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Originally posted by ullu:
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However if you are interested in mythology, ways in which different societies evolved, role of superstions in wars and politics and things like, you should critically read Al-Quran and Geeta.**
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You are mistaken my friend. If that's what you think Quran is. Quran is a set of rules to practice the religion to obey Allah, within it, there are some information about the unforseen which occured and about scientifical issues that resolved my conflicts that people had. It is a book to teach religion not to teach you science, because science evolves from religion.
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Originally posted by warrior:
**Ahmad G said
"It must not be said when was He, WHERE WAS HE, or how was He. He exists without a place."
He said to her "Where is Allah" She said "above the heavens"
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This is an important question, but that's not how you interpret it. As you know the Arabic language is VERY rich and must be interpreted according to what befits the logic and the Islamic belief.
As for hadith: "Aynallah?" she said: "Fis-Sama`" That doesn't mean in the skies! Tha't the ^aqidah or belief of the Jews! When you say Ta^ala, it doesn't mean he went up high, it means he has a high rank, and so was the meaning of that Hadith, the lady said what means: "Qadruhu (status or rank) is high" that is according to the interpretations of the Muslim scholors of Islam such as As-Shafi^Y and Abu Hanifah.
It's an Ijma^ that Allah does not reside in a place and it's logical as well. For, before the places, Allah existed without a place, and after creating the place he is as he was without a place because he does not need anything. Imam ^Aliyy (Radiallahu ^anhu) said: "Kanallahu Wala makan, Wahuwa-l`ana ^ala ma ^alayhi kan" that is without a place.
This is the ^aqidah of the Muslims the salaf and the Khalaf. I will post the sayings of the famous scholors insha`llah when I get time.
Allah is one because if (nauzo billah) there were more than one god, then one would wish to progress things in a way different than other. Dont we observe a smooth system and mechanism in the way sun rises, moon appears, the sky, the erath, the universe, everything in a system, proving the unity of Allah. Where there is more than one (two, three or whatever number), there is a difference of opinion and therefore disagreement theat leads to chaos. We dont see all that chaos in the universal happenings that proves the oneness of Allah.
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Originally posted by shair30:
**a proof on tawheed:
Allah is one because if (nauzo billah) there were more than one god, then one would wish to progress things in a way different than other. Dont we observe a smooth system and mechanism in the way sun rises, moon appears, the sky, the erath, the universe, everything in a system, proving the unity of Allah. Where there is more than one (two, three or whatever number), there is a difference of opinion and therefore disagreement theat leads to chaos. We dont see all that chaos in the universal happenings that proves the oneness of Allah.
Allah akbar!**
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Right! If there are two gods, they must quarrel. (Is god a bengali?) Maybe they are quarreling right now and supporting different factions on earth. We dont know.
On the other hand if the two or more gods are perfectly in agreement with one another and working together, we can name the entire system of gods as GOD and now there is one GOD because there is one system.
What u think about this proof, if there is god, better be one.
I am really amazed how do u afford to take time out for your millions of gods. Must be really tough hmm!!**
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You see the differance between your so called 'No God but Allah' and the 'Millions of Gods' that we hindus believe in is
Your Allah tells you (the believers) to go and kill the non believers.
On the other hand
Our millions of hindu Gods tell us that all life is sacred and precious. A non believers life is as valueable as a believer's.
Given a choice, (which unfortunately you muslims do not have) I much rather find time to worship the millions of Gods who treat all life on equal basis.
The most important thing about our GODS is that they are not very demanding like your ALLAH.
They do not get angry if you don't pray to them.
They don't send you to hell if you have had been drinking.
Or been sleeping around with your girlfriend before getting married.
Offcourse on the other hand they do not promise you any beautiful youg hoors in heaven either, if you worship them.
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Originally posted by sanjhabanda:
**Our millions of hindu Gods tell us that all life is sacred and precious. A non believers life is as valueable as a believer's.
Given a choice, (which unfortunately you muslims do not have) I much rather find time to worship the millions of Gods who treat all life on equal basis.**
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I am impressed with your reasoning sanjhabanda. Ofcourse, how could I have missed such an obvious point. Yes, your gods treat life on equal basis, so that is why there is definitely no caste system amongst hindus. Anyone who suggests otherwise is either lying or else doesn't know anything about hindusim. All this debate about Brahman, Vaisha, Shudrs etc, must be a figment of someone'e imagination. Right!
Next, is that the life of a believer is as valuable as that of a non-believer. Lets keep the non-believers out of the equation. By believer you obviously mean hindus, right? I will have to give you 10 out of 10. You just clarified another misconception in one brilliant stroke. Why would I ever thought that life of a shudr is less valuable than of a brahmin. You see, how much we never knew about hindus, till you came in.
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Originally posted by Pristine:
** I am impressed with your reasoning sanjhabanda. Ofcourse, how could I have missed such an obvious point. Yes, your gods treat life on equal basis, so that is why there is definitely no caste system amongst hindus. **
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That is interesting. Non muslims harp on Islam's distinction between Muslims and non muslims while no Hindus harp on Hindus distinction within themselves. The only difference is that Hindus are trying to get rid of it and are apologetic about it while muslims are gung-ho about jizia or jehad.
A better spirit can only be evoked only if we understand that ll religions though useful at some point in human history are redundant and useless today. None has to believe the crap of some god sitting at top of mountain or adam eating apple and coming to earth and other junk.
Re: muslims and jehad. In these times, muslims don’t do jehad unless they find fellow muslims mercilessly tortured and killed by non-believers. This is what happened in Bosnia and this is what is happening in Palestine and “other places” - this is genocide. Muslims consider their fellow muslims as brethren and will support them in their time of crisis.
You won’t find any muslims doing jehad in any other place. I don’t find muslims crying “jehad, jehad” in places like Australia, Singapore, Brazil etc. All these places are non-muslims, but if they treat muslims fine, we don’t have a problem.
Didn’t Indians felt a furore when Mahindra Chowdhry was taken as hostage? There were suggestions in populist Indian media that India should intervene directly in Fiji. That didn’t happen, but it just goes to show that everyone feels some affinity to their religious brothers. Why would muslims be any different?
with regards to hadith above about the slave girl, it is mentioned in the hadith that she actually pointed to the sky and the Prophet(saw) affirmed it.
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Originally posted by warrior: Ahmad G,
with regards to hadith above about the slave girl....
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Dear worrior,
There are different narrations of that Hadith, but none should be taken at it's literal meaning, for, Arabic is a very rich language. and fis-Samameans Allah has a very high high rank as for what The Al Aimmah mentioned And in the article I have mentioned very few. However, there are some sects that interpret these verses literally without taking the saying of ^ulama` into consdieration. Allah said that [Nothing Resmebles Him at all and he is attributed with hearing and sight] surat Ash-Shura Aya 11. And all 4 scholars affirm that Allah does not need anything, and that he existed before the palce and now he exists as he was without a place.
Prophet Muhammad and arabs as a whole articulated the Arabic language very well that they understood the metaphors very fast. Al Hamdulillah that Allah made the scholars witht their vast knowledge to pass the information to us.
I want to understand that if Muhammad was simply a prophet of Allah. Why is it that peace must always be bestowed him? Allah is real person of worship and praise, why after saying Muhammad always, that peace has to be bestowed upon him? I'm sure, that if Allah picked Muhammad as the prophet, that he will have peace at the power of Allah at all times, therefore for Muslims to even say that is really irrelevant. If peace is being bestowed on him for the reason to help him on the day of Judgement, don't you really think he has an automatic green card into Heaven? Since he was picked by Allah than any other person?
In addition. If it is that on the day of judgement it is decided whether we all goto heaven or hell. Where exactly are all the people's soul's who are dead right now? Because, day of judgement hasn't came yet.
Don't think that my questions are to insult anyone. But, they're simply questions that are usually on minds of Non-Muslims are non-Abrahamic people.
I want to understand that if Muhammad was simply a prophet of Allah. Why is it that
peace must always be bestowed him?...
In addition. If it is that on the day of judgement it is decided whether we all goto heaven or hell. Where exactly are all the people's soul's who are dead right now? Because, day of judgement hasn't came yet.
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The reason why we always say 'peace be upon him' when ever we mention the Holy Prophet is because its a sign of respect. The other main reason is that Darood Shareef (sending of peace and blessings onto the Holy Prophet (saw)) is the only act which we humans share with Allah. There is nothing else that Allah does that we humans do also. It is commanded by Allah in the Holy Quran and the surah is translated something like >>
'Oh ye who believe, Allah and his angels send peace and blesings onto the Holy Prophet (saw).. you should do the same'
I will find you the exact wording when I have a little more time. That is why we send Peace and blessings onto the Holy Prophet (saw).
Your second question regarding souls and the day of Judgement. Yes you are right, that on the day of judgement, it will be decided who goes to Hell and who goes to heaven. But as muslims we believe that there are three stages to life 1) your life here on earth 2) the time you spend in the grave and 3) the life hereafter (once you have been risen from the grave). Since you will be asked questions (in the grave)regarding how you spent your time on earth, one can conclude that for all intents and purposes, the soul remains with the body in the grave until the day of judgement.
Arai, its not just the Holy Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) that we bestow peace on, but all the other prophets as well.
Muslims bestow peace on each other as well when we say "Asalamualikum" (peace be unto you).
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Originally posted by ullu:
** Have u read 'Principia Mathematica' by Sir Issac Newton. It explains universe and earth better than Al-Quran and Geeta. If you want to know about life, of course, Darwin is the person to read.
However if you are interested in mythology, ways in which different societies evolved, role of superstions in wars and politics and things like, you should critically read Al-Quran and Geeta.**
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I really dont get your attitude. The Holy Quran is not a book of science, who says you have to go read it to learn about science and mathematics. But the Quran does have many scientific truths in it, that humans have discovered for themselves over time.
The goal of the Quran is to provide spiritual guidance and how Muslims should behave in all aspects of life. The Quran encourages humans to explore the universe and find out the laws and prinicples governing it. Dont say anything about it unless you've bothered to read Al-Quran and know what's in it.
Ullu, what are you anyway?? an athiest?
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Originally posted by sanjhabanda:
**You see the differance between your so called 'No God but Allah' and the 'Millions of Gods' that we hindus believe in is
Your Allah tells you (the believers) to go and kill the non believers.
On the other hand
Our millions of hindu Gods tell us that all life is sacred and precious. A non believers life is as valueable as a believer's.
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Well Islam teaches us all life is sacred.. even those of animals.
And Islam does not teach us to go an kill non-muslims. Islam does not believe in offensive attack. even then it tells us to try to solve it without going to war and to agree a treaty (unlike other religions)
The only times you may declare war on non-muslims is
1. they are persecuting muslims in their land
2. they attack muslim lands
Even then restraint is called for to ensure the other side to stop the persecution or withdraw from war. But if either of these fail then go to war.. and stop when the opponent asks for a treaty- unless they broke a previous treaty and therefore cannot be trusted again.
there are rules in that as well - no women, no children and no aged - only people who are soldiers/ warriors.
The only time you stop in that scenario is when the otherside declares ceasefire.
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Originally posted by arai:
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don't you really think he has an automatic green card into Heaven? Since he was picked by Allah than any other person?
In addition. If it is that on the day of judgement it is decided whether we all goto heaven or hell. Where exactly are all the people's soul's who are dead right now? Because, day of judgement hasn't came yet.
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It's good of you to ask something that you or others didn't understand. When we say MUhammad Peace be upon him, or Jesus Peace be Upon him, Or Adam Peace be Upon him, all of that is for respect, and full phrase is: may peace be upon him and his nation from which prophet Muhammad fears for that nation from harm. Allah protects his Prophets and he prepared paradise for them there's no doubt about that. We love all of the Prophets of Allah starting with Adam and ending with Muhammad may peace be upon them all.
However, none of these Prophets claimed prophethood so we respect them as the best of Allah's creations and Muhammad is the best of all of them and that is prooven in our Islamic contexts and all Prophets agreed on that and knew that Muhammad was the last and best of all Prophets.
My friend, there are more important issues that one should worry about, like what's going to happen to me after death? Am I prepared on the day of judgment? .. Confort does not come like that, in order to feel security and safety, one must have the right faith, therefore, he must be obediant to Allah (God). And Islam presents variety of options with prooves that satisfy the intelect. If one wants to reach paradise he must be a believer and to be one, a person must use his intelect to find the pure truth in which we believe exists in Islam.
Wal Hamdulillah.
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Originally posted by blackzero:
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The only times you may declare war on non-muslims is
1. they are persecuting muslims in their land
2. they attack muslim lands
Even then restraint is called for to ensure the other side to stop the persecution or withdraw from war. But if either of these fail then go to war.. and stop when the opponent asks for a treaty- unless they broke a previous treaty and therefore cannot be trusted again.
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True. But what if non-muslims are being persecuted? Islam definitely wouldnt teach to turn backs on the happenings.
Is it necessary that your Allah be any different from my Gods? Isnt it possible that it is the same Allah who the Christians wroship in different "form". Couldnt Allah be one amongst million Hindu gods? And all million hindu gods are nothing but ONE Allah? The world is round, and God is great! Anything is possible. One can be million and million can be the SAME one.
Why is it that all religions preach ONE thing that is central and important - Peace, Love and humanity... And still we spread war, hatered and kill others in the name of religion. Doesnt that mean that no Muslim is a true muslim, no hindu is a true hindu, no christian is a true christian? Time to think, huh?