PS: If Ahmadis are not Muslim then who is? Oh..those Kalashnikov wielding madrassa educated terrorists? OK got it.
Thank god for Ahmadis for giving Islam some credibility otherwise it is squarely considered a religion of terror.
A muslim wouldnt have said such a low thing .... this above thought process is clearly indicative of the fact why the courts gave their verdict on ahmedi organization being non muslims.
Religion is a very sensitive issue CG. No matter how unbiased admins and Mods can become, there is always some factor that can never be agreed by both parties. Best is to avoid such thread as much as possible.
next time, when you quote someone, please also provide the link to that thread, Its easy that way for the mods.
TLK, I have been given infarctions for much less than blasphemy and deliberate provocation but this hanibal guy always gets away with it. Hard to remain patient on provocations all the time. When deciding on warnings mods should also consider deliberate provocation from other side.
A muslim wouldnt have said such a low thing .... this above thought process is clearly indicative of the fact why the courts gave their verdict on ahmedi organization being non muslims.
Chcikcek brayani, these Kalashnikov wielding madrassa guys are condemned by many good people. In fact governments take actions against such people. I don't see these critics being declared non-Muslims. Courts have no business with anyone's faith anyway, this is god's job. Pakistan has become a joke among world nations just for such dark age stuff. Anyone who thinks such things right in 21st century needs to reconsider his mental health or values or both.
You are just upset at something else which is that these guys are somehow ideologically associated with you and you are unable to defend them.
search all the ahmadi related threads and u'll see that we have been very very patient with all the crap the so called 'muslims' come up with against us
No, its because the abusive posts by ahmadis are very offensive and being moved and edited all the time.
Just look at your language and look at test01 and bigbooi, you guys are the very bad examples of ahmadis.
And okay we accept that we are "so called muslims" but ahmadis aren't even qualified for this title of "so-called muslims". Get you facts right.
Chcikcek brayani, these Kalashnikov wielding madrassa guys are condemned by many good people. In fact governments take actions against such people. I don't see these critics being declared non-Muslims. Courts have no business with anyone's faith anyway, this is god's job. Pakistan has become a joke among world nations just for such dark age stuff. Anyone who thinks such things right in 21st century needs to reconsider his mental health or values or both.
You are just upset at something else which is that these guys are somehow ideologically associated with you and you are unable to defend them.
And you believe those "many good people" are no one else but Ahmadis, wake up.
No, its because the abusive posts by ahmadis are very offensive and being moved and edited all the time.
Just look at your language and look at test01 and bigbooi, you guys are the very bad examples of ahmadis.
And okay we accept that we are "so called muslims" but ahmadis aren't even qualified for this title of "so-called muslims". Get you facts right.
ohh so that what you were talking about....hmm...challien aap mere se to khush hian na?
ohh so that what you were talking about....hmm...challien aap mere se to khush hian na?
I think you are nice and kind......well so far.
Re: threads about ahmadi beliefs in religion forum
ohh dont worry I would stay like that....but the fact is women has ability to shake heads around....and everyone's head can be shaken...especially mine...to mere pe aap zara hola haath rakhyye ga...lolz
i'm losing my patience with this bull****... i can attack and provoke just as much if not more and then all the 'muslims' will be crying about hurt feelings
search all the ahmadi related threads and u'll see that we have been very very patient with all the crap the so called 'muslims' come up with against us
i've tried over and over to have a productive discussion with most of these guys and have found none willing to learn... the aim is always to indulge in mudslinging and provoking. Its allegation after allegation after allegation.
Hence i ask that such threads should not be allowed. If you insist on freedom of expression then there must be some checks and balances. Go through all the threads on such topics and u'll find many many ofensive posts towards ahmadis still there. But that shouldn't surprise anyone, because when you have moderators who also hold similar views then such offensive remarks seem quite tame.
Most of these threads are started by Ahmadis in an attempt to promote Ahmadiyat. One thing they underestimate is that it is not 18th century when Mirza saab started and actually influenced many ....those influenced were mostly uneducated simple people willing to believe anything.....
Now it's 2009, people pretty much know the truth and fight back. If you really want this to stop, Ahmadis have to stop promoting ...
RC
I accept you as a TRUE lover of Mirza saab because you even talk like him… Almost exact same Language of nabi. see below for some examples:
Mannerism of Mirza saab
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[li]“My enemies are dirty swine and their women are more wretched than b.itche.s”[/li][LIST]
[li](Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 14, P. 53; Najmul Huda, P. 10, 53)[/li][/ul]
[li]“All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes (b.astard.s); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me.”[/li][ul]
[li](Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 5, Page 547-548; Mirat-o-Kamalat-i-Islam, P. 547[/li][li]Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548)[/li][/ul]
[li]“Are they prepared to swear? No, they’ll never do so because they are liars and are derooting the corpse of falsehood like dogs.”[/li][ul]
[li](Supplement to Anjam-e-Atham, P. 25; Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 11, P. 309)[/li][/ul]
[li]“I look a sinful man among debauched who is more scoundrel and an execrated being like Satan… He who is called Saadullah by the ignorant is slanderer, wicked and a falsifier… You injured me, b.astar.d. I won’t be truthful if you won’t have a disgraceful death.” [/li][ul]
[li][COLOR=black](Haqiqat-ul Wahi, P. 14-15; Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 22, P.. 734-735) [/COLOR][/li][/ul]
[li]“If Abdullah Athum is saved from death (as per Mirza’s prophecy) and if all the world say the Christian was correct, then the ******* will not follow the right path.”[/li][ul]
[li](Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 9, P. 32)[/li][/ul]
[li]“Abdul Haq is not content with our victories. He is itching to become a b.astar.d.”[/li][ul]
[li](Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30)[/li][/ul]
[li]“There is nothing more foul than a pig in the world. But the ulema who oppose me are more foul than pigs.”[/li][ul]
[li](Anjam-i-Atham, P. 21)[/li][/ul]
[li]“You have inflicted pain on me with your foulness. You are not truthful. I pray that you die in shame, you son of a harlot.”[/li][ul]
[li](Anjam-i-Atham, P. 288)[/li][/ul]
[li]“This b.astar.d of a doctor does not thread the straight path.”[/li][ul]
[li](Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30)[/li][/ul]
[li]He called Shaikhul Islam Saanaullah of Amristar: [/li]
“O, the son of wind, o traitor…”
[ul]
[li](Ijaz-i-Ahmadi, P. 43/77)[/li][/ul]
[/LIST]
Keep it up Bigboi AKA NUMB…lol
RC
Religion is a very sensitive issue CG. No matter how unbiased admins and Mods can become, there is always some factor that can never be agreed by both parties. Best is to avoid such thread as much as possible.
next time, when you quote someone, please also provide the link to that thread, Its easy that way for the mods.
Ahmadi or Muslim, religious belief has to carry more weight and importance to be able to avoid this kind of diplomatic but lame excuse/comment.
Being diplomatic or fair in this silly forum is not one of the questions you will be asked in the grave....so for once, be a man and tell the world whose side you are on...
RC
Re: threads about ahmadi beliefs in religion forum
RC allegations are being replied in Fundamental thread.
This is exactly the reason why i dont like debating, when all the other person is doing is copy/pasting.. I mean seriously , Say swear to Allah that you’ve read the books to which you’ve given these quotes from? Be careful to answer this because you might not be able to answer me the question i’ll ask next if you answer to it as ‘yes’.
PS: didnt realize.. you did this same copy/pasting on fundamental beliefs of Ahmadi thread also. well, take this as a reply to that too.
Re: threads about ahmadi beliefs in religion forum
^ Are you denying these are not Mizra written words? Be very careful before you answer this, ..
Ps. Did he actually died in washroom, or it's just a myth?
Ps. Did he actually died in washroom, or it's just a myth?
Being a mod you should have the sense to;
Ask the person who makes the claims for proof, and
If there is no proof, know the status of this claim yourself.
But more than that know the quality of the religious scholars, supposedly more pious. If they are lying their heads off then what would be the quality of gneeral public? Not that they will ever accept.
^ Are you denying these are not Mizra written words? Be very careful before you answer this, ..
What is wrong with those quotes? What is the view of non-Ahmadis re people like Salman Rushdie or other people who insult prophet? Not only are they termed in worst terms possible by the religious scholars, ie they are considered worst of the worst, they are also deemed fit to be killed. The difference between Ahmadis and non-Ahmadis is that Ahmadis do not agree with the last part ie killing. So Ahmadi view is kinder, they let them say what they say without killing them but do express the disgust. Compared to that non-Ahmadis also show their disgust in strongest terms but are also savages enough to try to kill them too which is against the Quranic teaching of “no compulsion in religion”.
Re: threads about ahmadi beliefs in religion forum
RealityCheck, what is the language your religious scholars have for those who insult Holy Prophet saw? Apart for demanding Muslims to Kill them that is. Is that a kind way to deal with anyone? but Muslim find it appropriate and within Islamic injunction.
Most of these threads are started by Ahmadis in an attempt to promote Ahmadiyat. One thing they underestimate is that it is not 18th century when Mirza saab started and actually influenced many ....those influenced were** mostly uneducated simple people** willing to believe anything.....
lol....you are kidding right? The only Nobel Prize winner finds it reasonable and so does the only real foreign minister Pakistan ever had, the first one, and the president of the International Court of Justice. So did many other learned and enlightened people. In contrast how many such good people you can present from your own society considering that you number many more than Ahmadis? From where I see, there are mostly dumbest, crudest and most violent of people on your side and the whole world agrees with me. Not a sign of wisdom, intellect or spirituality. Pick almost any religious Mullah of yours, supposedly more pious among you, he is either a liar or a cheat or a terrorist or a combination of these. If this is Islam then I am better off kafir.
Fact is opponents of Ahmadis stand on two legs; lying and terrorism. If they are so truthful why do they need to persecute Ahmadis and ban Ahmadi books? If Ahmadis are so wrong, non-Ahmadis should be printing Ahmadi books with their own expense and show to the world instead of banning them. Rather what they do is pick one sentence here one sentence there and try to show stuff out of context and hope that they’ll fool the people. Sorry folk this circus is coming to an end.
Last but not least who is facing the wrath of Allah? Almost every molvi is now saying that Pakistanis are under azab. Not a sign of a pious people, if you ask me. In contrast the persecution of Ahmadis is inline with persecution of pious people since the time began including Holy Prophet saw and his companion. So the truth is obvious for anyone who has eyes to see.
Now it's 2009, people pretty much know the truth and fight back. If you really want this to stop, Ahmadis have to stop promoting ...
RC
Please fight back, what are you going to fight back with? The whole society you belong to is corrupt, both the religious and political leaders you have are the worst people among you. Not that the general public is much good. The whole society of yours is under Allah’s azab of various kinds. Every day brings only bad news for you. I don't know what are you going to tell Ahmadis? You a have a huge task to get your own society fixed before it is completely destroyed by Allah's azab.
Feel free to fight back if you still want.
Who put this guy a Moderator? I seriously demand for this guy to be taken off? A bias person cannot be a Moderator.
I guess the chap or his family or whoever reported the incident to him saw whole thing with his eyes and reporting this back. I think you should say this as well with your post to give it more credibility.
Please read follwoing as an answer to this:
[RIGHT]وفات پر اعتراض کا جواب[/RIGHT]
[RIGHT]راشد علی اور اس کا پیر اپنی ’’ بے لگام کتاب‘‘ میں لکھتے ہیں ۔[/RIGHT]
[RIGHT]’’موت کا شکنجہ :۔
’’بالاخر مخالفین کی ہزرہ سرائیوں سے تنگ آکر مرزا صاحب نے اللہ تعالیٰ کی جناب میں دعا کی کہ اگر جھوٹے مفتری ہیں تو اللہ تعالیٰ انہیں ہیضہ اور طاعون سے موت دے دے۔ چنانچہ یہ دعا مقبول بارگاہ ایزدی ہوئی اور ایک سال بھی گزرنے نہ پایا کہ مرزا صاحب بآد حسرت ویاس اپنی منہ مانگی موت یعنی ہیضہ کا شکار ہو کر چل بسے۔ مرتے وقت کلمہ تک نصیب نہ ہو سکا۔ زبان سے جو آخری الفاظ نکلے وہ یہ تھے
’’ میر صاحب (مرزا صاحب کے خسر) مجھے وبائی ہیضہ ہو گیا ہے۔
(حیاتِ ناصر مرتبہ شیخ یعقوب علی قادیانی صفحہ ۱۱۴)‘‘
یہ بھی حسبِ معمول راشد علی اور اس کے پیر کی خیرہ سری ہے جو انہیں بار بار جھوٹ کی لعنت کا مورد بناتی ہے۔
i:۔ وصال کا سبب حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام جس درد اور کرب کے ساتھ اسلام پر حملوں کے دفاع میں مصروف تھے۔ اس کے لئے دن رات کی علمی محنتِ شاقّہ ، آرام میں کمی اور غذا کی طرف سے لاپرواہی کے نتیجہ میں آپ کو اعصابی کمزوری کی وجہ سے اسہال کا مرض اکثر ہو جاتا تھا ۔ امرِ واقعہ یہ ہے کہ جس صبح حضرت مسیحِ موعود علیہ السلام کی وفات ہوئی ہے اس سے ملحقہ کئی دن آپ مسلسل دن رات تحریر وتقریر میں مصروف رہے حتّٰی کہ وفات سے بیس گھنٹے قبل بھی آپ نے لاہور میں صاحبِ علم افراد کے سامنے ایک طویل تقریر فرمائی ۔اس کی وجہ سے آپ کو اعصابی کمزوری لاحق ہوئی پھر رات کو اسی وجہ سے اسہال بھی آئے۔ اس کیفیت کا ہیضہ سے دُور کا بھی تعلق نہیں۔ نہ ہی روایات میں ڈاکٹروں کی طرف سے اس کا ذکر ملتا ہے۔
حضرت میر ناصر نواب رضی اللہ عنہ کی صرف ایک روایت ہے جو حضرت مسیحِ موعود علیہ السلام کے مکذّبین ایسے رنگ میں پیش کرتے ہیں کہ گویا آپ کی وفات کی وجہ یہ تھی کہ آپ اپنے دعوٰی میں صادق نہ تھے۔
حقیقتِ حال یہ ہے کہ حضرت میر ناصر نواب رضی اللہ عنہ کی اس روایت سے یہ نتیجہ نکالنا کہ واقعۃً حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام کو وبائی ہیضہ ہو گیا تھا بالکل غلط بات ہے۔ اس فقرے کا مطلب تو صرف اس قدر ہے کہ حضرت مسیح موعود علیہ السلام نے حضرت میر صاحب سے استفسار کیا کہ ’’ مجھے وبائی ہیضہ ہو گیا ہے ؟ ‘‘ اور محض پوچھنے کا مطلب ہرگز یہ نہیں ہوتا کہ واقعۃً وہ بات ہو بھی گئی ہو۔[/RIGHT]
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