Only if they allow a McDonald's on each street corner, perhaps.
i think this is all slightly imperialistic and reeks a bit of paternalism...we know what's good for you... you've been politically repressed for years....shush now we'll take care of you...etc etc.
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Not that they were at all patronized by Saddam fo 30 yrs. "....shush I'll take care of you...and if you don't like it or have something to say about it you die!"
All of a sudden Iraqis are being patronized. Gott im Himmel!
america is not wanted in iraq simple as that to patronise the whole nation of iraq as knowing nothing but a few slogans is insult of the worst kind. They want islamic rule not secular extremism
America is not wanted there simple as that no matter what rumsfield says or his right wing extremist government the reality is america is hated just as bad as saddam is end of!
What a pity - if anyone truly wanted genuine democracy and liberation for the people of Iraq, both of you would be applauding this first FREE political demonstration. Isn’t this, afterall, what Rummy and Bush were stating that they wanted to give Iraq - give it a chance to possess a true democratic system? Why are both of you apparently so upset - why not be happy for a people demonstrating in the first free, (non-governmental sponsored) political demonstration many of them may have known in their lives. Just because they aren’t chanting the types of slogans the American administration would prefer, is no reason to deny them their fundamental right for self-governance.
...shush I'll take care of you...and if you don't like it or have something to say about it you die!"
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That sound just like the American occupiers in Iraq today. We'll take care of you, and if you don't like it you'll die - for proof look at how US occupation terrorists butchered 17 Iraqi demonstrators in Mosul the other day.
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In the meantime, they shouyld be given credit for having the gumption to at least do something totally foreign for a change - express themselves freely, right or wrong!
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I would consider my statement approbation, not condemnation!
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Nadia - I AM applauding - did you miss this?
I would consider my statement approbation, not condemnation!
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That is excellent, then. i am sure while you are applauding their courage, you will no doubt also want the British and American governments to heed the request of these Iraqi protestors - and withdraw all of their forces immediately?
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Nadia,
Sorry. No. I don't think they should yet. 2 soon. Time to wait and and see.
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Agreed, AAG! Could you hear the outcry? And, where are all the Arab nations lining up to help rebuild Iraq? About as much help as they've been to the Afgahns!
We came in, made a mess, and now, like true friends, we will clean up our mess before we leave, so our host doesn't have to deal with it!
But, face it, we will be blamed for every social and economic problem in the region for decades...
It's like those who started claiming any WMD found would be "planted" by US forces, before we even entered Iraq!
It's easy for those who don't shoulder the responsibility to find fault.
If the Iraqi public wants Islamic Rule, isn't that thier choice? If this is about democracy and Iraqs freedom to choose thier leader, then what y'all so uptight about? You've liberated Iraq, Its time to make an exit, quit while your ahead.
Not certain how much of this is accurate… interesting read. Revolution city, Peter Beaumont The Guardian, 20 April 2003
Now the war is over, Iraq’s downtrodden Shia majority is rising up. It speaks with many voices, but its demand is simple - Islamic government under sharia law.
Ah… If only it were that simple. And I’m surprised you can’t see deeper into this…
The Shia are but one group of Iraqis, and they will be unable to impose their form of government on the other citizens of Iraq.
Do you honestly believe that anyone would accept that form of government? Do you honestly believe that just because the majority group (and I personally think only a small number of this majority group) desires this freedom-less government that it should be accepted at the cost of the other people in Iraq who yearn for freedom? Are the rights of the Kurds any less valid than those of the Shia? What about the Christians in Iraq? Should they live under sharia law? That’s terribly amusing.
Anyone who wants a form of government that excludes the rights of others should happily pack bags, get on a big boat, and go find an unchartered island to live like the freaks they are.
How many times does History have to prove this?
** NOTE - If you want to discuss Islam and religion please open a separate thread in the Religion forum.**
The majority should decide what kind of government they want. Thats the democratic way right? What if the majority choose the Islamic Government (which is the way it seems), Will it suddenly become undemocratic?
And like you said, if the 'others' dont like it under sharia law, they can pack thier bags. I'm sure they're plenty of democratic countries that'll take them in.
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The majority should decide what kind of government they want. Thats the democratic way right? What if the majority choose the Islamic Government (which is the way it seems), Will it suddenly become undemocratic?
And like you said, if the 'others' dont like it under sharia law, they can pack thier bags. I'm sure they're plenty of democratic countries that'll take them in.
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No, it's not the democratic way to infringe upon basic rights for everyone just because the majority wants to.
Your argument would lead one to think that slavery should still exist...
There must be a seperation of church and state. Your argument is exactly why that part of the world is doomed to fail. Until everyone can live side by side in a free an open society, practicing the religion they wish without infringing on the rights of their neighbors, you'll continue to see strife in the middle east.
Don't take my word for it though. History proves it.