Turkey searches Iranian planes at Zion’s behest

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Sounds like Turkey grew up and figured out that there is pride in peace and prosperity? Perhaps a lesson here?

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No, Turks do not support Zionist. But we will have normal relation with Israel. Yes, we have hold joint military exercises with Israel in past but this was to urge Syria not to support PKK issue. I believe that if all muslim countries have rational realtions with Israel, at the end, Zionists will be left alone in the world. Don't think that the whole jews are zionists. Most of them are regular people who just want to live regular peaceful life. If all muslim countries came to the same rational level of Turkey, Zionists will lose their war. In middle east both Israel and Palestine states must live together. Israel must give some land to Palestine and Arabs must respect to the existence right of a Israel state. It's too late and impossible to force Jews to leave these lands.

Actually, now, Turkey is most anti-Israel ever in the last 50 years. Governor party (AKP) in Turkey is a conservative party. So they're a bit anti-Israel. However, even they don't support Hezbollah's or Hamas's politics. They've called Hamas to leave violance recently.

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That’s not because we like to fight. But from the very first crusaders, till 20th century, Ottomans were forced to fight with West alone. Sure it was not joy for us but it was like a duty that we can’t run away. For example, we’ve fought with Portugal because they’ve attacked Indonesia, and Indonesian muslims called help from Ottomans. Since Ottoman Sultan was also a caliphet, it was impossible to turn back on them. So we’ve fought with Portugal at Indian ocean. Spain attacked to Algiers so we were supposed to save them. Italy attacked Trablusgarp (current Libya) so we have fought with them. And the list goes on…

In 1900’s, after Arabs had backstabbed us, whole muslim brotherhood idea broke down into pieces. After than, our motto has changed. Ataturk put the new idea of **“Peace at home, peace in the world” **(This is also the offical motto of Turkey). Because of this motto, we even didn’t enter to the WWII. In the last century, except that Cyprus issue (which was not a big campaign) there was no war of ours. But if Turkey had the same motto as Ottomans had, we would have attacked Serbia because of what they did in Bosnia, we would have attacked Russia because of Chechnya and Afghanistan. There would be no Israel either…

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3 cheers for turkey, i love the country and the people..

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Dear Galatia, you're going on and on about history of Turkey. (Don't worry, i've got some Harun Yahya's books).

All I want to know is why Turkey is helping Zion 'today'? Zion feels other Muslim countries should also be bullied/threatened into recognising Zion like Turkey was forced under economic hardships.

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Buddy, we don't help Zionists. This is your perception. You think that if a country doesn't help Hezbollah than they're helping Zionists.

For me there's no difference between Zionists and Hezbollah. Both of them want the status quo to continue. Zionist don't want a peace in Middle East since they have some plans and this is the only way they can justify their attacks on other countries. Mullah regime doesn't want this conflict to come a peacefull conclusion because they will lose an important pursuit for their people. They unite whole Iran under their control just acting like they're fighting a holy war with enemy. Actually all they do in the last 20 years is bla bla bla. Every week they tell that they will wipe off USA and Israel from the world, but all they do is to pour billions of petrodollars into "elit" ruling mullah class' pocket. This is all for economics.

Just tell me, why the hell Iran doesn't attack Israel if they so much hate them and want to wipe off them from the map ? If they're so brave, they should attack Israel instead of using a third country's land (this country is poor Lebanon) and cause them to get damage. Lebanese doesn't want Iran's Hezbollah in their territory. What's the benefit for them ?

Actually Iran did same to Turkey. They've supported PKK for years. There was a lot PKK camps in Irans in 1990's. But when USA turned this Kurdish gun to their face they've changed their attitude and started to attack PKK. Lol, i never trust them. Terrorism is their main weapon. Such a shame.

BTW, Harun Yahya is a moron. If you have learned Turkey's history from that guy, you're probably misleaded. He writes nothing scientific.

Note: I'm not anti-Iran but anti-mullah regime. I must note this.

Best of Luck Pakistan for the SA game...
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Agree whole heartedly…I have always loved Turkey be it the great Ottoman Empire with its rich history and culture or the modern, peaceful, and progressive Turkey.

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Pakistan always has had closer relations to sane countries like Turkey and Jordan who have always helped us in our times of need. A couple of Turkish doctors were killed in a fire when they were helping our earthquake victims.

Syrians, Iranians, and Libyans have always been in the pocket of the Russians and thus pro India.

Saudi Arabia and UAE are perhaps the only other Arab countries with good relations with Pakistan. Even then they treat Pakistani immigrants to their land like slaves. Comapre this to the how the average Turk treats the average Pakistani.

It's clear who are real friends should be in the world, despite what crazy mullahs want. I would not want Nasrallah as leader of Pakistan and thus cannot support him as leader in any other country. Otherwsie I would just be a hypocrite.

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The Average Turk treats the average pakistani like a brother and I have experienced this many times in my life.
Pakistan never had any relations with Israel because of Arabs and what did we achieve in return?..most of the Arab countries are still pro India.
Arabs treat Pakistanis as Shyte…where does their concept of Islamic brotherhood go at that time…What have Arabs done to prevent Israel…sit on their rich A$$es.

I am against Israel and its actions but I still believe that Pakistan should follow turkey’s example and start developing relations with them. This will be good for our progress.

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100% agreed. I have not had any personal interaction with Turks, but from what I have heard from others, they are some of the most friendly people, especially with Pakistanis and very humble.

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Referring to past history is great. Dividing up cyprus for Turkish national interests is great but what have you done for muslim ummah lately?? Also if Turkey wants to give lessons how to fight , why dont they fight the Israelis?? In fact Turkey is one of the few muslim countries to have very friendly and diplomatic relations with Israel.

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Galatia bro/sis, I think the only reason Turkey bends over to Zion is so they can get a ticket into Europe. But what does Europe say to Turkey whenever they go around knocking on their door, "You sick man of Asia, get rid of Islam first and you're one of us." Turkey nods like a two-year. It's disgusting.

And the other thing about wiping out Zion by Iran. Iran hasn't asked anyone else to wipe out Zion... they've only started threating Zion after Uncle Sam's warships started wishing in their neighbourhood. Everyone knows, West don't want the last European colony to be wiped out from Arabia (nowadays called middle-east), otherwise they'll have no control over the oil flow.

And finally, Hebullah wants the Sheba Farms back, that's all. They haven't threatened to cause an another mythical holocaust. They'll go on fighting for their land, just like Turkey will not let go of their beloved Kurdistan no matter how much blood it spills.

Saudi advise to Pakistan
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And what did all of the arab countries who have fought or want to fight Israel ever achieved? Have you noticed that even the arabs don’t want their fellow Palestinians gaining too much power in their own countries?

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Well, do you suppose that Turkish Cypriots are not muslims. Ah, pardon me, they’re not Arab enough to take your attention.

Have a look at that link below. Yes, this is our national interest.

http://www.geocities.com/t_volunteer/cyprus/photo1.htm

If the problem is a non-Turk issue, it’s all ummah’s problem but if the case is about Turks (like Cyprus case) then it’s Turkey’s national interest. Wow, what a hypocrisy !

Have a look at these photos, they were muslims too. Have anyone of you ever paid attention to them ? No !
Have any muslim country in the world (including Pakistan) recognized Turkish Cyprus State officially ? No !
Have ever any muslim country helped Turkish Cypriots in other ways during those bad days ? A big no.
I bet that none of you in this forum doesn’t have a tiny knowledge about what muslim Cypriots had suffered !

Arabian countries have very strong relation with Greece and Greek Cyprus !

**BTW, Just tell me, why doesn’t Pakistan officially recognize Turkish Republic of Cyprus ? **

What about Khojaly Massacres that Armenians committed ? Have a look at them.
http://azerbaijan.az/_Karabakh/_Genoside/genocide_05_e.html

What did muslim countries for Azeri Turks ? Nothing. And even worse, countries like Iran, Syria and Lebanon give huge support to Armenia. Especially Iran gives huge support to Armenia who has occupied %33 of Azeri Turks lands with Russian army backing them. Iran is the NO.1 trade partner of Armenia. SO what do say about this ?

What about Bosnia ? What did Arabs-Iran for Bosnians ? Nothing. Aren’t they muslim enough to take your attention ? It was again Turkey who forced NATO, United Nations to attack Serbia. At least we did sth.

We’ve paid great attention to Cypriots, Azeris, Bosnians and even Palestinians. I guess this post was a good answer to your “muslim ummah” question !

Note: BTW, Turkey gives full support to Palestine but not to Hezbollah or Hamas. It’s not like a fake support like Iran’s. Turkey is trying to construct a huge industrial center (it’s really huge) in Palestine if radicals (both Hamas or Zionists) let us to build but I bet they won’t let, because they favor over Palestine’s pitifulness.

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Have any muslim country in the world (including Pakistan) recognized Turkish Cyprus State officially ? No !
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Actually, Pakistan has always been one of the biggest supporters of Turkey on the Cyprus (Qabras) issue. The TRNC (Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) President Rauf Denktash was a frequent visitor to Islamabad, and I think we might have had one of the first TNRC representative offices in the world open up in Islamabad, at least I remember it being there on Margalla Road (Present Khayaban e Iqbal) since the 80s. Moreover, during the embargo era of the 90s, there was a point where Pakistan could not afford to fly its F-16s because of a shortage of spare parts, during that time the Turkish Airforce allowed a number of PAF pilots to come to Turkey on secondment and fly thier F-16s. The Pakistan airforce is a regular participant in Exercise Anatolian Eagle, and recently the rank badges of the PAF were changed to resemble those worn by Turkish Airforce pilots in a sign of solidarity between the two countries.

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What did muslim countries for Azeri Turks ? Nothing. And even worse, countries like Iran, Syria and Lebanon give huge support to Armenia. Especially Iran gives huge support to Armenia who has occupied %33 of Azeri Turks lands with Russian army backing them. Iran is the NO.1 trade partner of Armenia. SO what do say about this ?
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Once again Pakistan is one of the few countries that has supported Azerbaijan on all issues including the Ngorno Karabakh issue with Armenia. I will look up specifics and post them here.

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What about Bosnia ? What did Arabs-Iran for Bosnians ? Nothing. Aren't they muslim enough to take your attention ? It was again Turkey who forced NATO, United Nations to attack Serbia. At least we did sth.
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Actually, Pakistan not only invited refugees from Bosnia Herzegovina (I think about 200 came via a special flight and stayed at the Madinatull Hujjaj), the first (or one of the first) Bosnian Embassies was also opened in Islamabad. I believe the first Bosnian ambassador was the daughter of the Bosnian President Alija Izzetbegovic. Moreover, Pakistani troops formed part of the UN peace keeping force in Bosnia and while they conducted themselves admirably, they were often warned for helping out the Muslim Bosnians by bringing them food and supplies, transporting them in UN vehicles and even (crime of all crimes!) using thier doctors or medics assigned to treatment of UN personell for helping Bosnian Muslim civilians--a fact alluded to in the famous PTV serial Alpha Bravo Charlie.

We have always been with Turkey, from the Tehreek e khilafat at the end of World War I to the present day and Turkey has always been with us. Don't let the comments of certain people here get you down.

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You'll get the recognition as soon as you recognise Hindustan Occupied Kashmir as Pakistani territory.