To call a moron who destroyed Pakistan and gifted part of its land to India a great statesman needs his brain examined. But than Zia was a CIA man so they would like him. Pakistan is still paying a heavy price for what this brainless git did. Mush is far better than Zia, despite my dislike of Mush.
....But Zia may be of a lesser evil b/w the 2 because he didn't do anything during his 11-12 years in the govt. isn't it better to do nothing rather than doing somehting that leaves negative impact all over......
To call a moron who destroyed Pakistan and gifted part of its land to India a great statesman needs his brain examined. But than Zia was a CIA man so they would like him. Pakistan is still paying a heavy price for what this brainless git did. Mush is far better than Zia, despite my dislike of Mush.
Siachin is not under Indian occupation, Pakistan was able to consolidate its position and push Indian advances back on that uninhabitable piece of sorry land, where Bhattu, had he been around, was going to build a 7-star casino...
And if Zia was a CIA man, it took some ingenious stroke by Bhattu to appoint him the COAS superceding five other generals...
Mush is a chichora of the most vile kind...you can find dime a dozen mush's frequenting hair salons and running the flesh business all over Karachi...
....But Zia may be of a lesser evil b/w the 2 because he didn't do anything during his 11-12 years in the govt. isn't it better to do nothing rather than doing somehting that leaves negative impact all over......
he did not do anything that left a negative impact. how old are you, and where did you grow up. Zia's regime brought the drug and gun culture, the destruction of madrassas phenomenon by making them militant factories, and massive increase in sectarian and ethnic violence etc to name a few of his lasting gifts
Siachin is not under Indian occupation, Pakistan was able to consolidate its position and push Indian advances back on that uninhabitable piece of sorry land, ..
I know this one there was documentary on this where Pakistani forces recovered strategic peaks and territory from Indians...
Following is a off topic but its an exerpt from the Times article
Time July 31, 1989
On those occasions when the antagonists do fight at close range,
the results can be fearsome. In a month-long clash ending last May,
soldiers battled intensely on a mountain and ridges near the Chumic
Glacier. Both sides dispatched men in a furious race to an icy
21,300-ft.-high peak that commanded the area. "The secret in this
terrain," says an Indian officer, "is to be the first on top." Seeing
that the Indians would in fact get there first, the Pakistanis took a
gamble: in howling winds they tied two soldiers to the runners of a
helicopter for a seven-minute ride to the peak, not certain whether
wind speed and icy temperatures would cause them to freeze to death
before they reached their destination. The soldiers survived, landed
on the summit and held off about a dozen Indians climbing toward the
same spot.
During a month of fighting, the Pakistanis claim six of their men
died, while at least 34 Indians were killed; India refuses to release
its casualty figures. Though accounts of the struggle differ, it
appears that the Indians eventually requested a meeting between the
two opposing brigade commanders. After three sessions, both sides
pledged to pull back their men, and the Indians agreed to accept two
enemy posts that the Pakistanis said had been there all along. It was
the first time local commanders had met face to face to sort out a
Islamist fanatics, a misnomre, were acceptable to us when they were doing our bidding...but when Mush's patrons in Washington were on the receiving end, only then have they become a problem for cause we've started to turn on them on the behest of Washington...Islamic fanatics were our strategic assets and turning on them have hurt our long term interest then anybody else...
Speak for yourself bro.. .When you use the word "OUR" your implying the people of Pakistan had some say on the matter... These policies were put in place by the govt of Pakistan, which is hardly representative of the people in general... The only thing the people have to do with this policy is that they are ultimately the ones who are effected by it.
Zia is the one who forced my family to leave Pakistan... My father was pretty succesful lawyer in Karachi and a PPP wroker, back in 80 or 81. He protested against Zia along with the other lawyers, when Zia went back on his word with the elections etc. Long story short, the demostration was attacked, dad avoided being arrested, but they took his partner, through him in prison, tortured him and stuff... Dad eventually made it to the US and got asylum (which was a big deal because no one at the time could get asylum based on Zia related issues because Zia was a American ally..). So I have a lot of resentment for Zia.
“President Zia ul-Haq was a great leader, a true Pakistani patriot who prevented a Soviet invasion of Pakistan, won the war in Afghanistan, and advanced his nation’s strategic interests in Afghanistan and Central Asia. He was courageous, tough as steel, and refused to be intimidated by anyone. He was wrong to execute Pakistan’s deposed leader, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, but he still was a giant compared to Pervez Musharraf.”
Though I am great admirer of Eric Margolis, but here he is talking cheap. How in the hell Mush is different from Zia? Both dictators came through back door by kicking elected governments, one was involved in meaning less Afghan war and later became victim of the same war, the other involved in meaningless war against tribalism. Both are two faces of the same coin---Kiss a$$ of uncle Sam at the cost of Paki people and get dollars for feeding huge army and buying fire power---nothing else
sure man, get him in the line. sheeda after him, nawaz next, etc etc
if tomorrow some foriegn agency blew up some session where all our politicians were present, i would send that agency a thank you letter.
Yes Che I agree with you. Its defn time for Mush to go.
Margolis is a brilliant man, his book War at the Top of The World is a must read.
Mush is at the end of his lifecycle.. mark my words
Any day now the CIA will pull the plug on him and bring back "democracy" in the guise of Bhutto