THIS IS BIG: England Triggered ball row - Confirmed

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Shame shame shame on you all of you doubting your players your own men shame on you. Untill yesterday you were all up in arms supporting the team and backing the men. Why dont you use your heads and think that people at Sky are no friends of Pakistan and if they had something the smallest thing they would be showing it 24/7 on their sports news chanel. So get behind our boys.
I play cricket for a small club here in a small league and if Pakistan are dealt heavy handidly i am giving it up for life both watching and playing. As far as woolmer goes well this is what i would do if i feel i will not be given a fair chance of pleading my case. In this situation Umpires have doubted accused and punished pakistan and funnily enough they will stand witness to what they did when it goes to ICC.

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Its good, that Pakistan has taken this stance, if pakistan had played it would have been assumed that paksitan did tamper the ball... better to stamp out this issue once and for all...

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England deny Fletcher claims

The England & Wales Cricket Board has denied claims in today’s Daily Telegraph that Sunday’s ball-tampering row was triggered by a visit by Duncan Fletcher, the coach, to Mike Procter, the match referee, before the start of the fourth day’s play.

An ECB spokesman confirmed that Fletcher had met with Procter on Sunday morning but denied he had made a “specific complaint about the state of the ball”. However, the newspaper went on to say that sources close to the team have stated that Fletcher played a part in drawing the officials’ attention to certain issues.

“Duncan Fletcher visited the match referee’s room before play [on Sunday], a practice that is not unusual during an international match,” said the spokesman. “Because there is an ICC investigation ongoing we are unable to elaborate any further but we can confirm that no complaint about the match ball was registered. There were no complaints lodged about anything at all.”
No match officials were available for comment yesterday, and with Inzamam-ul-Haq’s hearing scheduled for Friday, none would have said anything anyway. If true, however, it would explain Darrell Hair’s sudden interest in the state of the ball on Sunday afternoon.

The report goes on to state that England’s players were concerned on Saturday and notes that Marcus Trescothick was “spotted watching Pakistan’s players through binoculars, presumably to ascertain what actions they were performing on the ball”. It added that Fletcher had also made enquiries as to why Sky TV cameras were not following the ball more closely as it was passed around the Pakistan fielders during the Headingley Test.

If it turns out that Fletcher did make an approach to Procter about the ball then the good relations between the two sides, which have been maintained despite the row at The Oval, will almost certainly nosedive, adding to the possibility that the one-day series might become another casualty of the row.

SOURCE: http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/engvpak/content/current/story/257401.html

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on sky news they were saying that the ECB has confirmed Fletcher did NOT pay a visit to the match referee?!?!!?

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I bet Fletcher did pay a visit to the match referee otherwise the drama would have not taken place and things would have not unfolded that quick.

Why I am so sure that Fletcher did pay a visit to match referee?

  1. The fact of the matter why the hell Trescothick used binoculars to spy on Pak players?
  2. One can expect this from Fletcher

I think what had happened is that IF Asif tempered the ball in one of the county match the English team and specially coach were thinking of exploiting Asif and drag him into this match since they were freakin losing this match. All those who were saying ECB is innocent there you go why they were acting innocent. As the famous saying "everything is calm before the big storm" indeed this was the big storm. It was all freakin Fletcer who started this row. No wonder why the freakin match referee was so quick to forefiet the match.

ITS ALL ABOUT GORA BIASED WHITE TRASH AND WHITE RACISAM. THEY FREAKIN CAN'T SEE ENGLAND LOSING TO PAK SINCE 1982.

IN MY EYES PAK WON THIS SERIES AS WELL. THEY CAN'T WIN BY PLAYING PROPER GAME THEY CAN ONLY WIN BY CHEATING. F*CK YOU ECB AND ICC.

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Beautiful understanding of the situation,…the way u put it----not so beautiful:bummer:

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Off course they are going to deny it, otherwise the whole conspiracy would come full circle...

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Fletcher is just a typical, english, narrow minded ,type of person,just read his description of Asif,s bowling at the end of 1st day,s play,He was saying like ,no asif did,nt made any difference,it was just we who played badly,and when at the end of 3rd test when asked he declared that Monty is the best fingure spinner in the world.Talk about bias,this is something.

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*** Woolmer also revealed that his family had talked him out of resigning.

***Are you reading it right? Where does it say he IS or WILL BE retiring?

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Had to take out my anger and frustration.

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Sir Dig ! I agree

In its initial stages even Pakistan team and PCB Chairman in his media talk mentioned this catagoricaly that ECB & PCB enjoy great working relations n there are no direct conflict between the two teams it translated.
even after the match was forfieted and rightly so awarded to England
both boards were in complete agreement.
Most of us Guppies also agreed on that decision for that matter, WHY? Because the rules were correct and implicable to the occurrence.
The later no where suggested that actual incident of ‘Ball tampering’ was also initiated in their hasty discussion to resume match.
Infact we all knew that ball tampering issue will be vigrously fought after the match, and Hair will be shamed beyond imagination.

Time takes its course, and each passing hour reveals another point of relevance to the case. On GS we discusse its uthenticity as much as we can,

I can not gurantee it if Pakistan is found guilty I will ever use this tone og writing ever again, but I know by my instinct and my heart that Pakistan Team has been hard done!! :bummer: Being a Saturday I watched every frame of the game and its preceedings when this boomshell was unleashed.
Only now I have been able to control my nerves n rest after 4 days of this drama. :bummer:

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You are indeed a patriot.

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Pakistan want Inzamam hearing delayed

Lawrence Booth
Wednesday August 23, 2006
The Guardian

The lawyers representing the Pakistan captain Inzamam-ul-Haq are to ask the International Cricket Council to delay his hearing, scheduled to take place in London on Friday, in order to allow them more time to prepare their case.

After meeting members of the Pakistan team and speaking with the Pakistan High Commission in London, Mark Gay, a sports specialist for the legal firm DLA Piper who has previously represented Rio Ferdinand and in 2003 worked with the England cricket team during the Zimbabwe crisis at the World Cup, said he was confident the ICC would be unable to produce any evidence of ball-tampering. "We are delighted to be representing Inzamam against these allegations and we are confident that justice will prevail in this case," he said.

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Shaharyar Khan, the chairman of the Pakistan Cricket Board, said: "We are determined to defend these charges vigorously and we wanted to make sure that we have the best possible representation."

Inzamam faces a level-two charge of tampering with the ball and a level-three charge of bringing the game into disrepute, but it is the outcome of the tampering charge that could determine whether or not the tour continues. A senior source within the tourists' set-up yesterday told The Guardian that if the ICC concurs with the umpires' view that Pakistan cheated on Sunday at The Oval, there was "no chance of the one-day series taking place".

But the hearing might not now be presided over by the Sri Lankan Ranjan Madugalle, who had been approved by the PCB, because of family problems. If he cannot make it, he is likely to be replaced by another senior ICC match referee such as his compatriot Roshan Mahanama or the West Indian Clive Lloyd, both of whom would be acceptable to Pakistan.

Any appeal against a conviction would then have to be heard within eight days of it being made, and the pressure on Darrell Hair, the Australian umpire at the centre of the controversy, intensified yesterday when it emerged that the chief executive of the ICC, Malcolm Speed, had gone to great lengths on Sunday evening to try to persuade Hair to back down and salvage the fourth Test.

Speed spoke twice on the phone to Hair as it became clear that the Australian umpire was the only obstacle to the continuation of the Test. The chairmen of the England and Pakistan boards, Khan and David Morgan, as well as the match referee Mike Proctor and the two captains, Inzamam and Andrew Strauss, were all prepared to resume play, leaving Hair and his colleague Billy Doctrove isolated.

The game was awarded to England after Pakistan were ruled to have forfeited the match, but Inzamam has called for the result to be overturned and a no-result declared instead. There has even been talk of Pakistan boycotting tomorrow's one-day game with Middlesex at Uxbridge in protest at their treatment, although a spokeswoman for the county said s*he had been assured by Pakistan team officials that the match would go ahead.*

Hair, though, has defended his role in Sunday's events. "People who know me and the sort of person I am know I would not take action unless I really thought it was necessary," he said. "I stand by what I have done, but if anything comes out at the inquiry that proves me incorrect I would accept that too. The media criticism has been hot, and that surprises me. But life goes on, nobody died."

Responding to criticism of his attitude by Shaharyar Khan, Hair denied he was biased against Asian teams. "There is no problem with me and the subcontinent," he said. "I have umpired quite a lot in the subcontinent over the last couple of years and, when the ICC have asked me to do a job, I try and do it to the best of my ability. I have always taken a lot of pride in my performance and while I am doing the best job I can I am going to continue."

Meanwhile, England have denied reports that their coach Duncan Fletcher visited Procter to ask him to watch out for any illegal practices by the Pakistan bowlers. They said that he went to consult Procter about the delay for bad light that held up the start of play for 15 minutes on the fourth morning. "We can confirm that no complaint about the match ball was registered," said an ECB spokesman. "There were no complaints lodged about anything at all."

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Woolmer said he had no issue with Duncan Fletcher visiting Mike Procter on the fourth - and ultimately final - morning of The Oval Test, and pointed out that the two men knew each other well from playing together for Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe. “He might well have gone there and said, ‘hello, good morning, how’s your wife?’ He may well also have gone in and said, ‘watch out, they’re tampering with the ball.’ I don’t think I can stop him from doing that. I think possibly I would have done the same thing. I should also point out that I spend a lot of time watching the England players through binoculars too.”

SOURCE: http://sport.guardian.co.uk/englandpakistan2006/story/0,1856065,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=7