If it were Allah' anger, it should have taken place near by Arab States. For our disatrous we have our own Gods for anger.
lessons one can learn from tsunami
- all people die. no one lives for ever. whether u r muslim, christians, hindu or budhist.
- everyone died in the same manner regardless of any religion, proves no one is superior than another.
- money and all the materialistic things in the world can't save u, when its ur time to die, no one can stop it from happening.
- be thankful u still have ur family members alive and well with u. and you are better off than so many millions of people who dont even have a shelther or grain of rice to feed themselves.
may God save us all from such disasters and horrific death. ameen.
And may we all realize all of the above without another such horrific disaster...may Allah give us enough sense to remember the importance of life and faith every day...
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- everyone died in the same manner regardless of any religion, proves no one is superior than another.
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and what sort of a meaningless statement is this????
^ jo app ki naqis aqal samajhnay say qasir hai.
Re: lessons one can learn from tsunami
- money and all the materialistic things in the world can't save u, when its ur time to die, no one can stop it from happening. <<
with a tsunami warning system in place, a good majority of the places hit would have had atleast a couple of hours to clear people out from coastal areas..
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of course its plate tectonics.
but then one still asks the question "why plate tectonics"...and for every answer, one can still ask "why". Eventually you end up with an infinite regress. So either the answer is "God is the original cause for which one need not ask 'why' ", or there is no original cause and reality really is just an infinite regress.
I think the ultimate cause of this as with any other occurrence is God.
Whether He/She meant it as a punishment or if it was just a random act of God, or even if it was some form of a reward - who knows?
Regardless, you can't ignore the fact that incidents like these change people's lives. And in the end, isn't that all that keeps us going. One change after another. You never know what tomorrow holds.
Just the idea that one can go to sleep never expecting anything to drastically change the next day...and then it does...
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pushing it onto god is no answer. corresponding to "why plate tectonics", there is always the "why god" which believers so happily forget.
v. good point queer :k:] and asians countires leaders’ r considering putting a warning system in place now!!!
^ and is kai jawaab mein my sig’ is suffice.
"The only true faith in God’s sight is Islam. Q 3:19 "
Although it's been a long time, but I believe I've read in the past that natural disasters are a punishment from Allah (SWT).
I'll try to find evidence for it if I can, insha'Allah.
Following are the fatawa that I could find that deal with the subject on hand:
Maybe It's a test for the people, all those who undergo this test may not be evil-doers.
Can all those affected be evil-doers? How about the kids?
I also think it's a sign and a warning from Allah.
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Maybe It's a test for the people, all those who undergo this test may not be evil-doers.
Can all those affected be evil-doers? How about the kids?
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Are you saying that the kids amongst the people of Lot (pbuh) were evil-doers too?
When Allah SWT punishes a society for its sins - even those minority amongst them who did not do evil share their fate.
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Are you saying that the kids amongst the people of Lot (pbuh) were evil-doers too?
When Allah SWT punishes a society for its sins - even those minority amongst them who did not do evil share their fate.
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What I mean is that I get this impression here that the bad people have received their wrath through this tsunami. All this is their punishment for their deeds?
If that is so, martain hain tou marain, rahtain hain tou rahain. We don't need to help out. Let Allah give them the collective punishment. Let them rot away, let them die from hunger and disease. All part of Allah's wrath.
Hain na?
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Are you saying that the kids amongst the people of Lot (pbuh) were evil-doers too?
When Allah SWT punishes a society for its sins - even those minority amongst them who did not do evil share their fate.
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would you rescue you own children or leave it to god.
imagine you are doctor who would want go to you?
Hang on - why is this being interpreted as me saying we shouldn't help out the survivors?
I've already sent money to help and urge everyone else to do so too.
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Animals have a early warning system.
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i know...but it is still intersting is it not?
Tsunami does not discriminate
Tsunami affected such a region that it affected people of all world's major religions. Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and Christians were killed in large numbers. No other part of the world has people in such large numbers of different faiths.
It just says that Mother Nature and God does not discriminate people of different religions and these divisions are created by human beings.
What do you say?
Tsunami - No Discrimination
Tsunami affected such a region that it affected people of all world's major religions. Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and Christians were killed in large numbers. No other part of the world has people in such large numbers of different faiths.
It just says that Mother Nature and God does not discriminate people of different religions and these divisions are created by human beings.
What do you say?
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Tsunami affected such a region that it affected people of all world's major religions. Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and Christians were killed in large numbers. No other part of the world has people in such large numbers of different faiths.
It just says that Mother Nature and God does not discriminate people of different religions and these divisions are created by human beings.
What do you say?
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nature is secular and not species or race or relgious specific
Tsunami: ‘Genocide By Geology’
Posted: 01/01
From: Mathaba
Even as I write now, from the southern Indian city of Chennai, which was also hit, the official estimate of the total numbers of dead people in India, Indonesia, the Maldives, Sri Lanka and Thailand is touching 150,000. Over 500,000 have been injured and millions have lost everything they possessed and stand vulnerable to disease and stark poverty.
All these numbers are expected to go up further in the coming days as more and more bodies are found amidst the rubble and ruin of once functioning communities, settlements and even tourist resorts.
The killer waves ambushed and destroyed entire coastal communities, tore apart families, whimsically decimating a parent here, a child there, somebody’s wife, husband or sibling somewhere. There are countless tales of babies slipping from the hands of desperate mothers, husbands watching their wives and children drown and children seeing parents washed away to their watery graves.
Many who were witness, victim or even in the vicinity of the disaster described the experience as apocalyptical. That it well and truly was. But the catchall term ‘Apocalypse’ does not really capture the real nature of the tragedy; one needs to look closely at the personal tales of loss, sorrow, shock and injury that are emerging. What occurred clearly, was not one but countless apocalypse - so many individual universes snuffed out - all at the same time.
Like all great natural disasters, this one too has been spectacularly secular, caring little for the religion, caste or color of its victims. Striking as it did on the morning of the day after Christmas, a Sunday and with the full moon out in the sky for good measure, the tsunamis snared praying Hindus, Muslims, Christians and Buddhists in the region all alike. The mythology of each of these religions has ancient tales of a great deluge wiping life off the Earth and it must have certainly seemed to many that fateful morning like the legend had come devastatingly true.
Neither did the wild dance of death and destruction respect any of the vain and arbitrary national boundaries we humans create on the surface of the planet. Starting off somewhere 250 kilometers southeast of Sumatra, Indonesia the tsunamis ravaged the shores of at least ten countries, traveling thousands of kilometers, including Kenya and Somalia in far off Africa. It was a perverse reminder from Mother Earth it is She who draws all the lines in our world and that too at humanly unfathomable depths.
The disaster maintained strict political neutrality too, killing Acehnese separatists in Indonesia and Tamil rebels in Sri Lanka along with members of the state security forces hunting for them. I will never ever forget that small news item on the morning of the disaster that talked of the Indonesian army killing 19 Acehnese rebels the previous day. No one can go bankrupt overestimating the arrogance and ambition of the Indonesian military; compete as they do with quake and tsunami.
In terms of economic background, among those tragically killed were scores of Western travelers and even a grandson of the Thai monarch on the scenic beaches of the Thailand and the Maldives. An overwhelming majority of victims though were poor fisher folk and other villagers along the coasts of India, Indonesia and Sri Lanka. As always in our unfair world those who had the least lost the most.
The blame for not warning their people of impending danger does really lie with the national governments of Indonesia, Thailand, Sri Lanka and India. True, tsunamis are extremely rare occurrences in this part of the world, but that morning any seismologist worth his salt would have surely noticed what was the largest quake in four decades and since it occurred under the sea - deduced the consequences easily.
In countries like India, Indonesia, Sri Lanka of course the story was slightly different - none of them really had a clue as to what was happening. All three countries spend a large proportion of their national budgets on buying armaments and very little on technology that can help save the lives of their own countrymen.
For example, the tsunamis hit the Indian islands of Andaman and Nicobar, located just 150 kilometers from the northern tip of Sumatra, soon after the quake occurred at 6.30 AM (Indian Standard Time). Among many other settlements and facilities they destroyed a full base of the Indian Air Force. And yet nobody in the Indian capital New Delhi knew about this in time to alert people on the coast to watch out for the same killer waves that hit them only a couple of hours later. A mere phone call to a television news channel could have saved thousands of lives.
India, with a bulk of the world’s poorest people, is run by an elite that takes great pride in sending rockets into space or exploding nuclear bombs while neglecting the basic needs of its population. The country does not have a tsunami warning system because ‘well, no tsunami has hit the Indian coast since 1941 and the equipment is too expensive’. On the other hand it does not mind having even more expensive nuclear bombs despite no nuclear threat to its existence in 5000 years of recorded history!
Talking about things nuclear, last Sunday’s tsunami ravaged the Kalpakkam nuclear reactor and its nearby employees residential compound outside Chennai killing 65 people and leaving grave doubts about the future of the facility itself. Despite official pronouncements that the reactor was shut down in time there are grounds to believe all is not well and God knows what disaster is cooking behind those secretive domes.
The more challenging requirements are really long-term. Primarily there is the mammoth task of restoring employment and income to all those displaced by the disaster. The quake and tsunami hit regions also need well-designed projects to look after orphaned children, special programs to help those disabled and for dealing with post-trauma stress disorders among the general public.
As 2004 exits and a New Year begins, it is time for human beings to quit the business of dispensing Death in any form and instead focus all energies solely on the preservation of Life against all odds. That can be the only real and lasting tribute we can pay to all those who died last Sunday, so abruptly, so cruelly and without a real chance.
Satya Sagar is a journalist based in Thailand, currently in Chennai, India. He can be reached at: