…out of control. is that true?
If you are too much in control of your life…does it mean you are interfering in God’s business.
ciao
BoSS
I don't know what you mean by interfering in God's business but yeh, you definitely need to let loose a bit. Make some mistakes and regret some, do some foolish things and laugh some, be ashamed once in a while and be proud when you are not, but most importantly, don't plan your Mondays on Saturdays ... leave them for the Sundays.
If all this means too much control and not too much control then so be it.
I hate being controlled.....
Though, i love controlling ppl. Cuz, you know, authority rules.
& i don't think you're interfering with God's business.....it's fate....which God has control over as it is.
Why all the philosophy though Boss? What's up?
Know when control really really kicks in....oh lets say for ex the typical Pakistani family....over their daughters (& not the sons). Now THAT'S control (& the total out of control). ;)
& i know both you & i already know enuff about that....on a different spectrum as it already is right?
Control... if it gets beyond a point that a person is losing their peace of mind... then I don't know if its wrong or if not, but it becomes very tough to handle.
Like anger or frustration sometimes.
Or putting up with something that is beyond our reach.
The best way to handle is ... is to take a step away from it... and look at the scenerio from a distance. Trying to analyse it, if it helps.
Like ROman has said... plan ur Mondays on Sundays, rather Saturdays. Its a simple sentence he has written, but I find more depth in it. For I percieve it as... taking a break now and then, giving urself time to breath in open air, and to take one day at a time.
And overall, we all need to pray for His guidence and seek His Aman. After all, we're mortals. We need shelter from His graciousness.
It doesn't matter how much control one has over their life, God Al-Mighty will always be many steps further. He will always have more control then any individual. And no one can ever interfere in His business in any way whatsoever. So that's out of the question.
With that taken care of, wether or not having too much control of one's life implies that one is getting out of control, really depends on what kind of "control" u r referring to. Setting one's ways straight in life, always keeping a clear dimension of things in mind is a good kind of control to practice. Having control of one's life and one's actions is a positive practice, it guards the conscience.
The answer depends upon what is one's definition of "too much control."
Dopey to me control is directing influence over something. An example of extreme control is what pharaoh had over Egypt. Anyway, my question was more towards our capacity of thinking, decision making and relating it to sciences such as astrology and palmistry or beliefs such as fate. If I am too much in control of my actions then am I making a baloney out of these theories. Just a thought…
Roman my mondays are not planned till monday morning. ;-)
Kohal you bring up a good point about the girls in typical desi families...hmmm is lack of freedom and forced marriage their fate or is it their lack of control on their lives.
DB, is it too much control that affects peace of mind or is it the consequences for going with the flow....
RareDiamonds, I like the way you analyze everything through Islamic teachings...in one way its nice that it gives us the direction of thinking but at the same time it also blocks us from thinking beyond the norms....what is "straight way of life" for you might be a different for others.
ciao
BoSS
sighz
if i had controll over gupshup…
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i wud make all the guppies write ** “BLaDeGiRL911 is the besttttt” **
and much more… but too bad 
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**Na Kabah mai na Be-tullah na dewaroun key sayoun mai, Namaz-e-Haq ada hotien hain Talwaroun key sayoun main
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Oh no not again BoSS
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I wanted to give my neurons a break specially after midterms:p…
Too much control…out of control.
Hmmm mischevious smile are u sure u’re not taking lessons from Nova? 
What a mind bender
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…Gfq puts her thinking cap on Think. Think. Think. Alright, here i go…
I guess too much control can lead to lack of control in the same sense that too little control leads up to a lack of restraint. I mean both are extremes right? And for the most part…to have something survive, to have something persist, to have something to have something last, you have to strike a balance…something rational…and extremes aren’t always rational hmm wonder if anyone knows what i’m saying here Anyhow with extremes its only too easy to go off on a tangent, its hard to keep in sight of reality, maybe that extreme will bring you closer to you goal, your dream, your desire, but it will also tamper with your perspective..in that it wont be as balanced as apt, kinda like the frog who climbed to th e top of small hill and said he’d seen the world…hmm maybe thats not a good example sheepish smile anyways, my point was that going to extremes can make you lose sight..lose focus (ie.examples involving frogs 'n hills in the case of gfq) Sighzamazoiders i’m like fighting like crazy to keep my mind in orbit round your question
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I guess the concept…the urge, rather to control everything arises from dislike of uncertainty–even fear maybe, I mean we all must have experienced a time at least once when things went out of our control…went beyond our grasp, spinning into uncharted space, sometimes teetering off the edge into ambiguity. The feelings of instability, uncertainty, the vagueness of the unknown can be pretty overwhelming and bewildering at times…and this is what can lead to a desire for control…which is fully and completely understandable. And there is perhaps, nothing wrong with it, except that desire—that need for control if taken far enough can in itself lead to a suffocation of possibility, a quenching of originality, a denial of creativity…opportunity and future possibilities. And i guess therein lies, ironically, the risk of too much stability…of too much control.
About interfering in God’s business, i don’t think there’s anything in that really. I mean Allah swt is the All Mighty..the All Powerful. There is nothing we can do to interfere in His most perfect and divine will, we are only mortals, only His creation. Everything that occurs in this life is according to the will of Allah swt. There’s a divinity that shapes our ends, Rough hew them how we will.…hmm hamlet i think rueful smile
Okay…yikes thats alot of bafflegab
Hope it makes some sense to you…if not then too bad cause u already suffered through it:)
Fee AmaanAllah:)
Girl I can’t thank you nuf to have answered this thread and saving me from the words I might had to come up with while having the crummiest head aches (yeah its still there sniff cud u perhaps shmugggle me some advils from that clinic? Wud motrin do?)
BoSS, its the uncertainty that lies beyond the aftermath of either which u’ve mentioned drives us all thru turmoil of restlessness.
The fear of the unknown perhaps… like GFQ has stated.Solution lies within the word “balance” I think.
As far as destiny and fate goes… I’m lost as a blind bat and wud love Girl’s two cents worth on it. Pleeeeeej my
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Kishtella cud u shed some light here. Tis the month of giving ya know. buttery smiles
Adios!
DB still with a sore head, neck plus spine
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How can you be certain that God isn't letting you have that control cuz He wants you to have it?
Perhaps that is His way.
Daysee Babo:)
Oh alright.....just a quote though, maybe more later:)
**We are not permitted to choose the frame of our destiny. But what we put into it is ours.*
--Dag Hammarskjold*
ps. DB the clinic is no more :(
ps2. I saw nash girl today :)
ps3. Get some sleep that'll help some for sure 'specially after the wknd wry smile.....
[This message has been edited by Girl from Quraysh (edited November 28, 2000).]
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Originally posted by BoSS:
**Dopey to me control is directing influence over something. An example of extreme control is what pharaoh had over Egypt. Anyway, my question was more towards our capacity of thinking, decision making and relating it to sciences such as astrology and palmistry or beliefs such as fate. If I am too much in control of my actions then am I making a baloney out of these theories. Just a thought…
ciao
BoSS**
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What makes you think that human beings are too much in control of their actions? Perhaps they are going exactly where the fate intended them to take.
Okay so let me summarize it then…
Fate is a prewritten program, and we are like machines, intaking the software and running it thru, feeling as if its us who are generating the over all complexities to begin with? 
Hey Boss & salaams to everyone else. I don't know if you intended this topic to include FATE or whether control and fate go hand in hand. But since its been mentioned, Here's my 2 cents worth !..
As far as controling your life to the extent that your interfering with Gods plans/Business. I don't think anyone could do that, simply because one is only able to do what is written in their fate. (I don't want to bring too much religion into this.. since it's in the Gen forum).
So it begs the question, would it make any difference to You as a person and the way you live your life if you knew that your fate had already been sealed ??.
I had a similar discussion with a collegue a few weeks ago about this very topic. Basically his argument was that if everything was already dictated and planned (fate) then why bother trying to make something of your life ??.. what is written in your fate is what will happen.
My argument against that was to imagine yourself in a scenario.. Imagin that you are crossing a tall bridge and in the middle you notice someone who is about to take their life and jump off the bridge.
So.. armed with the knowledge that everyones life is already determined by fate and what will happen Will happen, would you attempt to stop the person from jumping off the bridge ?.
I think that most people regardless of their conviction in fate. Would attempt to stop this individual from jumping.
IMO, most people live their lives to the best of their abilities and always 'assume' they are in control of their life and the direction its heading. Simply because that is the only way they can stive to better themselves and work towards their goals in life.
DB ..
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Fate is a prewritten program, and we are like machines, intaking the software and running it thru..
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hmmm.. nice analogy, think of it this way, the program of life may be pre-written and we HAVE to process it... but the output is left upto you... you can either produce a simple text report is black and white or you can produce an all singing all dancing report with charts and graphs in glorious technicolour ! (sorry I think I got a bit carried away with that one ! ;) )
Death is only the Beginning.
Hey long time no see Arch. T'was 'bout time u replied yet again to BoSSy posts :0)
So okay, let me get this st... hmm... destiny slash fate is like the blue prints of a building. We're given the floor plans, and our goals are there laid down for us. How we build up the whole structure, or how we over come the obstacles during the construction process is entirly depended on how we choose to processit. Now am I getting the feel of it?
Okay rest of ya... why'd ya all faded out from the scene of this post here? yelling Report to head quaters immediatly, 'tis the month of thinking, and pondering. j.k.
Adios!
DB :0)
Hey DB !.. Sorry sis completely forgot about this thread ! (dam brain cells are all dying away) You know when you make some many posts in so many different threads you lose track of what you did ?... well I have been having one of those times !.. anyway agree with what you wrote .. just wanted to say that I wasn't ignoring you or anything like that.. Muaaf karna pyaree behna ! :)
Death is only the Beginning.
:) Thx for acknowledgement of that Arch! Yup time to give ourselves a break, have a great Ramdan!