-------------> Time Pass forever with Anwaar Qureshi :~)

AQ · October 2, 2007, 4:58am

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Sid

good night

aww Ahmer… buss yaheeN hooN

redidentity · October 2, 2007, 5:06am

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hmm.. itna chup chup q? is every thing alrite?

AQ · October 2, 2007, 5:15am

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haaN yaar... abb LIMITED SOCHON kaY saath aur kiyaa sochooN gaa :D

redidentity · October 2, 2007, 5:21am

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matlab.. :(

limited sochain.. kia hua hai aapko?

AQ · October 2, 2007, 5:38am

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choRo usual emotions... bahhhhhhh

okay back to normal.... so, what can you teach me about Ghazal...

what are the basic ingredients of Ghazal... I want to learn...

redidentity · October 2, 2007, 5:43am

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what can I teach U.. :$

aise kion kaha.. bus mujhe to itna pata hai Matla, Maqta, Radeef, Qafia..

mujhe kuch nahi aata.. ghazal ke baray main :(

aap bataeay na.. :$

AQ · October 2, 2007, 5:46am

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inn sub cheezoN ko define karo naa...

seriously, I dunno man... teach me :)

redidentity · October 2, 2007, 6:02am

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Dekheay..

Matla = Tuloo (Dawn) se nikla hai.. jese suraj tuloo honay se din shuru hota hai wese he mutla se ghazal shuru hoti hai.. Matla ka Hum radeef aur hum qafia hona zaruri hai..

Radeef = wo word jo her shair ke end main repeat hota hai.. same hota hai.. jese.. meri recently posted ghazal main Tanha..

Qafia = Qafia is a word jo similar sound produce kerta hai n ghazal k her sher k doosray misray main appear hota hai.. jese makaan, jahaan, dhuaan..

Maqta = Qata kalami pe jese kalaam khatam wese maqtay pe ghazal khatam.. poet can use his name or writing name (takhallus) in it :)

mujhe itna he pata hai :(

redidentity · October 2, 2007, 6:05am

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sorry mera internet thora problem ker raha tha.. jabhi thora slow.. :(

AQ · October 2, 2007, 6:08am

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Questions:

Agar same word (radeef) har line maiN ho tub bhee Ghazal kehlaaye gee?

kiyaa pehlaY sher maiN Radeef kaa honaa laazim hai?... (I understand kaY pehlaY sher kaY baa'd har sher kaa doosraa misraa radeef kaY qaafiye maiN honaa chaahiye...) I mean pehlaa sher kaY dono misraY hum qaafiyaa bhee hoN tau ghazal kee shart poori hoti hai?

redidentity · October 2, 2007, 6:17am

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jee.. matla ka hum radeef aur hum qafia hona lazim hai.. after wards her sher ka dosra misra radeef aur qafeay rule ko follow kerta hai..

ager ghazal ka doosra sher bhi hum radef aur hum qafia ho to usay hum matla sani kehtay hain.. matlab matla followed by another matla.. em not sure k ghazal ka her sher ager hum radeef aur hum qafia ho to usay ghazal kahain ge k nahi magar shayad usay ghazal hum kahain ge.. if n only if it follows the the rules of ghazal..

redidentity · October 2, 2007, 6:19am

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Ghazal **(pronounced as "ghuzzle")

Ghazal is a collection of couplets (shers or ashaar) which follow the rules of 'matla', 'maqta', 'bahar', 'qafiya' and 'radeef'. The couplets are complete in themselves and each may and usually do deal with topics/subjects completely unrelated to each other. All the couplets of a ghazal must be of the same **bahar, end in the same words (radeef) and have the same rhyming pattern (qaafiyaa). Every ghazal MUST have a matla. A ghazal may or may not have a maqta but if it does, it has to be the last sher of the ghazal.
To know what a ghazal is, it is necessary to know what these terms mean.

A few points to be noted:

Some ghazals do not have a radeef. They are called "Gair-muraddaf" ghazals. Even in such cases, qafiya is strictly followed. However, these are very rare.
Some Ghazals have the same radeef. They are called ham-radeef Ghazals. Often a Gazal is identified by its radeef, e.g. "aahistaa aahistaa".
It is possible that all the ashaar of a Ghazal are on the same theme.
In modern Urdu poetry, the restriction of bahar is somewhat relaxed. But even in those poems, the qafiya and radeef tradition is followed. *]The presence of maqta is often not considered necessary. One reason it may have been more prevalent in earlier times could be to establish ownership, and to prevent others from taking credit for the Gazal.

redidentity · October 2, 2007, 6:20am

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**Elements of a Ghazal**

**Bahar**: This is the metre of the poem. This can loosely thought of as the length of the sher. Both the lines of a sher MUST be of the same 'bahar' or 'metre'. Also, all the ashaar of a ghazal MUST be of the same bahar. There are 19 different metres that are used in Urdu poetry. In simple terms, they are divided into three categories - short, medium and long.
**Matla**: This is the first sher of a ghazal, and both lines of the sher must end in the radeef. Usually a ghazal has only one matla. If a ghazal has more than one matla, then the second matla is called 'matla-e-saani'.
**Maqta**: A shaayar (poet) usually had a pen-name under which he wrote. The pen-name is called 'taKhallus' (takh-ul-lus). The sher in which the taKhallus is included is called the maqta. It is the last sher of the Ghazal.
**Qafiya**: The rhyming pattern of the word(s) just before the radeef at the end of the line in a sher. This is a necessary requirment, followed even in the absence of other rules.
**Radeef**: Word or phrase that is repeated at the end of the second line in EVERY sher. The SAME word(s) are repeated. The matla has both lines ending in the radeef.

AQ · October 2, 2007, 6:21am

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so ghazal is something that is like in the format:

AA, BA, CA, DA, EA, FA

is there any limit for the number of shairs? like minimum, maximum....

I am still not sure about ending with "same words" (radeef) in matla'... are you sure, ghazal has to have a radeef with same words at the end of each misra in matla' :)?

AQ · October 2, 2007, 6:22am

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ha!!!... i just read: Gair-muraddaf

so in that case... qafiyaa should be followed in matla' too...

P_G · October 2, 2007, 6:22am

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^ yeh app nay title main FOREVER ki qaid kion lagayee hain ..is say to bohat say khadshaat zahir hotay hain

redidentity · October 2, 2007, 6:26am

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is ka jawab aapko mil gaya na.. upper ke details main :)

AQ · October 2, 2007, 6:27am

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I did not expect it to be sticky :) and I did not wish to post in the other time pass thread so I opened it...

So, in times, if this thread is locked, I will permanently leave Time pass threads :)

redidentity · October 2, 2007, 6:27am

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nahi.. there isnt any limit of shers as far as maximum is concerned.. minimum 3 sher honay chaheay.. :)

deep_ocean · October 2, 2007, 6:28am

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