There never were any WMD

Time for a new WMD thread.. the “Have they found WMD yet” question no longer applies.

A few things coming out recently to prove with the best certainty possible that none existed during any relevant timeframe:

  1. David Kay, head of the US team charged with finding WMD evidence, was supposed to release a report sometime in September on his findings thus far. Until a few weeks ago, nutcase conservatives were holding this up saying “Just wait, Kay’s report will prove the doubters wrong!” Even Colin Powell said as much:

I thought they might still go through with it on time but keep the juciest parts classified.. well, not even that’s going to happen for a while, if at all:

After so strongly saying this would vindicate them, not presenting it can only mean they don’t have anything to present.

  1. An article today says John Pilger has video footage of Powell in February 2001 saying “[Saddam] has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.”.. the video doesn’t really matter since the transcript with those words is available online at the State website. Pilger also noted that Condi Rice in April said, “We are able to keep his arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.” So, what changed? One blogger’s comments on this:

On top of this you have the evolving position which was “He has WMD” and became “he had a WMD program” then “he had intentions” and now the argument is avoided whenever possible. Add to that the statements which have already made the WMD claims highly questionable..
There never were any WMD.

You are absolutely right there are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and even if there is then they will have the label made in usa or britain on them. The whole war is about controlling the oil and other resources of a soverign country, and now that america is losing the war in iraq and domestic public opinion is becoming anti-war Bush starts asking for UN troops to join the 40 000 plus green card holders who are already there.

My question is what will America do if after searching for lets say 6 months no WMD are found, will they apologise and leave, or will they continue their plan which is to divide Iraq and install a Iraqi hamid Karzai as a willing and sincere servant of America? Everyone knows the answer, but are the americans and some of their muslim supporters on this forum honest and sincere to acknowledge the reality or have they been blinded by patriotism and in the case of the muslims seduced by the western culture.

Scott Ritter (one of the weapons inspectors) has been saying it for ages that more than 95% of Sadam'a WMD were destroyed by the time UN weapons inspectors were forced to withdraw under pressure from US in Dec 1998 (if I remember the date correctly). The remaining 5% were past their shelf life so in fact there were no WMDs and the US regime knew that.

we'll see if this footage OR the news for that matter ever crosses the Atlantic..

‘No WMD in Iraq’, source claims

No weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq by the group tasked with looking for them, according to a Bush administration source who has spoken to the BBC.

The source told the presenter of BBC television’s Daily Politics show, Andrew Neil, this was the conclusion of the Iraq Survey Group’s interim report, which the source said was due to be published next month.

Mr Neil said the draft report says it was highly unlikely that weapons of mass destruction (WMD) were shipped out of the country to places like Syria before the US-led war on Iraq.

Blair and Iraq weapons

It will also claim Saddam Hussein mounted a huge programme to deceive and hinder the work of UN weapons inspectors, he said.

Mr Neil said, according to the source, the report will say its inspectors have not even unearthed “minute amounts of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons material”.

They have also not uncovered any laboratories involved in deploying WMD and no delivery systems for the weapons.

But, Mr Neil added, the report would publish computer programmes, files, pictures and paperwork which it says shows that Saddam Hussein’s regime was attempting to develop a WMD programme.

‘Savage blow’

UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said: "This is speculation on an as yet unpublished report.

“I await the report eagerly from Mr Kay (head of the survey group), as does the international community.”

Mr Straw argued the whole international community had agreed Iraq’s weapons programmes had posed - the issue had been what to do about it.

People did not need the ISG report for evidence of that threat, he said. It was already shown in volumes of reports from UN inspectors.

Downing Street said the leak story was “speculation about an unfinished draft of an interim report.”

A Number 10 spokesman said “we don’t have this text”, but asked if the prime minister had seem the report, remarked: “We are not going into details of process.”

Mr Neil, a former editor of the Sunday Times, stressed the Daily Politics had not seen the draft report, and was reporting what a single source had said its findings were likely to be.

Mr Neil said the report is being finalised and could undergo changes

He said the report was still to be finalised and could undergo some changes, but the source had been told the content of some key passages which are not expected to be substantively altered.

Former Tory Cabinet minister Michael Portillo said if these details of the report were true, it would be a “savage blow” to the prime minister.

The CIA has refused to comment until the report is published. The British Ministry of Defence said it had not seen the report and therefore also could not comment.

‘Fake facilities’

But the inspectors have uncovered no evidence that any weapons were actually built in the immediate years before the war.

It is alleged that Saddam’s programme of deception involved fake facilities and infrastructure to deceive and hinder the work of UN weapons inspectors.

The Group may well conclude that Iraq had an elaborate and secret effort to maintain elements of its weapons programmes - in “suspended animation” if you like - ready to be revived once the opportunity came

Documents have been uncovered showing weapons facilities were concealed as commercial buildings, the report is likely to say.

The Iraq Survey Group took over the job of finding WMD from the US military in June.

The survey group, led by David Kay, a former UN weapons inspector and now a special advisor to the CIA, is a largely US operation, although it includes some British and Australian staff.

Its 1,400 personnel are made up of scientists, military and intelligence experts and its work is shrouded in secrecy.

Its focus is intelligence, using documents and interviews with Iraqi scientists to build up a picture of the secret world of Iraq’s weapons programmes.

The Iraq Survey Group has been under a good deal of pressure to prove the Bush administration’s case that Iraq’s weapons posed a significant threat.

Gary Samor, of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London recently told the BBC that “it would have been far better to have asked the UN inspection teams back into Iraq after the war to complete their work”.

In his view, whatever the Iraq Survey Group comes up with, their evidence is going to have to contend with a huge degree of international scepticism.

Who said the war was about WMD, it was of course about liberating Iraq. It was Al Qaeda and its terrorists cell which had spread such malicious rumours regarding Iraq having WMD’s, in order to divert attention from the noble aims of US about liberating the people of Iraq. :rolleyes:

**CIA plays down hopes of finding Saddam’s WMD **](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/09/25/wirq25.xml)

In its first public comments on the search for Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, the CIA conceded last night that a long-awaited report on the hunt would reach “no firm conclusions”.

The comments appeared to underline diminishing hopes in Washington and Whitehall that WMD would be found.

After several months in Iraq following the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, David Kay, a former United Nations weapons inspector and the civilian head of the 1,400-strong Iraq Survey Group, is expected to submit his interim report next week.

With President George W Bush and his officials sounding less confident about the search for WMD in recent weeks, and talking more of weapons programmes than working systems, the CIA statement appeared to be an attempt to reduce expectations before the report’s publication.

“Dr Kay is still receiving information from the field. It will be just the first progress report and we expect that it will reach no firm conclusions, nor will it rule anything in or out,” a CIA spokesman, Bill Harlow, said.

In London the BBC quoted an anonymous source in the US administration saying the inspectors’ report would conclude that the group had found no evidence of WMD.

Andrew Neil, the presenter of BBC television’s Daily Politics, said the report would say the group’s inspectors had not unearthed even minute amounts of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons material. But the report would publish computer programmes, files, pictures and paperwork showing that Saddam’s regime was attempting to develop a WMD programme. It would also claim that Saddam mounted a huge programme to deceive the UN weapons inspectors and hinder their work in the run up to the conflict.

That accords with what Dr Kay told the US Congress in July, when he also promised “surprises” for those who doubted the existence of Saddam’s weapons programmes.

A No 10 spokesman said: "People should wait. The reports today are speculation about an unfinished draft of an interim report that has not even been presented yet. And when it comes it will be an interim report, the ISG’s work will go on.

“The UK has played a significant role in the work of the ISG, including providing its deputy director, and our clear expectation is that this interim report will not reach firm conclusions about Iraq’s possession of WMD.”

But the emergence of the claim, a year to the day after the publication of the Government’s dossier outlining the case for war, underlines the Prime Minister’s continuing inability to shake off the issue.

Neil admitted that he had not seen the draft report, and was reporting what a “single source” had said its findings were likely to be.

The report was still to be finalised and could undergo some changes. But the “source” had been told the content of some key passages.

Failure to find a chemical or biological weapons in Iraq would be an embarrassing setback for Tony Blair, who argued that the war was necessary to disarm Saddam of an armoury of chemical and biological weapons, some of which could be deployed at 45 minutes notice.

It would also be inconvenient for Mr Bush, but the American public appears more accepting of the idea that the overthrow of Saddam was beneficial in itself, irrespective of the WMD debate.

Immediately after Saddam was toppled Mr Blair said he was confident that the weapons would be found. Since then the Government’s line has softened, and Mr Blair has said he believes that “evidence” will be produced that Saddam was developing WMD programmes and tried to conceal them.

In July, Mr Blair urged his critics to wait until the survey group had produced its report. “There has always been something bizarre about the notion that Saddam never had any weapons of mass destruction,” he said.

According to the BBC, the report will allege that Saddam’s programme of deception involved fake facilities and infrastructure to deceive and hinder the UN weapons inspectors.

The group may well conclude that Iraq had an elaborate and secret effort to maintain elements of its weapons programmes in suspended animation ready to be revived once the opportunity came.

But the Tories used the reports to launch a fresh assault on Mr Blair.

Michael Ancram, the Tory foreign affairs spokesman, said that if the BBC report was accurate, it would be a damaging blow to the Prime Minister’s credibility.

WMD? what is that?
Before beginning of war, WMDs were only 45 minutes away, now no traces found. A nation under foreign control. Citizens still dying, not because of one tyrannical ruler, but due to alliance of democratic countries sending half-assed troops who are frustrated enough by the heat and fear of death that they have been shooting even at animals, their own trained local policemen what to say of other local population under seige.

White House remains convinced Iraq has weapons of mass destruction
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WASHINGTON (AFP) - The US administration is still convinced that Iraq (news - web sites) has chemical or biological weapons, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Thursday, despite a draft report by experts that makes no determination on the issue.
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“We continue to believe that he (deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)) possessed weapons of mass destruction and weapons of mass destruction programs,” McClellan told reporters here.
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An interim US report on weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, due to be released in the coming weeks and the first of its kind since the end of the US-led war, draws no definitive conclusion on whether there are any such weapons in the country, the Central Intelligence Agency (news - web sites) announced Wednesday.

McClellan stressed that the report was only an interim evaluation and not the final version expected in early October.

He added that David Kay, the CIA (news - web sites)'s representative overseeing the search for weapons in Iraq, is going to get a “complete and full picture” of these weapons programs.

“Doctor Kay is continuing to go through miles of documents relating to the former regime’s weapons of mass destruction and weapons of mass destruction programs,” McClellan said.

The Iraq Survey Group, a group of 1,400 US and British scientists and military and intelligence experts working on the report, is led by Kay, a former chief UN weapons inspector.

this is all they have said even before the war that they BELIEVE / THINK that iraq has WMD. now they are ranting the same mantra. :slight_smile:

Ofcourse he had WMDs... Like Bill Hick's said, we don't need to send weapon inspectors to look for them, we just need to look at the reciept.

I heard that David Kay's report will say that its 'unlikely' that the WMDs were sent to Syria, like the whitehouse wanted us to believe right after the war.

It looks like this really was a fake war after all. I don't believe that the US ever cared about liberating the Iraqi people, one has only to look how they were quite happy to sell him weapons for the last 30 years.

Enough with these WMD crap posts. Look, this war has nothing to do with WMD's, al-Qaeda or Iraqi freedom. This was was about:

1- Using the U.S. Army for something in response to the 9/11 incidents. Americans wanted to see their army dropping bombs on some country in revenge for 9/11. This hunting for terrorists does not feel like a war to most Americans.
2- Having a U.S. army presence in the Middle East other than Saudi Arabia and close to Iran. Protection of Israel is the U.S.'s main goal.
3- Oil.

Re: There never were any WMD

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So by default, since that was the primary basis this invasion was pushed forwards (the secondary reason being that the Iraqi government was dictatorial), since the PRIMARY reason was WMD, by default does that not constitute that we were, at best, deceived. At the very least, shouldn't heads be rolling in the American and British governments ? And if not, does that signify that we only berate the lies and hypocritical actions of dictatorial regimes, not democratic governments?

U.S. Expert Reports No WMD Found in Iraq

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U.S. Expert Reports No WMD Found in Iraq

By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Chief U.S. weapons searcher David Kay reported Thursday he had found no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (news - web sites), a finding that brought fresh congressional complaints about the Bush administration’s prewar assertions of an imminent threat from Saddam Hussein (news - web sites).

Kay, in a report to Congress, described evidence of a possible small-scale biological weapons effort, and said searchers had substantial evidence of an Iraqi push to boost the range of its ballistic missiles beyond prohibited ranges.

But his team had found only limited evidence of any chemical weapons effort, he said, and there was almost no sign that a significant nuclear weapons project was under way.

“We have not found at this point actual weapons,” Kay said. “It does not mean we’ve concluded there are no actual weapons.”

“In addition to intent, we have found a large body of continuing activities and equipment that were not declared to the U.N. inspectors when they returned in November of last year,” he said.

He cautioned that the search was still under way and said he should know within six to nine months if there was more to be found.

The lack of substantive findings so far brought immediate negative reactions from both Republicans and Democrats in Congress — and also seemed certain to raise new questions among allies overseas about the Bush administration’s justification for going to war.

“I’m not pleased by what I heard today, but we should be willing to adopt a wait and see attitude — and that’s the only alternative we really have,” said Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., said of Kay’s briefing: “There was talk about facilities that might. There was talk about intent. But there was not talk about weapons of mass destruction. … There’s nothing we can point to and they’re asking for another six to nine months.”

The administration’s assertions about Iraq’s weapons programs and ties to terrorism, and the intelligence conclusions behind those assertions had driven the administration’s case for war.

Critics have contended that either the CIA (news - web sites) and other agencies that make up the U.S. intelligence community made serious errors in their analysis or the administration exaggerated what intelligence information it did have to persuade a skeptical world to support an invasion.

The administration is asking for $600 million to continue the hunt for conclusive evidence that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, according to congressional officials.

Separately, CIA Director George J. Tenet, in a letter to the leaders of the House Intelligence Committee obtained by The Associated Press, rejected congressional criticism that the prewar intelligence findings were flawed.

Tenet’s statement came in response to a blistering letter from Reps. Porter Goss, R-Fla., and Jane Harman, D-Calif., the heads of the House intelligence committee. That letter, dated Sept. 25, cited “significant deficiencies with respect to the collection activities concerning Iraq’s WMD and ties to al-Qaida prior to the commencement of hostilities there.”

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Thursday “it will be unfortunate” if it turns out that intelligence used to justify the war in Iraq turns out to have been seriously flawed.

The findings cited by Kay included:
_ On biological weapons, a single vial of a strain of botulinum, a poison that can be used as a weapon, located at the home of a known biological weapons scientist.

_ On chemical weapons, multiple sources told the weapons hunting group that Iraq did not have a large, ongoing, centrally controlled program after 1991. There had been reports that Iraq retained some of its old chemical weapons but Kay said none had been found.

_ On nuclear weapons, Kay said in his statement to Congress that despite evidence of Saddam’s continued ambition to acquire nuclear weapons, “to date we have not uncovered evidence that Iraq undertook significant post-1998 steps to actually build nuclear weapons or produce fissile material.”

_ But on missiles, Kay said the team had "discovered sufficient evidence to date to conclude that the Iraqi regime was committed to delivery system improvements.

If nothing else, then it atleast shows that the US intentions were not good!

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Agree.

‘Wesley clarke said the administration entered office determined to wage war with Iraq and seized on the Sept. 11 attacks for justification. He accused the administration of violating principles of American democracy.’

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AP: Iraqi Trailers Are Re-Examined
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By DAFNA LINZER, Associated Press Writer

U.S. weapons hunters are re-examining the only discovery the Bush administration has cited as evidence of an illicit Iraqi weapons program — a pair of trailers the CIA (news - web sites) said were laboratories for making biological weapons, senior military officers involved in the hunt told The Associated Press.

The two metal flatbeds stocked with cooling equipment, a water tank, an air compressor and a battered fermenter were first described by Iraqi defectors as part of a weapons program. But that assertion, challenged by some U.S. defense analysts, has become the latest prewar intelligence called into question.

In six months of searches, no biological, chemical or nuclear weapons have been found to bolster the administration’s central case for going to war: to disarm Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) of suspected weapons of mass destruction.

Although Bush administration officials continue to say publicly that the trailers were part of a biological weapons program, David Kay, the CIA representative charged with leading the weapons search in Iraq (news - web sites), acknowledged Thursday that those findings are “still very much being examined.”

“We have not yet been able to corroborate the existence of a mobile BW (biological weapons) production effort,” Kay told a Congressional hearing.

In fact, a re-examination of the trailers has been under way for several weeks in Iraq, led by a CIA representative, the senior military officers told AP, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Photographs of the trailers on the CIA Web site reveal few details but a more recent photo obtained by AP this week offers physical proof of the re-examination. The trailers, which were found in April and May, remain at Baghdad’s airport, where the weapons teams are based and where the review is being conducted.

In a paper issued May 28, the CIA called the trailers “the strongest evidence to date that Iraq was hiding a biological warfare program.” But intelligence analysts from the State Department and the Defense Intelligence Agency have said they believe the trailers were probably used to fill hydrogen weather balloons.

Kay said an investigation of the trailers has “yielded a number of explanations including hydrogen, missile propellant and BW production but technical limitations would prevent any of these processes from being ideally suited to these trailers.”

Military scientists who analyzed the pair of trailers during the summer doubted they were designed to function as mobile laboratories, according to the three military officers involved in the weapons hunt.

“There were some people who really believed they were for making hydrogen for weather balloons. Almost no one was certain they were biological weapons,” said one senior-ranking military commander involved in the search. “The trailers are great examples of dual-use but that’s about it,” the commander said.

Dual-use items, which could have either military or civilian applications, long troubled U.N. weapons inspectors who tagged most such equipment and kept it under monitoring while they were in Iraq. Defense officials in Baghdad and Washington have said much of what weapons inspectors have found so far is equipment and facilities with dual-use capabilities. There is no indication that any of those materials or places are new or were unknown to U.N. inspectors.

One of the U.S. scientists involved in the hunt, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said some conducting the search believe the Iraqis could have tried to produce biological warfare agents inside the trailers but not very well.

Also, it would have been hard, if not impossible, to hide the evidence. No traces of anthrax or any other warfare agent have been found during more than a half-dozen tests on the trailers.

Last month, Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) repeated the claim that the two trailers were “mobile biological facilities” that could have been used to make several biological agents, including smallpox.

One of the central arguments used by the CIA to support its initial findings is that one trailer had a fermenter. Smallpox, however, isn’t grown with a fermenter and experts say it would be impossible to produce this specific virus in a trailer.

“There’s no way that these particular labs could have been used to make smallpox,” said Jonathan Tucker, a weapons expert at the Monterey Institute of International Studies who authored “Scourge,” a recent book on smallpox.

“Smallpox can only replicate inside cells, so you need a bioreactor, not a fermenter, which is a much more sophisticated piece of equipment.”

In addition, he said, smallpox would need to be grown in a maximum containment laboratory, “not in a trailer with canvas siding. If there had been a leak, it would have spread smallpox all over the country.”

Some outside weapons experts who have examined photographs and the CIA report have also left open the possibility that the trailers could be for designed for conventional uses such as decontamination or fuel regeneration.

With the U.S. search effort now taking twice as long to look as U.N. inspectors had this past winter, some within Congress are becoming increasingly skeptical that any weapons of mass destruction will be found.

Once confident, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Pat Roberts, R-Kan., said Wednesday he was not so sure any more.

“I think it’s such a tough job,” he said. Asked if he believed the weapons ever existed, Roberts said, “At one point I’m sure they did. Where they are now and what point they are now, I just don’t know.”

Roberts’ committee and its House counterpart are investigating the prewar intelligence. In a letter last week to CIA Director George Tenet, the two top members of the House panel said there were “significant deficiencies” in the collection of intelligence on suspected Iraqi weapons programs and any ties Iraq may have had with al-Qaida terrorists.

In his Feb. 5 presentation to the U.N. Security Council, Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) used some of that intelligence to lay out the U.S. case for war. He displayed artists’ conceptions of mobile weapons facilities.

Powell stood by his assertions during an appearance Sunday on ABC.

“Even though there are differences within the overall intelligence community, the director of central intelligence examining all of the material with respect to that van and examining counterarguments as to what it might be stands behind the judgment that what we found was positive evidence of a mobile biological weapons lab and (it has) not been discounted sufficiently.”

The original tip on the trailers was provided by a defector working with Ahmad Chalabi, the head of the Iraqi National Congress and now a member of the U.S.-appointed Governing Council in Iraq.

bush & so are not going to give up that easily. they definitely are trying to cook up something to shut up everyone. :slight_smile:

Kay Claims About Iraq Nukes Lack Evidence -Diplomat
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By Louis Charbonneau

VIENNA, Austria (Reuters) - An expert close to the U.N. nuclear watchdog Friday cast doubt on new U.S. claims that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s Iraq (news - web sites) had been planning to revive its atomic weapons program until the U.S. invasion in March.

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Speaking to Reuters on condition of anonymity, the expert close to the International Atomic Energy Agency said David Kay’s report was largely based on “statements and opinions by scientists and officials with no apparent supporting evidence.”
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Kay, head of the U.S.-led team which has been searching for evidence of Saddam’s chemical, biological and nuclear weapons in postwar Iraq, said Thursday his team had found no stocks of such arms. But he said there was “evidence of Saddam’s continued ambition to acquire nuclear weapons.”

“The testimony we have obtained from Iraqi scientists and senior government officials should clear up any doubts about whether Saddam still wanted to obtain nuclear weapons,” Kay said of the interim report his team supplied to the U.S. Congress.

“They (said) Saddam Hussein remained firmly committed to acquiring nuclear weapons.”

The allegation that Saddam Hussein had revived his nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs after U.N. inspectors left Iraq in December 1998 was the main justification for the U.S.-led war to disarm Iraq.

But after returning to Iraq late in 2002 for four months of inspections in the buildup to the war, the IAEA said it had found no evidence that Saddam had revived his clandestine atomic weapons program, a program the IAEA detected in 1991 and says it had dismantled by 1995.

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“The (Kay) report is filled with the use of the words ‘belief’ and ‘may’ and ‘could have’ and these sorts of things,” the nuclear expert told Reuters.
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“This is not how the IAEA operates,” said the expert, who supported the agency’s pre-war inspections in Iraq. “They would not have given credence to statements by individuals without having corroborating evidence to support their allegations. The IAEA only states what it can verify.”

THE DEAD MAN SAID…

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The source also questioned Kay’s reliance on testimony from senior Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission and high-level Ba’ath Party official Dr. Khalid Ibrahim Sa’id, who was killed at a Baghdad roadblock by occupation forces on April 8.

In his statement to U.S. lawmakers, presented behind closed doors Thursday, Kay said: “Sa’id began several small and relatively unsophisticated research initiatives that could be applied to nuclear weapons development.”

Calling that limited allegation “pretty pathetic,” the nuclear expert close to the IAEA added that since Sa’id could no longer be questioned, his testimony should be treated with more than a grain of salt.

Thursday, Kay asked for Washington to provide $600 million for his team’s work in Iraq in addition to the $300 million already allocated.

The source close to the IAEA said the agency’s nuclear inspections, and those of the UNMOVIC inspection agency into Iraq’s suspected chemical and biological weapons, together had a budget of only around $60 million for an entire year’s work in Iraq.

The nuclear expert dismissed suggestions by Kay that Iraq’s pre-war withholding from U.N. inspectors of documents about its pre-1991 nuclear weapons program indicated it had much left to hide.

“It’s bad that they didn’t report that to the IAEA, but that’s about the program the IAEA knew inside out and had dismantled,” the expert said. “Wasn’t the whole idea to prove that Saddam had something ongoing? This seems to support the fact that he didn’t.”
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there's high conspiracy going around and most key players seem to have their interests elsewhere; somewhere other than their own country's and the world's benefits. oil is driving them all insane.
if even after such revelations these ppl are left lose the world politics will change its shape for good and such instances will keep on taking place again and again. they can do whatever they want and no one can question them or tell them where they've been wrong.
it's the duty of the inspectors, their moral responsibility to clearly tell the govts and the whole world what the actual situation was, it doesnt matter what bush etc say, facts speak for themselves. thw worls must unite and speak up against such blind opprossions.

ok.. GW said yesterday that the war was justified despite not finding WMD yet, I’ll get to that in a minute but this first, from his Q&A:

Hasnt he considered yet that an alternate lesson of 9/11 was don’t f— with A-rabs? I know Texans are just as crazy, but really, is the lesson of 9/11 that we’ve gotta smack every beehive? I say this tongue in cheek, but it seems Ws idea of what happened and why is way off base…

Anyway.. maybe y’all heard this one already.. we’ve got our Polish whores earning their keep:
Polish Troops Find New French Missiles in Iraq
Trying to defer the blame again.. that’s just sad. But it was nice of the Poles to destroy the weapons before they had a definitive trace on them, now we can keep on calling them French. Oh well, at least Bush & Co have learned their credibility is shot and they needed new mouthpieces.

This article is probably the funniest so far.. everyone on deck touting the dangers of botox! Yes, it is lethal.. but all they found was one vial from 1993 in someone’s refrigerator. If you go to NYC I’m sure you’ll find several middle age women have more than one vial in their frig… Here’s the best quote:

Tell that to Allergan!

Forgot about this one.. probably the best comment on the whole WMD thing:

HIDDEN IN THE KAY REPORT: Here’s what everyone has missed about the David Kay report of Iraqi arms: Kay finds the Iraqi atomic weapons program, always by far the greatest threat posed by Saddam, stopped in 1998. (See his statement here; I am directing you to the CIA website!) But what happened in 1998? The “Desert Fox” joint United States-British strike on Iraq. If Desert Fox stopped the Iraqi atomic weapons program, this means the Clinton administration’s Saddam containment policy was far more effective than anyone, even Bill Clinton, previously realized.

Recall that in 1998, Saddam had thrown out U.N. inspectors. The United States and United Kingdom threatened airstrikes; most other Western nations waffled or counseled appeasement. In December 1998, U.S. and British aircraft bombed Iraq weapons facilities for several nights, while 400 cruise missiles were fired into Iraq. At the time, many conservatives and Republicans denounced the strikes as pinpricks and called for much more dramatic action. Clinton’s decision to do everything from the air was derided as liberal fear of casualties.

Yet now it appears Desert Fox was a resounding success. Among the Iraq facilities pounded in 1998 was the Al Zaafaraniyah atomic weapons and missile complex. Al Zaafaraniyah was not bombed during the 1991 Gulf war, because the United States did not then know much about it. U.N. inspectors found the facility in the aftermath of the 1991 war; in 1993, Clinton ordered Al Zaafaraniyah hit with cruise missiles to stop Iraq atomic-weapons research; in 1998, Al Zaafaraniyah was reduced to rubble.

Set aside the question of whether the United States should have invaded Iraq in 2003; history may still judge this decision favorably, as a liberation of the oppressed. But if most of the Iraq atomic weapons program stopped in 1998, as Kay concludes, then Clinton administration policy on Iraq was far more effective than once assumed; then the WMD case for invasion this year was even weaker than now assumed; and then the case for airstrikes to halt the North Korean nuclear-weapons program may be stronger than now assumed.

– I’m not so sure how well this can be extended to KN, but the rest is clear.