Can the participating members of this thread learn to stick to the topic at hand.
Sentinel.
Sentinel .. grow up.. please!
put the question back why there are three times of day for prayers under fiqah-e-jaafrya mentioned in newspaper?
The Azaan is said five times a day. But Zohor and Asar and Maghrib and Isha are prayed combined. If you can't prove combining two namaaz is not allowed (as is done during the Haj) I don't see a point why it's such a big deal. It's ok.
You can only paint with the colors you're given...
...so get what you like and like what you have.
au contraire pak99, I think it could be closer to the actual times ordained for prayer.
Following are the verses I could find in Quran regarding prayers:
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2: 238. Watch over prayers, and particularly the middle Prayer, and stand before ALLAH submissively.
11: 114. And observe Prayer at the two ends of the day, and in some hours of the night. Surely, good works drive away evil ones. This is a reminder for those who would remember.
17: 78. Observe Prayer from the declining and paling of the sun till the darkness of the night, and recite the Qur'an at dawn. Verily, the recitation of the Qur'an at dawn is specially acceptable to ALLAH.
17: 79. And during a part of the night wake up for its recitation - a supererogatory service for thee. It may be that thy Lord will raise thee to an exalted station.
20: 130. Bear patiently then what they say, and glorify thy Lord with HIS praise before the rising of the sun and before its setting; and glorify HIM in the hours of the night and all parts of the day, that thou mayest find true happiness.
24: 58. O ye who believe ! let those whom your right hand possess, and those of you, who have not reached puberty, ask leave of you at three times before coming into your private apartments -before the Morning Prayer, and when you lay aside your clothes at noon (in summer) and after the night Prayer. These are the three times of privacy for you. At other times there is no blame on you nor on them, for some of you have to attend upon others and to move about freely according to need. Thus does ALLAH make plain to you the Signs; for ALLAH is All-Knowing, Wise.
30: 17. So glorify ALLAH when you enter the evening and when you enter the morning -
30: 18. And to HIM belongs all praise in the heavens and the earth - and glorify HIM in the afternoon and when you enter upon the time of the decline of the sun.
50: 39. So bear with patience what they say, and celebrate the praises of thy Lord, before the rising of the sun and before its setting;
50: 40. And in parts of the night also do thou glorify HIM, and after the prescribed prostrations.
52: 48. So wait patiently for the judgment of thy Lord; for, assuredly, thou art before Our eyes; and celebrate the praises of thy Lord when thou risest up for prayer,
52: 49. And for part of the night also do thou glorify HIM and at the setting of the stars.
76: 25. And remember the name of thy Lord morning and evening,
76: 26. And during the night prostrate thyself before HIM, and extol HIS glory for a long part of the night.
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well a traveller is allowed to shorten his/her salat- they can join two prayers together...maybe that's where this three prayer thingie I keep hearing about in this thread...
- "O people! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Messenger of Allah and the last in the line of Prophets. And Allah is aware of everything." (33:40)
"The Hour will not come ... until nearly thirty "dajjals" (liars) appear, each one claiming to be a messenger from Allah." (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
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Dear hinna,
The sunni school of thought allows the namaz to be SHORTENED to two rakat while travelling.
There is nothing that says to COMBINE THEM while traveling!
They are reqd. to pray the FIVE namaz - one after the other with the rakats shortened to two!
http://islamicards.hypermart.net/ahlan/hajjrites.htm
Combined doesn’t mean that the two salat are combined together–the actual prayers. What I’m saying is that you can pray the two prayers in the same time period, one prayer after the other, meaning that you pray your two rakats of your zuhr salat and then you make your salam and then you start your 2 rakkats for asr.
Got it?!
http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif
- “O people! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Messenger of Allah and the last in the line of Prophets. And Allah is aware of everything.” (33:40)
“The Hour will not come … until nearly thirty “dajjals” (liars) appear, each one claiming to be a messenger from Allah.” (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
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I am deleting my comments because they may be ‘misleading’!
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Okay..relax I know what you're saying. sheesh!
- "O people! Muhammad has no sons among ye men, but verily, he is the Messenger of Allah and the last in the line of Prophets. And Allah is aware of everything." (33:40)
"The Hour will not come ... until nearly thirty "dajjals" (liars) appear, each one claiming to be a messenger from Allah." (Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim)
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Okay..relax I know what you're saying. sheesh!
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Well!
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For travelers - the keyword here is jamak (combined) and qasar(shorten).
Anyway, even among us Sunni madhab we have our different prayer time from one fiqh to another.
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Originally posted by google:
Anyway, even among us Sunni madhab we have our different prayer time from one fiqh to another.
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Now, aren't you emphasizing on and exaggerating the little petty differences among the Mainstream Muslims just to accomodate the Shias !!!
If anyperson is guilty of doing that, then his loyalty to Islam is pretty questionable.
When My servants ask you concerning Me, ** I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calls on Me: ** Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. (Holy Qur'an 2:186)
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Originally posted by Khoon-e-Shaheed:
** Now, aren't you emphasizing on and exaggerating the little petty differences among the Mainstream Muslims just to accomodate the Shias !!!**
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What do mean petty differences among mainstream Muslim?
The problem with us Sunni is that we see our problem and differences among us as petty but when we see from someone else (eg. Shias,...etc) there are act of "shirk", "kufar".
google, Becaues those are differences in Aqeedah.
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google, Becaues those are differences in Aqeedah.
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Now, that is for another thread. My comment was about Namaaz.
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Originally posted by Khoon-e-Shaheed:
Now, aren't you emphasizing on and exaggerating the little petty differences among the Mainstream Muslims just to accomodate the Shias !!!**
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What do mean petty differences among mainstream Muslim?
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The problem with us Sunni is that we see our problem and differences among us as petty but when we see from someone else (eg. Shias,...etc) there are act of "shirk", "kufar". **
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Ok, wihtout assuming that you are a Shia pretending to be a Mainstream Muslim (under the guise of "taqiyah" (Holy Hypocrisy)), let me ask you something:
** If the Mainstream Muslims are willing to accomodate the differencese of opinions between different schools of thoughts, then why don't they accomodate the Shias too??? **
If the Mainstream Muslims were as intolerant as you claim, then they wouldn't have accepted any school of thought different from theirs.
And you say "We Sunnis", thus blaming the Mainstream Muslims, and implying that they are Sectarian freaks. This is a ** VERT, VERY , VERY , VERY COMMON TECHNIQUE OF THE SHIAS ON MESSAGEBOARDS. ** It is soooo common it's not even funny.
There are many other comments of yours that make any rational person extremely suspicious of your motives. But, I remained quite all along, because baseless suspicion is not allowed in Islam. But now you have actually started making anti-Islamic comments, and it was imperative that you be corrected.
And, oh yes, many if not the majority of the Mainstream Muslims do ** NOT EVEN KNOW ** that they are ** SUNNIS. ** Then, how do claim that the Sunnis are very much aware of their sectarian identity, and do not tolerate the opinions of those outside their sect.
And, yes please be ** very very very careful ** with your posts now, because now I'll have to keep an eye on your posts. It may be easy for a Shia to fool the ordinary Mainstream Muslims here (who by nature are very unsuspecting and tolerant), but rmbr that I do have some experience with the Shias !
Alrite, we'll wait for your answer now.
When My servants ask you concerning Me, ** I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calls on Me: ** Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way. (Holy Qur'an 2:186)
Look it is quite simple.
Shia is just another madhab (school of thought). Just like Sunnis there are the four main madhabs.
The reason that any of them do anything is because thety follow an evidence from the scholar that they follow in their case Imam Jaffer.
Hanafis place their hands below the navel, Shafii on the chest and Shia by their sides.
All madhabs have different opinions and do different actions but the crux is that they are based on Islamic evidences.
Allah says follow the strongest evidence so shias think they have the strongest evidence, hanafis they etc.
Allah says the one who gets it right gets two rewards while the one who gets it wrong but does the actiobn to please Allah gets one reward.
For example i may follow something from Abu Hanifa when infact Shafii has a stronger evidence and vice versa.
One can not say that an action is wrong if it justified from Quran and Sunnah so it wrong to say that praying by ones sides is wrong if they can justify it.
Our scholars used to debate all the time and used to do different but never used to tell each other they were wrong but that they hoped their opinion was correct as all could justify their actions.
Wasalam
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Originally posted by s_H_e_I_k_H:
Dear brother,
Assalaam u 'Alaikum
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*The reason that any of them do anything is because thety follow an evidence from the scholar that they follow in their case Imam Jaffer.
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Ok, we can discuss tht some other time. We Mainstream Muslims have also collected many opinions from Imam Ja'far (R), which are quite different from what the Shias claim to have collected from him.
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Hanafis place their hands below the navel, Shafii on the chest and Shia by their sides.
All madhabs have different opinions and do different actions but the crux is that they are based on Islamic evidences.
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If it is as simple as that, then why aren't the Shias included too among Mainstream Islam, and why aren't they regarded as the "Fifth School of Thought" ?
There must be ** * " SOMETHING " * ** that is unacceptable or radically different about the Shias that sets them so apart from the Mainstream Muslims.
But, if that is not the case, then it infact implies that the 4 Imams and their students had some satanic conspiracy to allow only their opinions to be considered valid, and to reject the Shias.
Assuming that they did really have some conspiracy, we should atleast find some shred of evidence regarding that, like for example, their writings, or the writings of their contemporaries, or their activities etc.
Please think over it brother. Thanks
Wassalaam u 'Alaikum
P.S - Not all Shias are considered to be outside the fold of Islam. The "Yemeni Zaidi Shias" are considered to be deviants, but are generally considered to be within the fold of Islam. They do not hate the Sahaaba, nor do they curse them, nor do they believe in "Taqiyah" (Holy Hypocrisy), and there are other differences too.
Asaalam u' Alaikum
From my knowledge none of the four scholars mentioned shias...correct me if i am wrog because i haven't come across it.
Shia's generally are ahla Sunna and come within the confines of Islam. There are some who claim to be shia like alawii the ones in Syria who say that Ali(ra) was supposed to be the prophet except Gibreel was drunk and the Ismaeli shia who say Agha Khan is the prophet but generally the shias do fall into mainstream Islam. Shiaism itself is not Kufr but there are many sects which have come from shias which have lead people to believe shias are deviant.
I would for one like to define sect as many seem to use that word.
A sect is one that is not ahla sunna. A sect are those who have deviated from Islam and are no longer Muslim like the Qadiani, Yazidi, Alawii, Ismaeli etc.
To be Ahla Sunna you have must accept and not reject the articles of faith which from my knowledge shiaism doesn't actually do.
I am Sunni by the way but i know that shias get a lot of stick being called kafir etc and i think one needs to be careful as Allah says that he who calls someone a kafir without evidence will find that on the day of judgement that one of the two is kafir, so one must be careful.
Walaikum Salaam.