Top UK judge slams Camp Delta

and the crticism continues:

One of Britain’s most senior judges has condemned the US over the detention of terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay.
Lord Steyn said conditions at Camp Delta were of “utter lawlessness”, in a speech seen by Channel 4 News.

The Law Lord said the US was guilty of a “monstrous failure of justice” and challenged UK ministers to condemn the decision to hold any prisoners there.

He said detainees were “beyond the rule of law, beyond the protection of any courts and at the mercy of victors”.

Lord Steyn’s comments came as Australia said the US had agreed that two of its citizens at the camp would not face the death penalty, although they could face a military tribunal.

British officials said the deal would not affect talks over two UK citizens also facing trial at the base.

Lord Steyn is the latest senior judicial figure both in the UK and the US to question the legality of the Camp Delta detentions and the way the war on terror is being prosecuted.

The American Bar Association (ABA) last year expressed concern over the jailing of American citizens as “enemy combatants” without being charged or having access to lawyers.

And in August this year, the ABA urged Congress and the Executive to ensure that all defendants in any military commission trials have the opportunity to receive “zealous and effective civilian defense counsel”.

In September, the British Attorney-General Lord Goldsmith, speaking at the International Bar Association’s annual conference in San Francisco, called on the Bush administration not to deny terror suspects at Guantanamo Bay a fair trial.

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As a lawyer brought up to admire the ideals of American democracy and justice... I regard this as a monstrous failure of justice .. this statement by one of Britains top judges proves what the world has been stating for so long, that the Bush Adminstration is grossly in violation of International laws and conventions.!!

Innocent until proven guilty, so the democratic regimes of the world (USA and UK leading) would have you believe.

“Revealed: shocking truth of Britain’s ‘Camp Delta’

Disturbing new details have emerged about the treatment of 14 foreign terrorist suspects held without trial in British high-security jails

The detainees have been charged with no crime; are unable to see the intelligence evidence against them; and are confined to their cells for up to 22 hours a day. The Government used emergency legislation against them because it had insufficient evidence to mount a prosecution.
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*He said detainees were "beyond the rule of law, beyond the protection of any courts and at the mercy of victors". *

If the American's are going to treat people like that, then I am sure they won't mind if the other side do the same when capturing American's?

An editorial in The New York Times described the Guantanamo situation as a “scandal,” saying: “Whoever they are, their treatment should be a demonstration of America’s commitment to justice, not the blot on its honor that Guantanamo has become.” The United States government must immediately close its concentration camp, and release or try the prisoners in accordance with international norms. It should return Guantanamo Bay to its rightful owner, the Republic of Cuba.

THE CONCENTRATION CAMP AT GUANTANAMO: JURIST 15 Jan 04

Professor Marjorie Cohn
Thomas Jefferson School of Law

Anyone who has traveled to Cuba or listened to mariachis sing in myriad Latin restaurants is familiar with the lovely song, Guantanamera - the little girl from Guantanamo. Based on a poem by Jose Marti, the father of Cuban independence, the song is narrated by “an honest man from where the palm tree grows,” who speaks of the beauty of Cuba. In stark contrast, the post 9/11 Guantanamo Bay is home to a veritable “concentration camp,” in the words of the Cuban government, the National Lawyers Guild, and the American Association of Jurists.More than 600 prisoners have been incarcerated there for nearly two years. They are kept in small cages, with no charges against them, without access to the courts to challenge their confinement.

The United States government illegally occupies that part of Cuba’s territory. It is held under a lease negotiated between Cuba and the U.S., which gave the United States the right to use Guantanamo Bay “exclusively as coaling or naval stations, and for no other purpose.” Nowhere does Cuba give the United States the right to utilize this land as a prison or a concentration camp.

**President Fidel Castro, who calls the Guantanamo base “a dagger plunged into the heart of Cuban soil,” refuses to cash the rent checks the U.S. government sends annually. He says: “An elemental sense of dignity and absolute disagreement with what happens in that portion of our national territory has prevented Cuba from cashing those checks.” The United States, according to President Castro, has transformed Guantanamo base into a “horrible prison, one that bears no difference with the Nazi concentration camps.” In December, Cuba’s National Assembly decried the Guantanamo “concentration camp,” saying: “In the territory illegally occupied by the Guantanamo naval base, hundreds of foreign prisoners are subjected to indescribable abuses.” **

Indeed, nearly half the prisoners are interrogated each week in sessions lasting up to 16 hours. **A prisoner released in May told Amnesty International that the interrogations “were like torture.” Australian lawyer Richard Bourke asserted on ABC Radio that prisoners had been subjected to “good old-fashioned torture, as people would have understood it in the Dark Ages.” He reported: “One of the detainees had described being taken out and tied to a post and having rubber bullets fired at them. They were being made to kneel cruciform in the sun until they collapsed.” **

Shortly after September 11, the Cuban government did not oppose housing the U.S. prisoners at Guantanamo: “Although the transfer of foreign war prisoners by the United States government to one of its military facilities - located in a portion of our land over which we have no jurisdiction, as we have been deprived of it - does not abide by the provisions that regulated its inception, we shall not set any obstacles to the development of the operation.”

Cuba, which boasts one of the most advanced medical systems in the world, offered to provide medical services and sanitation programs for the Guantanamo prisoners. The Cuban government, in its January 2002 statement, expressed satisfaction at “the public statements made by the U.S. authorities in the sense that prisoners will be accorded an adequate and humane treatment that may be monitored by the International Red Cross.”

But the Red Cross, which recently concluded a two-month visit to the Guatanamo camp, “observed a worrying deterioration in the psychological health of a large number of them.” The Red Cross reported that “the US authorities have placed the internees in Guantanamo beyond the law. This means that, after more than eighteen months of captivity, the internees still have no idea about their fate, and no means of recourse through any legal mechanism.” Indeed, The New York Times reported 32 suicides in 18 months and several detainees being treated for clinical depression as a direct result of the uncertainties of their situations.

The Bush administration has denied these prisoners access to U.S. courts to challenge their detention, disingenuously claiming that the U.S. is not sovereign over Guantanamo Bay. The Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, which decided last month that U.S. courts do have jurisdiction to hear the prisoners’ complaints, said that by employing Guantanamo as a prison camp, “our government has purposely acted in a manner directly inconsistent with the terms of the Lease and the continuing Treaty, [which] … limit U.S. use of the territory to a naval base and coaling station.”

However, the appellate court was perhaps most alarmed at the government’s assertion during oral argument that these prisoners would have no judicial recourse even if they were claiming the government subjected them to acts of torture or summary execution. The Ninth Circuit said: “To our knowledge, prior to the current detention of prisoners at Guantanamo, the U.S. government has never before asserted such a grave and startling proposition.” The court said this was “a position so extreme that it raises the gravest concerns under both American and international law.” During its present term the Supreme Court will decide whether U.S. courts have jurisdiction over these prisoners. …

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**He said detainees were "beyond the rule of law, beyond the protection of any courts and at the mercy of victors". *

If the American's are going to treat people like that, then I am sure they won't mind if the other side do the same when capturing American's?
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Oh...you mean instead of treating them with respect and dignity like ... uh... let me think of an example.....beheading them on videotape?

^ MV bhaijaan, aren't you comparing treatment of acclaimed terrorists with that of US government? Do you think they should be judged using the same yard stick?

well with kenneth Lay and skilling of Enron out there, he has kinda pardoned some criminals anyways. Would love to see his list of pardons if he loses, or when his term is up. any hoo

The ICRC is not the only human rights organization to call on the Bush administration to apply the Conventions, and either to put on trial or release the detainees. In the United States, New York-based Human Rights Watch charges that the White House is keeping the Guantanamo prisoners in “a legal black hole”.

US fails to answer ICRC concerns](http://www.nzz.ch/2004/01/17/english/page-synd4641236.html) NZZ, Swiss

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) has announced it sees “no substantial progress” from the Bush Administration on the fate of prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay. Despite two days of talks in Washington, the ICRC only extracted a promise from the Pentagon to accelerate the review process of the detainees for a possible release.

Yes, no amount of belated PR will change the mind of people who are dedicated in ensuring the rule and law, and justice for all. If the US regime is not scared of anything in Guantanamo bay it would start listening to orgnisations like the ICRC and HRW, amongst others who have questioned or condemned American actions.