Re: Two interesting statements - Danish Ambassador to PK
FReedom of religion to Jews and Xtians. Qadianis are not covered. They are an insult to Islam and in clear conflict with fundementals tenets of Al Islam, Al Koran and the Sunnah. They are dogs, and frankly should be treated as such.
Re: Two interesting statements - Danish Ambassador to PK
Maybe there are religions that feel the same way about Muslims.
Re: Two interesting statements - Danish Ambassador to PK
The Danish ambassador, if indeed he said that in Pakistan, needs to be sent back to Denmark and told to read up a little bit about the country he is an ambassador to. BTW, a lesson in Freedom of Speech and Hate Speech is in order as well. Once he knows the difference he may be allowed to come back.
Re: Two interesting statements - Danish Ambassador to PK
Maybe, then let them face us head-on. And not hide there sentiments behind geo-politics.
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You must be 10 years old. Isn't this exactly what is happening? No one is hiding their "sentiments behind geo-politics". Some satirists, with their cartoon, are telling you exactly what they think about Muslims. The old saying goes, "a picture is worth a thousand words", but I suppose in your case it should be "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink".
You obviously are the exact reason why the depiction is completely valid. You are an extremist who espouse animosity towards other religious groups. You are completely intolerant towards toward your own countrymen. You hate jews, you have in previous posts welcomed more 9/11 and 7/7.
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From a previous post of yours, I gather you live in Texas. In the US, hate speech = free speech. In the US, the right of newspapers to print the cartoon is protected. Just as there are rights of neo-nazi to print and spread their hate. There are countless Supreme Court rulings that bear this out to be true. In the US, you can deny the holocaust all you want....just ask Noam Chompsky.
If a US newspaper was dumb enough to print this cartoon, would you have Musharraf tell the American ambassador to go back to the US and learn the difference between hate speech and free speech? Are you really saying that Pakistan, a dictatorship, knows more about personal liberties than the United States?
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we may not know about personal liberties but we do respect, beliefs be it monotheistic or polytheistic.
Live and let live!
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Ahh you again… Once again taking things out of context. The post here is about the Denmark ambassador making excuses for the publishers of the cartoons to the people of Pakistan. Since any reasonable person in this world will recognize that these cartoons are indeed hate speech and done purely to insult Islam one would distance themselves from this. The ambassador did exactly the opposite.
Yes, in the U.S. there is freedom of speech. One can say whatever the hell they want, but they also realize that others have the right to respond. Precisely the reason why U.S. publications have stayed away from publishing the cartoons. They have the right to publish them, but they also realize that they will be responded to as well. Now I have said countless times, again and again. Violence cannot be used to respond to hate speech. You can voice your reaction to such publications, quit buying their papers and if the governments of those nations don’t condemn such things, boycott those countries as well.
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Whatever.
If, for the most part, non-violent protests and boycotting can't get the message across, then nothing will.
Trying to change Western preconceived notions of Muslims (as if the jury is still out...whatever) is like watering a buck in hopes of growing a money tree. Not going to happen.
Now, if Muslims just realized that Westerners hate them because gasp, we're different...then they'll realize the futility of their protesting...
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Now, if Muslims just realized that Westerners hate them because gasp, we're different...then they'll realize the futility of their protesting...
In your view is that why Muslims hate westerners as well or do they have a logical, justifiable or even dogmatic reason?
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Link to muslim newspapers making fun of Jesus or Moses. Until then your points are useless.
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good one.
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Oh, so people being prevented from practicing their religion freely is not nearly as bad as drawing a cartoon? Get real. The intolerant have no grounds or basis for demanding tolerance from others. So anyone is SA needs to just sit down and shut up about these cartoons.
Your argument fails on another point, Jesus and Moses are Islamic prohpets as well and it is against their tradition to make caricatures of them.
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yes wasn't long before his real feelings came out. Islamophobic to the Tee.
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He has a point but he should be kicked out just for his arrogance.
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Seminole,
I think this cartoon, for the average person protesting who has absoloutely no encounter with the West, is a good enough reason.
Here we have this insult coming out of the blue, hitting at people in a deep and profound way. People who have done NOTHING to you. They don't hate you. They just want to put bread on the table, live life...do whatever it is they do. They don't watch TV...could care less about what happens half way across the world.
And then word comes that some gimp in Denmark made these cartoons, and behold the Danish government (the voice of the Danish people) is not only ignoring the complaints lodged by Muslims, but is actually supportive of the cartoons.
Then comes a second publishing. Now this guy is pissed, takes to the street. And then what? Call for understandings? A distancing from those who incite hate against him? Nope. Indignation. They complain cause a few hundred bozos lit up an embassy here or there, and just like before, ignore the outcry.
And now we got other average joes from across the world pretty much telling us we have no right to be mad, or whatever.
Now what's this guy supposed to think?
Don't get me wrong. I DO NOT want to see you out in the streets protesting. That you support the cartoonist is a different matter, so it would be silly to expect me to see you out in the streets against the cartoons.
But even those that do not support the cartoons, I'm content with that. They don't have to raise their voice. Not because I wouldn't appreciate the gesture, it's because I have no right to demand from THEM an apology for all the asshol*s who hate.
As for those who try to turn this around, and repeat the demand for Muslim penance for an act that they had nothing to do with...there is no pleasing these types. They're haters...and I simply don't understand this desire for some Muslims to appease these people.
That's why I think it's a waste of time to protest, and as of late, I'm thinking the whole boycott thing is stupid too because it may be punishing those Danes who, just like the average joe in say Morocco or Pakistan, wants to put bread on the table.
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How about getting filled with wisdom, maturity and a brain? Emotional adolescent immaturity may sound good, but it makes you seem stupid at best, and barbaric at worst.
Dude, send me a picture of your mom...let me doctor it to be all lewed like...maybe having sex with you or something, and plaster it all over the internet.
Let's see how quick you are to quote Voltaire then.
The cartoons were just as childish and disgusting, and most importantly just as personal. Hide behind free speech like a coward if you must.
I mean, are you suggesting you now support anti-semetic cartoons? Or are you content with the duplicity, since Muslim news papers seem to?
I suppose this is all about the race downwards now days...
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Your argument fails on another point, Jesus and Moses are Islamic prohpets as well and it is against their tradition to make caricatures of them.
Semi, you are an intelligent fella, so i am hoping you will get my point.
Yes, I am real when i say this: We dont care if Europe and America become christian fundoo states and prohibit the practice of any religion except christianity*(1)*. And when I say "we," i mean the vast majority of 1.2 billion muslims not living in the west. Trust me, muslims in Beirut and Maldives dont care if you pass a law prohibiting women from wearing scarves in Sydney and wont burn down embassies for that reason.
To galvaniize my point, blasphemy is more an issue to muslims than persecution of muslims elsewhere. Afterall, we muslims are persecuting non-muslims as well, right?
So this means only one thing. We muslims think differently, and since muslims are different from the rest of the world when it comes to their religion, in order to make us understand our double-standards you have to compare apples (blasphemy) to apples (blasphemy).
So, lets compare apples to apples, shall we? Again, link to any muslim newspaper blashpheming other religions? I can provide tons of newspaper articles and cartoons which show arabs as turban-wearing, hook-nosed, bare-footed chumps. I dont recall any muslim outcry over those representations.
**(1)* *By the bye, Semi,
You are a smart fella, so may be you will get a hint. Jews have always promoted multi-culturalism in the west and paved the way for third world immigration, resulting in the massive increase of mud people (non-whites) in Europe and America . The Jews openly advocate this "melting-pot" culture under the guise of plurality and freedom, but what they are really doing is nipping in the bud any attempt by gentile Xtians to make the West another Wiemar Republic. Jews will do anything in their power to deter the formation of a fundamental christian state in America. They have learnt their lessons in WWII.
Funny, how they do a 180 turnaround, when it comes to promoting multic-culturalism in Israel.
BTW, I, as a representative of the mud people, am very appreciative of jews for that generous---albeit deceptive--act. I know that if I am arrested, more than likely, it will be a jewish lawyer who will represent me and bail me out. Hadn't it for the jews, american muslims would not be able to sluaghter their animals. PETA would have dicked us over by now.
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Provide quotes of mine supporting that 2nd point!
You cant you filthy liar! I categorically denounced all attacks here. I wont even challange the first point. Its not wise to love those that hate you.
So, where are the quotes re: 9/11, 7/7?
Show me!