The real turkish government (i.e. its military) is not in favour of the attack on Iraq
a weak central government would lead to independence of Kurdish areas... if not independence.. almost complete autonomy.
Considering Mosul oilfields are in Kurdish area, it would mean that the kurdish semi autonomous/ independant state would be very well off.. and would fund kurdish separatist within Turkey.... ** the people the Turkish Army has been massacring for the past 70 years **
semi autonomous or independant kurdistan would risk the federtion of Turkey ... therefore the military will do all it can to ensure that it does not happen.
Turks Add A Hurdle To U.S. War Plans](http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17651-2003Mar12.html) Washington Post
Airspace Use to Require Parliamentary Approval
ANKARA, Turkey, March 12 – Hardening their position, Turkey’s leaders insist they need further assurances about postwar Iraq before they allow U.S. troops to deploy along the border for an attack. In a new complication, they also are refusing to let the Pentagon use Turkish airspace without approval from parliament.
Despite the acceleration of U.S. military preparations elsewhere, Turkey’s leaders appear to be in no hurry to schedule a new vote in parliament on the U.S deployment or use of airspace. They say they are confident that the United States will wait for them because an invasion of Iraq without Turkey’s help would be riskier, take longer and result in more casualties …
good decision by Turkey :k:
Turkey says NO to Bush ! :k:
New Turkish Leader Indicates no US Troop Deployment for Iraq War Soon](http://www.republicons.org/view_article.asp?RP_ARTICLE_ID=618) Republicons
by: Jason P Taverner 15 Mar 03
Newly elected Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said Friday that parliament will not consider a bid to deploy U.S. troops in Turkey for an Iraq war until it his government wins a confidence vote, and even then its not on his country’s agenda. Erdogan’s announcement comes as a blow to US military planners who are suspected of wishing to begin an invasion of Iraq early next week. Parliament rejected a first resolution on the deployment, a request to station 62,000 American troops on Turkish soil, two weeks ago. The US had hoped to launch a military assault from the lightly defended northern border of Iraq into a region largely ruled by Kurdish separatists.
The Kurdish issue presents challenges for Ankara, since the Turkish government has been a vehement opponent to Kurdish nationalism and has violently repressed its own Kurdish population. The notion of Kurds marching victoriously with US troops into Baghdad and expecting international recognition for such assistance does not sit comfortably with the Turks.
Asked when a new motion might be submitted to parliament, Erdogan was quoted as saying by the state-run Anatolian news agency: "At the moment there is no such thing on our agenda. All of that (comes) after the vote of confidence." He said the cabinet would meet on Monday and the government program could be read in parliament on Tuesday or Wednesday. A debate would follow two days later and a confidence vote after another day, pushing any new motion on the troop deployment back to the following week. The Bush administration has been clear, for reasons not fully described, that it hasn’t the patience to wait for attack.
Barring a last-minute reversal on the issue, Washington has said a multi-billion dollar “aid package” vital to shielding Turkey against the economic impact of war was off the table. The United States is still pushing for overflight rights in any conflict but officials are increasingly pessimistic. In Friday evening’s briefing at party headquarters, Erdogan said it was up to parliament to decide on the overflight request.
Widespread Turkish opposition to an attack on a neighboring Muslim state played a role in parliament’s rejection of the initial troop resolution on March 1. More than a quarter of Erdogan’s own deputies voted against the motion. The powerful military intervened last week, suggesting parliament should support the United States. But Erdogan might nonetheless be reluctant to risk his authority by submitting a second motion he could yet lose.
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The real turkish government (i.e. its military) is not in favour of the attack on Iraq
semi autonomous or independant kurdistan would risk the federtion of Turkey ... therefore the military will do all it can to ensure that it does not happen.
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usa guaranted turkey that turkish troop could direct and control north iraq if turkey give permission for deploying usa army in turkey; this suggestion was more good for turkey's own benefit, also usa would compensate our economical casualties. Turkish parliament did a great job by rejecting this suggestion according to me. They behaved emotioanly not rational, they had to reject because of widespread turkish ppl oppsition to attack on iraq who is our muslim neighboor. By rejecting usa deployment, turkey took a big risk, anymore they lost the right to control kurdish area to prevent a new kurdish state. An new state will not risk integrity of turkey, coz there is no racial and ethnical problem between kurds and turks in turkey. Turkey's main anxiety is that these two seperatist leader (barzani and talabani) can massacre turkoman population in kirkuk and mousul. They are not ordinary soldiers and are behaving like gangs. Although kurds have every rights in iran, there are too many seperatist irani-kurdish guarillas in north iraq who wants a independent kurdish state in iran and because of this reason iran army is also in north iraq. The ppl in turkey are against war hate war only because they witnessed many wars in which too many innocents died, it is not because beeing against war is good for our national interests. On the contrary giving permission to usa troops to deploy is more good for our national interests....
Now that Bush-Blair are speeding ahead to declaring war possibly withing the next 72 hours in almost complete defiance of the world community, the Northern front via Turkey is out of the equation?
Turkey issues warning to Bush over Iraq](http://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/nat/newsnat-30mar2003-34.htm) ABC Australia 30 Mar 03
Turkey’s Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned the United States the country would make up its own mind on whether to send troops into northern Iraq as Kurdish groups controlling the breakaway region advanced on the oil-rich city of Kirkuk.
Defying international criticism, Turkey has announced contingency plans for strengthening its military presence in northern Iraq, fearing local Kurds may declare an independent state and set an example for their restless cousins in Turkey’s south-eastern corner. But it has so far failed to convince Washington, which has repeatedly called on Ankara to stay out of northern Iraq, fearing that a massive deployment of Turkish troops would complicate its own military campaign against Baghdad.
Meanwhile, Iraqi Kurds have threatened to fight the Turkish army amid worries Ankara will seek to curb the autonomy they gained at the end of the 1991 Gulf War when the region was taken out of Baghdad’s control. In an address to Parliament, Mr Erdogan said Ankara was willing to listen to its key ally as long as its security interests were not undermined but hinted that Turkey would act on its own if it perceived a threat. “It is natural for Turkey to respond positively to demands from its allies, as long as its sensitivities are protected,” Mr Erdogan said
*Turkey's Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned the United States the country would make up its own mind on whether to send troops into northern Iraq as Kurdish groups controlling the breakaway region advanced on the oil-rich city of Kirkuk. *
Turkey has as much right to protect it's national interests as any other country, especially as it's territorial integrity. This will further damage America's limited northern frontier plans no doubt?
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Turkey has as much right to protect it's national interests as any other country, especially as it's territorial integrity. This will further damage America's limited northern frontier plans no doubt?
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Turkey damaged the plan of usa (deploying usa troops in turkey to open north front) and so that theu had to use only south front and this made them have casualties a lot. Now they want to use kurds like they used north alliance in afghanistan in north iraq. And at the moment kurdish separatists are moving to kirkuk in front of usa soldiers, but if turkish troops entered north iraq kurdish separatists will have to come back to turkish troos and they will have to turn back from ýraqi controlled areas. This means if turkish troops enters north iraq, usa plans will be damaged again and this is why usa is opposed to turkish troops entering iraq. usa is giving to many guns to kurds to be used against iraqis, but when turks enter iraq their plan is to collect efficient deadly guns from kurds and this also will prevent usa plan.
Brtish were also against turksih cyprus war in 1975 and they threatened like they did now, but turks invaded the island in a few days and british could do nothing to prevent turkey. Their only gun is to prevent tukey becoming a EU member....
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Turkey damaged the plan of usa (deploying usa troops in turkey to open north front) and so that theu had to use only south front and this made them have casualties a lot. Now they want to use kurds like they used north alliance in afghanistan in north iraq. And at the moment kurdish separatists are moving to kirkuk in front of usa soldiers, but if turkish troops entered north iraq kurdish separatists will have to come back to turkish troos and they will have to turn back from ýraqi controlled areas. This means if turkish troops enters north iraq, usa plans will be damaged again and this is why usa is opposed to turkish troops entering iraq. usa is giving to many guns to kurds to be used against iraqis, but when turks enter iraq their plan is to collect efficient deadly guns from kurds and this also will prevent usa plan.
Brtish were also against turksih cyprus war in 1975 and they threatened like they did now, but turks invaded the island in a few days and british could do nothing to prevent turkey. Their only gun is to prevent tukey becoming a EU member....
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Yes, the goals of Turkey and the USA are directly opposed, and pretty soon down the line they are bound to clash in some way or another. Turkey has every right to protect it's national interests and territorial integrity, which America's illegal war are putting in danger.
Another body blow for US-Turkish relations…
The United States is withdrawing warplanes from a Turkish air base that have been used for patrols over northern Iraq and sending them to the Persian Gulf for the war, U.S. officials said Tuesday, a sign of the growing distance between Washington and Ankara.](Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More)
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Good on him. I am SICK of US imperialism and double standards and sucking up to the Israelis. I cant wait for muslims to unite and assert our own agenda with the barbarity and carefree attitude with which the west rules the world at the moment.
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???? As the Turks build up troops on the border considering going into Iraq because they don't want the Turkish-Kurds to suceed from Turkey or the the Iraqi Kurds to poplulate their historical lands........