Korea, or Japan - North Korea's principal enemies and adversaries. Those nations' policymakers who favor a negotiated solution to the nuclear issue suggest that Pyongyang will build up a nuclear arsenal, then trade it away for diplomatic and economic concessions. The trouble is, once these concessions have been won, there is no way to guarantee that North Korea has given up its nuclear-weapons program without verification. And even if "verification" takes place, Pyongyang can pursue - indeed, has been pursuing - a covert nuclear program, to which it allegedly admitted in October 2002, this despite having pledged to suspend nuclear activities eight years earlier.

The third and real reason for North Korea's pursuit of nuclear weapons is the security of the country, and by extension the regime of Kim Jong-il. This has been confirmed by high-level defectors such as former diplomat Ko Yong-hwan, by Kang Myong-do (the son-in-law of former prime minister Kang Song-san), and even by Kim Jong-il's former Japanese sushi chef, Kenji Fujimoto.

In this regard, 1991 must be seen as a turning point. Although Pyongyang had already embarked on its weapons program by that time in order to gain a decisive military edge over its southern neighbor, it must have been alarmed by two major international developments: the US-led Gulf War to expel Iraqi forces from Kuwait in January-February of that year, and the collapse of the Soviet Union - for years North Korea's main patron - by the end of the year.

New global environment demands new security
These events, coupled with the fact that its other former patron, China, was busy pressing ahead with "heretical", capitalist economic reforms, sent a strong message to North Korean leaders that the only real defense of the regime lay in possession of nuclear weapons. Neither Russia nor China - which had come to North Korea's assistance in the Korean War (1950-53) - was interested in doing so again.

Certainly, the international climate in the 1990s reinforced this view. The US almost went to war with North Korea over the nuclear issue in the summer of 1994. In addition, in December 1998 the United States and the United Kingdom launched Operation Desert Fox, in which four nights of air strikes targeted Iraq's suspected WMD sites, apparently aimed at triggering a coup to unseat president Saddam Hussein.

Four months later, in March 1999, the US and its North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) allies launched Operation Allied Force against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, in support of the country's ethnic-Albanian population in the province of Kosovo. Seventy-eight days of air strikes followed, resulting in billions of dollars of economic and industrial damage to Yugoslavia, with very little loss to NATO forces. This was followed by the occupation of Kosovo by tens of thousands of NATO troops.

Again, from October to December 2001, the US and its allies went into action, this time against Afghanistan's ruling Taliban regime, resulting in its overthrow, and replacement by a pro-Western government. While this was retaliation for the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, the apparent ease with which US forces prevailed - where Soviet forces had fared so poorly in the 1980s - must have alarmed North Korea's leaders.

Less than two years after that, in March 2003, the US invaded Iraq, and deposed Saddam within three weeks, with far fewer losses than predicted by naysayers.

** Lesson: US only attacks countries without nukes
It cannot have been lost on Pyongyang that all of the nations attacked by the US lacked nuclear weapons. Judging by the United States' kid-glove treatment of North Korea in comparison to the punishment meted out on Iraq in early 2003, both Washington and Pyongyang understand this situation clearly.

So giving up nuclear weapons appears out of the question, regardless of negotiations. ** * Kim is smart, very smart.. speaks the language terrorist understand *

According to the late Robert Bartley, of the Wall Street Journal, the 1994 "Agreed Framework" - under which North Korea officially suspended its nuclear-weapons program in return for the provision of two new reactors less suited for weapons production, and the supply of 500,000 tons of US oil per year to compensate for energy losses - was actually the fourth time, of at least six occasions in total, that the US had officially "solved" the problem with North Korea.

Bartley noted that the first time was in 1985, when US president Ronald Reagan persuaded Pyongyang to sign the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). On the second occasion, in 1991, president George H W Bush removed all US tactical nuclear weapons from South Korea, thereby giving less reason for Pyongyang to worry about a US nuclear attack. The third time, in 1993, president Bill Clinton persuaded Pyongyang to submit its nuclear program to international inspection. The fifth "solution", in late 1994, was a formal affirmation of the Jimmy Carter-brokered deal in the summer that led to the nuclear freeze. The sixth solution in 1999 allowed for US inspection of a suspected underground nuclear site at Kumchang-ri, which turned out to be empty.

What is surprising is that from October 2002, Pyongyang suddenly became much more open about its nuclear-weapons program. Whereas previously North Korea had tended to deny that it possessed or was seeking to develop nuclear weapons, its alleged admission to visiting US officials in October that it was operating a secret nuclear program suggested a new brazenness in its approach to relations with the US.

Indeed, BBC Monitoring (the wing of the British Broadcasting Corp that monitors and translates foreign radio and television broadcasts) reported on November 17, 2002, that Radio Pyongyang had for the first time stated that North Korea possessed nuclear weapons. South Korean commentators were more skeptical, however, suggesting that the BBC had mistranslated a broadcast in which Pyongyang had merely stated a right to possess nukes.

Pyongyang goes public on nukes as US plans Iraq war
Either way, the timing of the broadcast was hardly a coincidence. With the United States already laying the diplomatic and military groundwork for an attack on Iraq, North Korea apparently was hoping to demonstrate that the US could not deal with two major crises at the same time.

Further, Pyongyang also appeared to have been warning Washington that it too could brandish its nuclear arsenal, after President George W Bush's February 2002 designation of North Korea as a member of the "axis of evil", along with Iraq and Iran. It was also probably motivated by the revelation in the US media in March 2002 that North Korea was one of seven countries that the US might attack with nuclear weapons, under the

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Pentagon’s Nuclear Posture Review - the other listed countries: China, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Russia and Syria.

That document stated that a US nuclear strike might be launched in retaliation for the use of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, or under circumstances in which a target could withstand a conventional attack - or merely “in the event of surprising military developments”.

After the collapse of Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq, Kim Jong-il is one of the last dictators presiding over a regime that publicly opposes the United States. True, there is still Alyaksandr Lukashenko in Belarus, Fidel Castro in Cuba, and Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, but they are all regarded as eccentric nuisances rather than serious strategic challenges. Meanwhile, the US seems to be quietly reaching an accommodation with the ayatollahs of Iran, while largely ignoring Bashar al-Assad of Syria.

This leaves Kim Jong-il in a precarious position, one that might be getting worse by the month, especially with President Bush on record as stating that he “loathes Kim Jong-il”.

Iraq aside, Pyongyang saw ominous US moves in 2003
Although the US was preoccupied in Iraq during most of 2003, other developments on the Korean Peninsula suggested that North Korea might well have grounds to fear America’s military wrath at some stage.

For a start, the United States was pressing ahead with redeployment of its troops in South Korea away from the inter-Korean Demilitarized Zone (DMZ), where they are vulnerable to North Korea’s 13,000 artillery guns located just north of the zone. This move is part of a broader restructuring of US forces in Asia and it also seeks to reduce the US military presence in Seoul at a time when anti-Americanism is on the rise in South Korea. Pyongyang, however, may well interpret this as a sign the US is pulling its troops out of harm’s way as a prelude to an attack on North Korea.

Fueling Pyongyang’s paranoia as well as legitimate fear, in July last year US News and World Report magazine carried a story outlining a new US military plan, known as Operational Plan 5030, whereby Washington could seek to bring about regime change in Pyongyang by carrying out massive military exercises. These maneuvers would be designed to sow confusion in the minds of North Korean military leaders and deplete the country’s war reserves - without the need actually to attack the country.

Reinforcing Pyongyang’s unease, that same week the former Speaker of South Korea’s National Assembly, Park Kwan-yong, published his memoirs, revealing that that during the 1994 near-war on the Korean Peninsula, the Clinton administration considered a preemptive strike on North Korean nuclear facilities - without giving prior notice to the South Korean government. That meant that Pyongyang could not even rely on its southern kinsmen to restrain the US, if it came to war.

US article calls for 4,000 daily ‘shock and awe’ sorties
Less than a month after these revelations, former US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) director R James Woolsey and retired Lieutenant-General Thomas McInerney, the former assistant vice chief of staff of the US Air Force, penned an article in the Wall Street Journal advocating the viability of the military option against North Korea. They suggested that the country could be bombed at a rate of 4,000 sorties a day, compared with 800 a day in the “shock and awe” campaign against Iraq in 2003. They also stated that US marines could quickly capture Pyongyang itself, and defeat North Korea decisively in 30-60 days.

Although neither of the two men holds any official position, Woolsey is known to be close to neo-conservative elements who are influential with the Bush administration, and who favor a hardline position toward Pyongyang. Among them, former Pentagon adviser Richard Perle is opposed to the US ruling out the “Osirak option”, a reference to the Israeli air force destruction of Iraq’s main nuclear reactor at Osirak in a lightning air strike in 1981.

Against this backdrop, therefore, it is hardly surprising that North Korea has gone to such great lengths to build nuclear weapons. Indeed, the leadership has literally followed former Pakistani president Zia ul-Haq’s pledge that his country would develop nuclear weapons even if it meant that his citizens would have to eat grass to survive. Hunger and starvation are grave and endemic problems in North Korea.

Although North Korea refrained from testing a nuclear device on the 55th anniversary of the founding of the communist state last September, as some had feared, Pyongyang announced in October that it had finally finished reprocessing 8,000 nuclear fuel rods from which to build dozens of nuclear weapons.

** Pyongyang: Nukes only for deterrence, self-defense against terrorism **
This led North Korean officials to speak even more openly about possessing nuclear weapons. Vice Foreign Minister Choe Su-hon told reporters in October that Pyongyang would only ever use the bomb as deterrence, and would not pass nuclear weapons on to third parties. Similarly, ** North Korea’s ambassador to the UK, Ri Yong-ho, told Reuters that Pyongyang’s nuclear deterrent was ready for use and capable of deterring any US attack, but that it would be used only in self-defense.

None of this sits well in Washington. Yet the US may have no choice but to tolerate a nuclear North Korea if it is to avoid a devastating war on the Korean Peninsula. ** :smiley: In the meantime, after the lack of progress in the second round of six-way talks, Pyongyang has bought itself at least another four months of breathing space until June. During this time it can press ahead and build up its nuclear arsenal, probably betting on the fact that with US forces tied down in Iraq and Afghanistan - and with presidential elections due this November - there will be “no war in '04” on the Korean Peninsula.

** Even if the United States were to offer North Korea a comprehensive security guarantee and full diplomatic relations, it is not clear that this would be enough for Pyongyang to give up its nukes. The US had diplomatic relations with Iraq and Yugoslavia in 1990 and 1998, but this did not preclude war in the following years. Similarly, a non-aggression treaty lasts only as long as there is no aggression. Given the unilateral US abrogation of the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty - which for many years was the cornerstone of US-Soviet “mutually assured destruction” (MAD) - Pyongyang may well conclude that US treaties are meaningless. ** :k:

Ronald Reagan stated back in the 1980s that to keep the United States safe from Soviet attack, his country could rely either on Soviet promises or US technology, and that he’d bet on the latter any day. In 2004, it seems that Kim Jong-il is betting on Korean technology.

Yoel Sano has worked for publishing houses in London, providing political, security and economic analysis, and has been following North Korea, as well as other Northeast Asian developments, for more than 10 years.

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I see the United States is still scared of North Korea? Why else would it talk and just talk to little Kim, while also moving troops back from the DMZ?

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I see the United States is still scared of North Korea? Why else would it talk and just talk to little Kim, while also moving troops back from the DMZ?
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I had to hand it to Little Kim... He has two nuclear weapons programs one in the open a plutonium based route for negotiations, even though he has already processed 8017 rods for the monkey. A second secret uranium based path which Kim is now denying. When US accuses Kim of the secret facility, Kim reminds monkey about Iraqs WMD with several facilities all over the place. The whole BS talk show falls threw the cracks and Kim goes back to extending the length of his radio active rod.

China, NK and Russia made no secret about the outcome of latest round, a failure. US is jumping up and down as a success or is it SUCKcess.. This is what you call loser talk or as they say back home "baghtey choor ki langoti sahyee"

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I had to hand it to Little Kim... He has two nuclear weapons programs one in the open a plutonium based route for negotiations, even though he has already processed 8017 rods for the monkey. A second secret uranium based path which Kim is now denying. When US accuses Kim of the secret facility, Kim reminds monkey about Iraqs WMD with several facilities all over the place. The whole BS talk show falls threw the cracks and Kim goes back to extending the length of his radio active rod.
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Interesting. But the question is what will the United States do if it does not get what it wants in the talks? It has been talking on and off to NK about it's nuclear programme since 1994, but all the time little Kim has continued development of WMD.

The American's dare not even go to the United Nations, or slap meaningful sanctions against North Korea, probably in the fear of provoking a reaction against US forces in the south?

Little Kim (with big big radio active rod) is not alone in his observations, please read.

http://www.atimes.com/front/DD06Aa02.html

** Only the Indians made a public note of this reality, when India’s Defense Minister George Fernandes is reported to have observed that if you want to tangle with the United States, make sure that you have nuclear weapons. ** :k:

Quite a few countries have just started to learn the lingo that terrorist understand… good job… finally there will be peace… Just like Chinese decissively defeated terrorism in their back yard in the 50s and 60s, unless the same model is repeated in the ME there is no chance of peace.

Any update on these talks between little Kim's people and the yanks?

When is America going to liberate North Korea? :)

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When is America going to liberate North Korea? :)
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When the cows come home.

Mind you they did try to liberate NK in 1950 but then little Kim was way too much to handle even without a radio active rod. With a radio active rod you can imagine what he will do to monkey the cocky boy from texas.

seems to me....

it seems to me that the US politicians, completely terrified by the koreans, are too blind by their own dogmatic methods to see the point of "little Kim's" Nuclear Weapons programs: to earn a place in the world that would buy them the respect they lost with their horribly failing economy, starving masses, widespread government corruption, lies, and failure to live up to even the most simple communist / marxist ideals.