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Originally posted by Khoon-e-Shaheed:
**Assalaam u 'Alaikum
Thanks man ! I didn’t read the whole thing, but I’ll Insha Allah save it, and when need be, I may use it to counter the “Armenian genocide thing”. Kaafirs are just so obsessed with the Armenian episode, that they overlook everthing else, and use it as the focal point of discussing the relations of the Muslims to their non-Muslim subjects in the past.
Assalaam u 'Alaikum
Assalaam u 'Alaikum brother;
Well bro, I must admit that I do not know about religios field coz I began not too much ago being practising Islam and I am only a student about learning Islam inasllah I will be a good true muslim like you and other muslim bro. May be I am still a culturally attached muslim by only defination
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I only try to convey what I observe bro, the concepts are not seen black and white in turkey there are too many untidy colours between these two colours in Turkey. For exp there are hundreds appearence of sufists and islamic groups. The fan is so large that some of them says having a clean hearth is enough to enter jannah the other side of the fan says tring to rules of Allah dominant is necessary fro a muslim to become real muslim. May be this is resourced since lack of knowledge true islam. I admire pakistanis since you really interest with your identity and Islam so surely pakistanis are more religious than turks. But this is about education system and statepolicy coz in here they try hardly in lessons,in media to get turks unbeliver but still turks resist to protect their identity and religion.
As to sufism; bro may be they overwhelmingly represent a sufism that is harmed and differed from it’s real foundation. But I only convey what I observe. There are two mainstream islamic approachment in turkey one of them call them selves sufis and they say they live according to the rules of shariah and tasawwuf; they say they came earth for not struggling but to help each other and to admire the creation of Allah so that to respect Allah and Allah’s creatures. They see the creatures (including all human, animals and environment) as creation and miracle of Allah so they respect to to them also. Some of these jamaahs read a lot books among themselves which is about Allah and Allah’s superiority and islam.They usually try to prove the existence of Allah by science and prove the truth of quran and islamic reality. They do not interest policy and they also (this is only my opinion) does not like to opponent government.(actually they are in harmony with everything)
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For exp NOOR JAMMAH is the biggest one, they have hundreds of schools who are superior at science researches in almost all countries. They have universities, tv and radio stations, magazines… www.fethullahgulen.org this site belongs a head of one sect nor jammah for exp and other group www.harunyahya.org (they are not in noor jammah) also there are some sufis who do ziqr in tekkes like qadiris and nakshibandi. For ex sheikh Nazým of cyprus. There are hundres groups like them. But beeing sufi does not mean being against Allah’s willing(sharia) do not forget that the chechen mujahids mostly belong qadýri jammah and this gives them a conscious and iman to be against russia. ý MEAN SURELY ý DO NOT THÝNK SO THEY OBEY the difficult rules of sufism you mentioned. But they call themselves with this name. Actually those were the sufi dervishes who tokk islam to anatolia in 1000ss before turkish troops came here. because of these dervishes many greeks, armanians and natives became muslim by voluntaly. Their interpretations of Islam charity, love, tolerance, virtue and so on and this appaled natives a lot this is why sufism has great respect in Turkey. but some of sufi leader like jalaladdin rumi is beeing interpretated different by islamic scholars. In Istanbul in every corner of street there is tomb of sufi baba or pirand thousands go there to pray.
I totally aggree with your sentences about they are culturally attached to islam and many know nothing about islam. If you ask a turkish girl with mini shirt, are you muslim she will say Alhamdulillah I am proud beeing muslim but can not know only a command of Islam. Because the iman and identity of these pll were tries to be forgetten for several years. she will say that ý respect islam much coz there needs no mediator between Allah and human. What I am doing does not matter anyone it is between Allah and me. Yes, this is a standart type of turkish muslim. Ia m sure pakis are different. ctually all ppl is confused. Everyday there seems a official islamic scholar he say hijab is not necessary in islam and many ppl believe them.Alot of ppl drinks alchol but noone eats pork. almost everyone fast in Ramdan but the ones who is praying namaz are not much crowded.(the mosques are full in only friday prayers),ý MEAN PLL LÝVE FAR FROM ÝSLAMÝC RESOURCES. and also there are some muslim groups especially in ýnivercities who interst with policy (you may surprise but there are many students who reads Maulana maudidi and debate his opinions among themselves). They kknow ali shariati, sayyid kuttup, roger graudy, and there are too many different approachment to islam I mean.
How much are they immersed to islam?? well, a religious turk try to be honest, unliar, charitable and trys to gain Allah’s love. But others unfortunately are the ones who can not be convinced especially in trade life.their only vriteria is benefit and to become more rich and exploit other turks
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can I portray well?
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I mean there is no turk as I observed honest because of virtue or liken value. a turk can only be restricted with fear of Allah.
But no one can deny here that islam has the greatest influence in turkish art,architectural,culture,language and in many things.
Bro ý really do not know whether uighur turks use arabic strict or not, as I know uighurs could succedd to protect their identity tough they were exposed to persecutes.
About the genoside , there happened surely some unhappy events to both side . but I want to say that there was ITTIHAT TERAKKI party in 1915 in Turkey derived from YOUNG TURKS MOVEMENT who advocate secular nationalism and thses ppl were too far away to represent real ottoman policy. NAhmanadi mentioned about Anwar Pasha I think he is the biggest responsible of killing millions turks because he was defence ministery of ottoman(he was a panturkist also the head of ITTIHAT TERAKKI) and though it was necessart to have approval of ottoman parliament and sultan he agree with germany secretly and got ottoman ally to germany in ww1. Because of him ottoman entered a war which it dissappeared at the end. Because of a man a huge empire was collapsed.
Bro there is a real lively islamic life in turkey. But surely can not be rich like pakistan. Assasalamunalaikum…