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Originally posted by aahmed:
**ukhalil, yeah the Americans don't need to "make muslim fools", so called muslims like you are already fools. You don't know your head from your rear, you're ignorant, you're brainwashed, and YOU my friend do not practice what Islam preaches. Also, Hadeeth are total BS, god says to follow what is written in the Quran, not so called words of the prophet that were written down 250 years after his death.

Don't even bother trying to defend hadeeth and all that garbage to me. People like you have raped islam into becoming an intolerable, hate religion.

But whatever, we will all find out on the day of judgement, so you can have your beliefs and I can have mine, I won't try to shove my beliefs down your throat, if you stop doing islam islam in every thread, when you don't know jack about islam.

Ok, deal?? Let me be the kaafir that you think that I am. And I will let you be the ignorant fool that you are. One day we will all know the truth, till then... take it easy, and if it's easy, take it twice.**
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God, I am gonna name you alibeta3, ok buddy listen up!

You're supporting american cause you're not awawre of the facts! America has publicly said that it was worth killing muslims in iraq which totalled up to 1.5 million muslims including 500,000 iraqi children! Now how could you support a country like that? What are you? Dont you feel the pain of the muslim umma?

It says in islam that when a muslim is hurt, every muslim should feel the same pain! And presently what are you doing? Supporting a kuffar state, You're making me sick by supporting a kuffar state man! GOSH!

I am brainwashed? How can you say that? You dont even know me!

Your words clearly prove that you're not a very good muslim since you're saying hadeeths are BS!(Toba, Astaqfiruallah!)

You dont know what you're saying. Your brain is full of doubts my friend, get rid of them before it's too late!

You're saying I dont know nothing about islam? How can you say that? Your words are telling me you're a so-called muslims!

Where does it says in islam not follow the haddeeths and say pulicly hadeeths are BS? LOL!

Go fix yourself up... dont teach islam to me yet your brain is full of american propaganda!

God man, I shouldn't even talking to you! A guy who says hadeeths are BS? Listen, I dont wanna hear anything from you in my threads! PLEASE, if you can do that, it'll be a big favor to me since I wouldn't have to listen any BS from you! It's quite a relief...

Please man, Do not try to change islam! You have to change yourself, You can't change this islam!

And now, please do not comment in my threat cause I dont wanna hear anything from you!

You make me sick! GOSH!

khuda hafiz

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Hadeeth are coming from Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) or any Sohabakuram(if you know what that is since you're knowledge is very short).

Now how can you say it's 250 years after Prophet mohammed's(PBUH) death? Which fool has told you that? Don't tell me your source is your knowledge!

Also, you're telling me that after the demise of prophet mohammed(PBUH), then for another 250 years no one said nothing and allllllllll of a sudden they started saying hadeeths which are 250 years old? LOL! Your facts are illogical and do not make sense what so ever!

If this is the case which is virtually impossible, How can you prove it?

However, if you insist, let us know the reasons behind it.

Please man, get your facts straight and hopefully it’ll make it less embarrassing for you!

Thank you!

Khuda hafiz

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[This message has been edited by ukhalil11 (edited April 28, 2002).]

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Originally posted by reza khan:
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Originally posted by bcsm57:
** What are you talking about?!? No one is trying to make Muslims feel or look like fools. Yes Bin Laden did it, yes he is a Muslim, but that has nothing to do with anyone else.

Why do you let yourself be so fooled by this man? You must be more intellegent than to let someone, as stupid as OBL, pull the wool over your eyes!!! I think you know better, you are just one of those people, that can't admit when your wrong.

Brenda

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first of all brother Bin Laden never said that he did it, neither did he say he ordered it. But what he did say that it was a blow to america. So plz there is no evidence to say that he did it or he was behind it. u should have caught the hijackers but now the hijackers are dead, so bin laden is the only guy to bring justice to. americans will never catch him.

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The tapes speak for themselves. I agree he will never be captured. He will however one day be brought to justice, by a power with more authority than any Earthly government.

Why do you defend someone like him? He is a sorry excuse for a human being. I can not imagine any religion wanting to claim him as their own. From what I have heared come out of his mouth, he goes against every religion on Earth. I am sorry, but I can not remember the name of the religion that says it is ok to kill children.

Brenda

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!!!

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[quote]
Originally posted by bcsm57:
** The tapes speak for themselves. I agree he will never be captured. He will however one day be brought to justice, by a power with more authority than any Earthly government.

Why do you defend someone like him? He is a sorry excuse for a human being. I can not imagine any religion wanting to claim him as their own. From what I have heared come out of his mouth, he goes against every religion on Earth. I am sorry, but I can not remember the name of the religion that says it is ok to kill children.

Brenda

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I am sorry to..I cannot also remember the name of the religion where it says its ok to support a country which publicly says its worth killing and finishing the islamic faith!

God, get your facts straight...

[This message has been edited by ukhalil11 (edited April 28, 2002).]

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[quote]
Originally posted by reza khan:
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[QUOTE]
Originally posted by bcsm57:
** What are you talking about?!? No one is trying to make Muslims feel or look like fools. Yes Bin Laden did it, yes he is a Muslim, but that has nothing to do with anyone else.

Why do you let yourself be so fooled by this man? You must be more intellegent than to let someone, as stupid as OBL, pull the wool over your eyes!!! I think you know better, you are just one of those people, that can't admit when your wrong.

Brenda

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first of all brother Bin Laden never said that he did it, neither did he say he ordered it. But what he did say that it was a blow to america. So plz there is no evidence to say that he did it or he was behind it. u should have caught the hijackers but now the hijackers are dead, so bin laden is the only guy to bring justice to. americans will never catch him.

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PERFECTLY SAID!

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Agree with Ali beta
America is a free country for all including muslims, and muslims have more rights in America than in most 'muslim 'countries.

[This message has been edited by chillinaz (edited April 28, 2002).]

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[quote]
Originally posted by bcsm57:
** The tapes speak for themselves. I agree he will never be captured. He will however one day be brought to justice, by a power with more authority than any Earthly government.

Why do you defend someone like him? He is a sorry excuse for a human being. I can not imagine any religion wanting to claim him as their own. From what I have heared come out of his mouth, he goes against every religion on Earth. I am sorry, but I can not remember the name of the religion that says it is ok to kill children.

Brenda

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brenda, lets take it this way, to be honest if he has killed innocent he has no relation with islam. and secondly how do u know that he did it. as u say he has been boasting about it. then why in all those countless vdos he hasnt said that yes my organisation was behind it or that i ordered it. all that u have seen is people representing to be al qaeda saying that it was indeed that organisation. Plus those hijackers were drinking and watching strip tease in clubs, which inturn is an insult to islam, how culd one do these evil things and do that in the relegious zeal. Plz think about it.

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[quote]
Originally posted by ukhalil11:
** I am sorry to..I cannot also remember the name of the religion where it says its ok to support a country which publicly says its worth killing and finishing the islamic faith!

God, get your facts straight...

[This message has been edited by ukhalil11 (edited April 28, 2002).]**
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Now I think you need to get your facts straight. The US is not trying to kill the Islamic faith. In fact it is the largest growing religion in the US.

As far as I am concerned Bin Laden has nothing to do with the true Islamic faith. I am sure that most Muslims are as horrified at the events of 9/11 as anyone else.

Also while I can not speak for everyone in the United States, I certainly do not hold Muslims responsible for 9/11 and I have no desire to make Muslims look foolish or do away with their religion.

This is getting to be a pointless discussen. I will always believe he did it, and you will never believe he did it. So as the saying goes, lets just agree to disagree and drop the subject.

Brenda

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!!!

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[quote]
Originally posted by bcsm57:
** I certainly do not hold Muslims responsible for 9/11 and I have no desire to make Muslims look foolish or do away with their religion.

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Perfectly said!
This is the thing, i mean look at alibeta he is a muslim(or that's wut he claims) and he is saying muslim are responsbile. I mean there is no way if a christian or a hindu was responsible for these attacks, they would never say its we who did it.

They dont get it, that's what i am trying to tell em that its not muslims! If it were muslims, then why wouldn't OBL admit it? Would it do any harm to him?

I dont think so!

khuda hafiz

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[quote]
Originally posted by bcsm57:
** I certainly do not hold Muslims responsible for 9/11 and I have no desire to make Muslims look foolish or do away with their religion.

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Perfectly said!
This is the thing, i mean look at alibeta he is a muslim(or that's wut he claims) and he is saying muslim are responsbile. I mean there is no way if a christian or a hindu was responsible for these attacks, they would never say its we who did it.

They dont get it, that's what i am trying to tell em that its not muslims! If it were muslims, then why wouldn't OBL admit it? Would it do any harm to him?

I dont think so!

khuda hafiz

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[quote]
Originally posted by reza khan:
** brenda, lets take it this way, to be honest if he has killed innocent he has no relation with islam. and secondly how do u know that he did it. as u say he has been boasting about it. then why in all those countless vdos he hasnt said that yes my organisation was behind it or that i ordered it. all that u have seen is people representing to be al qaeda saying that it was indeed that organisation. Plus those hijackers were drinking and watching strip tease in clubs, which inturn is an insult to islam, how culd one do these evil things and do that in the relegious zeal. Plz think about it.

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I think he did it, because the boys he sent to do it, would not have, had the resources to pull it off. Haven't you seen the smug look on his face in all of the tapes? Also it seems to me that on one of those tapes him and another man, were talking about being amazed that the whole building went down. That they expected just some of the floors to go. I admit, I am not sure about this. Of course I don't think it has anything to do with the Islamic faith. I certainly do not believe that the Islamic faith believes in the taking of innocent lives.

As to the drinking and watch stip shows, I hadn't heared anything about that, and that behavior goes against most religions. At least I was taught those things are wrong.

I have thought about it a lot. In the beginning I didn't believe he did it ethier, but after watching more of those tapes I became convinced. In reality it does not matter what I think. I don't think he will ever be captured, as I think he would rather die than be captured. One day when we all have to answer to the creator, the truth will come out.

Have you ever wondered why he is hiding? If is didn't do it, why did he run away and hide?

I do not hate this man, but I do feel he has a rather twisted view of reality.

In any case, even if it is proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt that he did it, I certainly do not hold the Islamic faith responsible.

Brenda

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!!!

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it was on cnn they showed vidos of them watchin naked women and drinking alcohol. And for ur second opinion, there was no justification to attack afghanstan like that and killing civilians just like the hijackers did. Now people are more polarised, what bush has done is that he has radicalised people more. u dint get osama, omar, nor al zwahari, but just some small fishes. in the end the american would just leave afghansitan and leave the country in a chaos as it was before. this country could never function with a my choice of government fashion. lets see for how long the americans stay here before attackingbefore attacking and installing their own favourite government in iraq.

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Originally posted by reza khan:
*it was on cnn they showed vidos of them watchin naked women and drinking alcohol. And for ur second opinion, there was no justification to attack afghanstan like that. Now people are more polarised, what bush has done is that he has radicalised people more. u dint get osama, omar, nor al zwahari, but just some small fishes. in the end the american would just leave afghansitan and leave the country in a chaos as it was before. this country could never function with a my choice of government fashion. lets see for how long the americans stay here before attackingbefore attacking and installing their own favourite government in iraq. *
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I agree with you about Afghanstan. I never did understand why Bush went into that country. Sending American troops into that country was just as wrong as the attacks of the WTC. I have seen the pictures of the people that have been hurt there, and they are not all soldiers.It really just seemed like Bush wanted to take revenge on whoever was handy. Just like John Walker will be made into another scape goat. For sure a very small fish, that will at best, get life in prison, because Bush can't get OBL.

Please do not think for one second that I agree with what George Bush is doing, and planning on doing in the Middle East, because I don't.

Iraq, is another one I don't understand why Bush is so hot to go into. I don't understand why he feel so justified in trying to over throw Saddam Husien. Try being the key word. I don't think it will ever happen. I am afraid that if he really goes through with this, all he is going to acomplish is making the United States look stupid. It doesn't seem like anyone else is in favor of attacking Iraq.

I think the people of Iraq have suffered enough because of US policy. I am shocked and angered at what Bush is planning on doing to these people, but there isn't anything I can do to stop it. It is up to the other leaders in the Middle East to group together, and stop it. They could refuse to let their countries be used by the US for one thing.

Brenda

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!!!

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ukhalil, didn't I tell you that I won't try to shove my beliefs down your throat if you don't do the same to me? But you insist on telling me that I need to change, and then you yourself say that I can't say anything about you because I don't know you?? See, you're saying that you can do something but I can't, why is that? You can call me brainwashed but I can't call you brainwashed, because I don't know you... but do you know me?? I dare say that I don't think so, I don't keep company with the likes of you.

Now, like I said before, Hadeeth is made up, it was written down 250 years after Muhammed's death... that is my belief, let me believe what I believe. Secondly, who do you think you are to tell me not to post in your thread, you my friend are not a moderator, you are not the webmaster, you are in no way affiliated with gupshup other than being a memter, same as me. And if you don't want a discussion, don't post here, this is a 'discusiion' group, look up the meaning of the word 'discussion' in the dictionary, it means people can debate ideas, it's not my way or the highway... when you don't have any answers, you start telling people not to reply to your thread, what are you, four years old?

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I know! lol! Aahmed he told me the same! Not to post in his thread! Someone tell him this is a discussion forum and this post isnt his property!

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Ms. Brenda,

We all seems to be SEEKING the TRUTH But Truth itself is a pretty delusional Term, don’t you think so.

I thought to share with U the following URL. If U have Time, Please do read ALL the articles.
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index.html

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[quote]
Originally posted by aahmed:
**ukhalil, didn't I tell you that I won't try to shove my beliefs down your throat if you don't do the same to me? But you insist on telling me that I need to change, and then you yourself say that I can't say anything about you because I don't know you?? See, you're saying that you can do something but I can't, why is that? You can call me brainwashed but I can't call you brainwashed, because I don't know you... but do you know me?? I dare say that I don't think so, I don't keep company with the likes of you.

Now, like I said before, Hadeeth is made up, it was written down 250 years after Muhammed's death... that is my belief, let me believe what I believe. Secondly, who do you think you are to tell me not to post in your thread, you my friend are not a moderator, you are not the webmaster, you are in no way affiliated with gupshup other than being a memter, same as me. And if you don't want a discussion, don't post here, this is a 'discusiion' group, look up the meaning of the word 'discussion' in the dictionary, it means people can debate ideas, it's not my way or the highway... when you don't have any answers, you start telling people not to reply to your thread, what are you, four years old?**
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It's becase I dont wanna hear from any half muslims! Seriously, you guys make me sick!
Where does it says not to believe in hadeeths and publicly say hadeeths are BS? God, Way to go on changing Islam. Today you're saying that, who knows tomo you would be saying something else like change this in the quran,god you make me sick, from now on I am gonna ignore what you say! Simple as that..

So alibeta supporting ahmed, so I guess you say taht hadeeths are BS? If you do, I wouldn't be surprise, go watch some more cnn propapganda! LOL

khuda hafiz

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Thanks for the articles.

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I read the articles, and if the information in them is correct, it does change the entire situation. It almost sounds like they are saying that the CIA worked with Bin Laden to achieve the attacks on 9/11 for economic reasons. So if that is true, then maybe the US government in fact knows exactly where OBL is located, and maybe they are keeping him safe somewhere. If that is the case, it is the sickest thing I have ever heared of, as millions of people are suffering as a result. Or am I getting the wrong impression from the articles?

Brenda

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst!!!