There Should Be An Apology

[dutch_paki]

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@Reza Pahlavi

If some plain-clothes people chased you, what would you do?

Btw, the guy the British police murdered was a Brazilian, and they should apologize forthwith.

You are very good at looking from the victims point of view. Now try the governments point of view.

[K_Khan]

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@lazy_daisy

^^^ like…erm…BRADFORD

AAAAAARRRRRHHHHGGGGG!

Im not sure I like you Zombie!

Errr yep may be

D_P:- from Goverment’s point of view! what do you think about 5 bullets in HEAD? isn’t it an over kill! In my opinion ONE alive terrorist captured is better then killing 100 terrorists on site. because after all thats what they have planed to do in the 1st place (kill themselves and others) why not capture one and dig the roots out!

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@dutch_paki

You are very good at looking from the victims point of view. Now try the governments point of view.

What would you do if plain-clothes men started chasing you around London with guns pointing at you. No doubt you l(ike your Dutch alter ego) would just kneel before them.

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@lazy_daisy

^^^ she wants your house and my house to be pulled apart…carpets ripped up, computors taken away, the kitchen cupboards turned out and the contents tested, the gardens dug up and potting sheds taken over.
And one should stand there politely and think nice loving flowery thoughts about stardust and moonshine.

perhaps she should consider the real implications of her ideas to fix the world.

this is the best way to harbour resentment and cause more young people to consider harming innocent people in order to get back a message to the government

She is of course talking absolute nonsense. It’s an approach the Nazi’s frequently did to the Jews in Germany. Believe me when it happens to her we will see her post countless threads in every one of the GS forums complaining about how they damaged her kitchen cupboards, jewellery box, tore her clothes, trashed her pot plants, and ate her food as well! Maybe ‘they’ will also take away her pc as well, which would have untold consequences for her socially? It’s easy enough to wish such things on others, but when it happens to you, it’s rarely appreciated, and too often leaves resentment.

[lazy_daisy]

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Doesnt matter Reza, when that happens we will be on hand to offer her pearls of wisdom....
I knew there was a purpose to my life!

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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Metropolitan Police chief Sir Ian Blair said the shooting was "directly linked" to ongoing anti-terrorist invetigations in the capital. - July 22, 2005

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**Scotland Yard confirmed on Saturday that Mr Menezes, who lived in Tulse Hill, south London, was completely unconnected to Thursday's attempted bombings on three Tube trains and a bus. **- July 23, 2005

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**Met Police chief Sir Ian Blair said the death of Jean Charles de Menezes was a "tragedy", but admitted more people could be shot as police hunt suspected suicide bombers. ** - July 24, 2005.

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[NeSCio]

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@Pinstripe Danda

I was already searched in NYC twice in teh subway because of my gym bag this past week.** I don;t mind…I don;t run..I have nothing to hide. It is for the safety of my fellow riders that I have to endure a little due diligence. So do jews and blacks and arabs that live in NYC. **

The only people we get pissed at are the islamic terrorists who have made this world a dangerous place.

well said! :k:

if you know you have nothing to hide, then don’t run. And I’m sure if they would have called my father to stop, he would have stopped. As I said it’s better to kill one too many, especially if he’s ignoring calls from police officers and starts running, because that makes him the more suspicious.

[NeSCio]

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@mawarid

Nes, The question is of killing inncoent people. Are you saying that killing of innocent people apart from your own is OK?

you’re leaving out some of my words and thereby giving my opinion a different meaning…let me correctly rephrase what I said using this quote of yours:

Killing an -in retrospect- innocent, but acting suspicious person by accident is OK if that was done for the well-being of hundreds of others.

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@NeSCio

well said! :k:

if you know you have nothing to hide, then don’t run. And I’m sure if they would have called my father to stop, he would have stopped. As I said it’s better to kill one too many, especially if he’s ignoring calls from police officers and starts running, because that makes him the more suspicious.

They were in plain-clothes, not in uniform, but obviously you would kneel before anyone who shouted police, and pointed guns at you? What a coward.

[NeSCio]

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@Reza Pahlavi

They were in plain-clothes, not in uniform, but obviously you would kneel before anyone who shouted police, and pointed guns at you? What a coward.

well, not exactly kneel…but I would stop…certainly knowing the context: if there had been explosions in the subway the day before, and a group of four -not desi- people would tell me to stop, they must surely have their reasons

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@NeSCio

you’re leaving out some of my words and thereby giving my opinion a different meaning…let me correctly rephrase what I said using this quote of yours:

Killing an -in retrospect- innocent, but acting suspicious person by accident is OK if that was done for the well-being of hundreds of others.

He was not acting suspicious - that is what the police alleged. Right after they murdered this innoccent man, the police also alleged he was directly connected to the London bombings. Obviously being so gullable and slavish you believed them?

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@NeSCio

well, not exactly kneel…but I would stop…certainly knowing the context: if there had been explosions in the subway the day before, and a group of four -not desi- people would tell me to stop, they must surely have their reasons

How do you know that in the “context” this inncoent guy did not think that these plain-clothes people could have been the terrorists?

Btw, drop the non-desi rant, and replace it with the non-white, because the CCTV pics they have released of the four “suspects” are of blacks, plus the two people they have arrested are African, and one of the alleged 7/7 bombers was Jamaican.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=3403751&postcount=47

[5Abi]

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This is a case of paranoia and trigger-happy over-zealous police action. If he was under surveillance already at the flat where he lived, the police should have detained him and questioned him rather than wait for him to go to subway.

He had lived and worked in London legally for at least three years and spoke excellent English.

“They had to kill someone to show the whole population they are working and make the country safe,” he told the BBC.

“He does not have a past that would make him run from police,” he added in an interview for Brazilian TV.

But the BBC’s Tom Gibb in Brazil said Mr Menezes’ experience of Sao Paulo’s slum areas meant that he might - on the contrary - have run in reaction to having a gun pulled on him.

He was thought to be on his way to fit a fire alarm.

The house had been under police surveillance because of a suspected link to Thursday’s attempted bombings.

Police followed him as he caught a bus to Stockwell tube station.

BBC NEWS | UK | Family mourn for Brazilian victim

[Pinstripe_Danda]

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^ how do you prove a negative?

they yelled police, people heard them yell Police...how do you know the guy thought these plain clothes officers were terrorists? Were you in his head?

[ehsan]

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@Pinstripe Danda

^ how do you prove a negative?

they yelled police, people heard them yell Police…how do you know the guy thought these plain clothes officers were terrorists? Were you in his head?

PD, people in the tube said there was no warning from the police. Also, when there have been racist attacks since 7/7 how do you know that it is plain clothes police or BNP thugs?

[Silly_Billy]

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why did they let him get on a bus on the way to the subway?

[Goliko]

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@NeSCio

well said! :k:

if you know you have nothing to hide, then don’t run. And I’m sure if they would have called my father to stop, he would have stopped. As I said it’s better to kill one too many, especially if he’s ignoring calls from police officers and starts running, because that makes him the more suspicious.

Are you serious???If someone in plain clothes with guns in their hand starts running after you…what would you do??Wait for them to kill you??

[Pinstripe_Danda]

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Ehsan yaar, there are also quotes form people saying the police yelling to the passengers, "get down..get down".....I am not sure what the protocols of the police are in the UK, but all around the world, such utterance would have public safety in mind. Not sure how thugs operate in the UK but in most of teh world, public safety is not much of a concern.

[5Abi]

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PD, correction "there are also quotes from people saying the plain clothed men yelling to the passengers ..."

It was prolly dicovered after the fact that the plain clothed men were plain clothed police.

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@ehsan

PD, people in the tube said there was no warning from the police. Also, when there have been racist attacks since 7/7 how do you know that it is plain clothes police or BNP thugs?

Excellent point. Maybe the gora’s would not mind this sort of thing, and have nothing to fear as they would have not been the targets of racist thugs, but I am sure that a coloured Brazilian woud.