U.S. Airports to fingerprint international visitors

Be it a Muslim or non-Muslim…

DALLAS, Texas (AP) – Foreigners entering U.S. airports and seaports – except those from Western Europe and a handful of other countries – will soon have their fingerprints scanned and their photographs snapped as part of a new program designed to enhance border security.

The program, to be up and running on January 5 at all 115 airports that handle international flights and 14 major seaports, will let Customs officials instantly check an immigrant or visitor’s criminal background.

The program, called US-VISIT, or U.S. Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology, will check an estimated 24 million foreigners each year, though some will be repeat visitors.

The only exceptions will be visitors from 28 countries – mostly European nations whose citizens are allowed to come to the United States for up to 90 days without visas.

Inkless fingerprints will be taken and checked instantly against a national digital database for criminal backgrounds and any terrorist lists. The process will be repeated when the foreigners leave the country as an extra security measure and to ensure they complied with visa limitations.

“I think people have come to understand that an increase to security is necessary,” said U.S. Homeland Security spokesman Bill Strassberger.

The foreigners will be fingerprinted and photographed when they enter the country.

Strassberger said once screeners become proficient, the extra security will take only 10 to 15 seconds per person. Foreign travelers also will continue to pass through regular Customs points and answer questions.

Photographs will be used to help create a database for law enforcement. The travel data is supposed to be securely stored and made available only to authorized officials on a need-to-know basis.

A similar program is to be installed at 50 land border crossings by the end of next year, Strassberger said.

The American Civil Liberties Union, which has been critical of several steps the Bush administration has taken to track or question foreigners since the terrorist attacks, said it was reserving judgment on the new system.

“The government hasn’t explained exactly how it’s going to work,” said Lee Galernt, the ACLU’s senior staff counsel.

The Department of Homeland Security raised the nation’s terror-attack warning to its second-highest level on Sunday, but plans to photograph and fingerprint foreigners were in place before that.

Unlike airports, many crossing points have no security and no warning of when travelers will arrive or depart, said Dennis Nixon, president of the International Bank of Commerce-Laredo.

“There has to be a process in place at the borders that can deal consistently with the transient traveler that goes back and forth,” Nixon said. “And there are hundreds of millions of people crossing the border each day, so it’s a huge logistical difference.”

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TRAVEL/12/23/airport.security.ap/index.html

I think this plan will only be around for a little time in its present form, more sophisticted biometric recognition equipment should be out in the next few years.

I think its just fair, as long as the people doing this are profesional and courteous to people.

Why do they feel the need to make exceptions? The shoe-bomber and the Zacharias Massaouvi (sp?) guy were UK and French citizens, no? Were they any less threat than some Abdullah Akbar holding Indian passport? I will disagree. First of all, using someone's passport to determine if he/she is a threat is kinda odd. And on top, making exceptions to Europeans, while reasonable, is not needed if the aim is to make US secure.

Although, I would think with time, US security agencies will be in a better position to profile suspects. Even those with US passports or permanent resident status can be a suspect. I think the US government should make sure they have a finger print of every person in US on records, and cross-check those as part of entry/exit process from US, regardless of what passport the person is carrying. End of story.

everyone gets their mug shot talen in pakistan's airports.

they have a pretty darn good tech solution..

so.. there are countries already doing it.

at least the police states of middle east where you have to get an 'exit visa' .. and no 'visit' visa. .. are spared this..

Re: U.S. Airports to fingerprint international visitors

:konfused: Do they have fingerprint of ALL terrorists, criminals, potential terrorists, potential criminals? How will they block or identify a lets say a sleeper terrorist or someone who hasn’t done anything yet from mid-East, Asia etc?

hmm

can you identify a sleeper terrorist?

if you can please tell us..

That is exactly his point. You cant pin point who is who. Thus even if you finger print them, they can still enter and do whatever they wish. The idea actually has no deterent affect on sleeper terrorists or new members the US administration doesnt know about.

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That is exactly his point. You cant pin point who is who. Thus even if you finger print them, they can still enter and do whatever they wish. The idea actually has no deterent affect on sleeper terrorists or new members the US administration doesnt know about.
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Right, and all this "finger print at immigration" is an act of calming down public (in case they ask what govt is doing for Orange alert).

cm

yeah. but when someone does something.. you can track them and their whole merry little gang so they cant do more 'fitna'.

Put it this way, they arent stupid enough to enter at the same time. And they certainly arent stupid to get caught together, if Al-Qaeda is as smart as the US says it is.

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yeah. but when someone does something.. you can track them and their whole merry little gang so they cant do more 'fitna'.
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So what was US able to do of those 19 hijackers? They are dead already. Taking finger prints is not a deterrent. It may be used afterwards, if there is any (God forbid)... but then they already found out the 19 hijackers, who they were, along with a passport.

do not underestimate the powers of the dark side....

cm .. there is something known as justice and retribution..

anyways.. who the frigg said the would bl***y enter at the same time.

its so easy to track movement of people of where they had been if you really want to.

plus the fingerprint would help in future when you need to obtain evidence

Blackzero, if the man is dead and has carried out his dead. What retribution. How will this fingerprinting actually help stop terrorist attacks? That is the bottom line.

by dismantling his organisation by tracking down the network of his associates.

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That is exactly his point. You cant pin point who is who. Thus even if you finger print them, they can still enter and do whatever they wish. The idea actually has no deterent affect on sleeper terrorists or new members the US administration doesnt know about.
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This is more of an immigration thing rather than an anti-terror move. Youre right, those that plan such massive attacks know their ways in and out. The bad thing is, in busy airports such as Ohare, there is one small room in which they do this, and there will be more people now waiting in line, and are bound to miss their connecting flights, at the port of entry to the US.

Spock, if its an immigrant procedure its just as stupid. Why fingerprint innocent people when it wont affect if terrorist can strike or not. However i can see alot of abuse of these powers. Planting fingerprints, tampering with evidence etc.

hmm

i wonder how one can create fingerprints from a database and plant them somewhere else..

have you created some new technology CM?

patent it now.. it could be worth a lotta money..

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Spock, if its an immigrant procedure its just as stupid. Why fingerprint innocent people when it wont affect if terrorist can strike or not. However i can see alot of abuse of these powers. Planting fingerprints, tampering with evidence etc.
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Well, it seems stupid to me too, and a major waste of time, but if you read about the overhaul of the INS into a totally new dept. and all, and things such as the SEVIS system, it will all make sense. Earlier the immigration officers used the picture as the means of identification by looking at the passports. This was flawed, so now when the issue the visa, lets say in Pakistan, they fingerprint a person, and then at the port of entry he is finger printed again to make sure hes the person who was issued the visa.

The only problem with this system is that its too time consuming, and people need to squeeze in a 3-4 time window in their connecting flights.

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hmm

i wonder how one can create fingerprints from a database and plant them somewhere else..

have you created some new technology CM?

patent it now.. it could be worth a lotta money..
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Do you think the underground criminals don't have any technology?

Once you have a fingerprint, can't you make an impression of it on a die? then print rubber-gloves with that print? how difficult would that be?

Blackzero some general knowledge for you. Fingerprints can not be wiped off. They can only be smuged (spelling?) It requires a chemical to dissolve a fingerprint off something. When fingerprinting someone you can easily transfer the finger print like Changez has said. Its common knowledge.

Rather i am thinking more along the lines of linking incorrect fingerprints. You have a white american do something, and instead the police states that Abdullah something or the other is responsible and we got his fingerprints right here.