Top India paper staff face jail

^ Sure, so what would you like to know exactly? :)

For starters, lets see your views on this.

Strange to see u people are worried about indian democracy ( which has been accepted as the largest democracy of the world by the world)
Ironically presently pakistan 2 main party leadres are thorwn out of there country and not allowed to come in pakistan.
not to fotget the oppositon leader of the NA has been recently arrested by a general who rules the country in real terms.

By the way indian democracy had different institutions which have powers overlapped on one another tp safe gaurd democracy.

They are elected representitives(partiment and state assemblies), bureaucracy , Courts, and Press besides these main institutes we have president, election commission and so on

If one institute gets carried away then the other instiutes interfear and protect the democracy.

In this case the Press was attacked by assembly the court will come and interfear.
This is how indian democracy works

The main reason for failure of democracy in pakistan is not corruption, not army or lack of good political leaders. we too have these same problem with us but the difference is we have well developed institutes to safe guard our democracy in pakistan these institutes are not developed fully. Until this dosent happen democracy will never come in pakistan in true sense and until these institues become weeker indian will never loose democracy.

So no need to worry about us.....

The original question was-

“What sort of parliamentary democracy is India, when a state assembly can vote to arrest journalists because they criticise the ruling party of government?”

Answer-

Democracy does not guarantee that democratic procedures will be followed all the time. What democracy does ensure is that Jayalalitha will not succeed in jailing journalists under obscurantist and antiquated laws - like say blasphemy laws - for longer than a blink of an eye. All that she can do is flail her fists and get a sock in return.

Care to explain what you meant by this statement?

“Its really a ballet. The media dances to the tunes of the government. Never a dull moment.”

Can you provide a link that verifies your statement? :bukbuk:

Well done, shawnindus for so succinctly comparing the great "democratic" India with the poor ol' neighbor, Pakistan.. The only problem is that this thread is about an Indian state, an Indian newspaper, an Indian journalist and an Indian court. I don't see no Pakistan mentioned in the news story here.

A grand total of one sentence in your post, actually commented on the topic of this thread. The rest was just a rant against Pakistan.

I got a rebuke - hahahaha. First you get involved in knit-picking over a typo and then get hold of a piece of report and compare your dictatorship with one of the greatest democracies of the world.
Yes we do not live in a perfect democracy but atleast my life is not dictated by some Bairakwala.

As far as you :crying: about the anti-Pak rants, well this thread was started as an anti-india rant which you couldn’t notice. :hehe:

“One of the greatest democracies of the world” :rotfl:

You crack me up dude… This thread was not started as an anti-rant. Its a news story… as in a news story. And its up for discussion. Its you, who decided to compare the “greatest democracy” with a dictatorship. So who is feeling insecure now? :hehe:

Censorship doesnt exist in a democracy. That much is obvious. Freedom of speech is supposed to be the very foundation of a democracy. Thus when this happens, it smacks more of a dictatorial regime.

Secondly you dont need a democracy to comment on the sham that India has.

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Censorship doesnt exist in a democracy. That much is obvious. Freedom of speech is supposed to be the very foundation of a democracy. Thus when this happens, it smacks more of a dictatorial regime.

Secondly you dont need a democracy to comment on the sham that India has.
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And CM Bhai would be an expert at what field of science to come out with such a convincing conclusion. In any case, genetically speaking Indians and Paksitanis have the same makeup, and so this would be a shared phenomenon, wouldnt it?

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And CM Bhai would be an expert at what field of science to come out with such a convincing conclusion. In any case, genetically speaking Indians and Paksitanis have the same makeup, and so this would be a shared phenomenon, wouldnt it?
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Its called Common sense dearest. Genetics has nothing to do with mental capability. I suggest you read up on the latest science has to offer. Intelligence is over-rated. In the case of the posters here an extreme rarity.

Anyway back on to Stalinist policies to curb the media. So now that this is a democracy and they aim to destory the press what is next? No more freedom of speech or only for the select few a la 1984?

do you agree with following list

http://www.worldaudit.org/democracy.htm

Censorship doesnt exist in a democracy.
great observation.what do u think a democracy is, that there will b no opposition to anything n everything will go as things go in other cheap dictatorship?. democracy is a mature process n ppl who doesnt have experience in one will never find democray's inherent contradictions anything but chaos.it takes many years to settle down to democracy because it is not a one man show where u can get the control jus by ordering ur troops to take charge of installations.democracy is much more than that. it is bound to have bickerings in between some extrapolations here n there n is anything but smooth.
i tell all these to my subcontinental cousins bcoz they don have even a naive idea of what a democracy is. if they think democracy is what they think then they r pitiable rnt they?

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Censorship doesnt exist in a democracy.
great observation.what do u think a democracy is, that there will b no opposition to anything n everything will go as things go in other cheap dictatorship?. democracy is a mature process n ppl who doesnt have experience in one will never find democray's inherent contradictions anything but chaos.it takes many years to settle down to democracy because it is not a one man show where u can get the control jus by ordering ur troops to take charge of installations.democracy is much more than that. it is bound to have bickerings in between some extrapolations here n there n is anything but smooth.
i tell all these to my subcontinental cousins bcoz they don have even a naive idea of what a democracy is. if they think democracy is what they think then they r pitiable rnt they?

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yawn Educating people is getting tiresome. Democracy is freedom. Simply put. Freedom to say what you want against the government without reprisal. That aint happening in india.

You are pitiful in your pathetic attempts to defend the undemocractic actions of your government. The aim should be to defend democracy not to defend the government in power.

Back on track here darling. The govt cracked down on a newspaper for publishing the truth. They are going to jail.

This is censorship at its worst no?

Isnt it against what a democracy is supposed to stand for?

What happened to freedom of speech?

Answer all three mon cherie.

Censorship doesn’t exist in a democracy but bootlicking can! You have only to read the NY Post to see how sickeningly pro-govt and pro-Jew it is. What do you call that if not ‘dancing to the tune of the govt’? Secondly, democracy also guarantees the right of every individual and the press has to respect that. Jayalalitha is using defamation as the excuse to stifle The Hindu. Do you understand the procedure? Now it is up to the court to decide if the paper was really defamatory or not.

So we don’t need a democracy to comment on the sham that India has - :rotfl:

What do we need then? A dictatorship like your’s? Perhaps you’re congratulating yourself on being part of an openly feudalistic and backward society unlike India which indulges in a charade of it’s own for God know’s what purpose.

Are you suggesting that India feels a need to show the world it is democratic for white-wash purposes only, or do you realise that since Independence we have followed and always will follow a democratic method of functionsing - however flawed it might look or be. :bukbuk:

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Back on track here darling. The govt cracked down on a newspaper for publishing the truth. They are going to jail.

This is censorship at its worst no?

Isnt it against what a democracy is supposed to stand for?

What happened to freedom of speech?

Answer all three mon cherie.
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They are going to jail? Are you sure? Give the latest link pls instead of conjecturing from your cell. grin

Aww :blush: i got Karina all hot and bothered. Bootlicking? Irrelevant. The NYT as every US paper caters to an audience. They dont provide facts. They provides facts skewed from a view point acceptable to their readers. That is how the media works in the US.

Defamation is from what i remember from my legal courses, information that is incorrect and slanderous i.e. rumors. In this case i doubt it is a rumor. Plus why isnt the mirror or national enquirer in courts all the bloody time for defamation and libel.

Follow whatever method you like. I honestly dont give a damn. But democracy india is not. More like fledgling in every aspect. Deal with your race and religious issues before saying you are a democracy. Oh yeah in a modern democracy religion and state are different. In India they are not.

I rather have a dictatorship than a racist sham of a democracy. Atleast then i call an apple and apple.

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They are going to jail? Are you sure? Give the latest link pls instead of conjecturing from your cell. grin
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If they lose yeah they could go to jail. Its all about possibilities darling.

Police raided The Hindu's offices after the state assembly sentenced five journalists to 15 days in prison for what it called breach of privilege.

From the link Malik gave. They are already in jail. Or were. Either they can go their again.

I said NY Post.

Fine, so we’re not a democracy. The world calls us the biggest democracy, recognises that, but CM and Pakistan doesn’t. There’s only one way to go then - don’t tell us to stop doing anything just take out full page ads in all the major newspapers of the world and declare you don’t consider India a democracy. Easy. After all I’m not telling you to stop calling yourselves a dictatorship, am I? :slight_smile:

Apple sweetheart, I ain’t hot at all. It’s freezin in NY. And you couldn’t bother me unless you came up with a really good argument. :love:

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If they lose yeah they could go to jail. Its all about possibilities darling.

Police raided The Hindu's offices after the state assembly sentenced five journalists to 15 days in prison for what it called breach of privilege.

From the link Malik gave. They are already in jail. Or were. Either they can go their again.
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Wrong, read the link and latest news again. The court stayed the assembly order. They will never lose. The whole nation is behind them and the newspaper has clout. Besides, we aren't a sham democracy for nothing.