The Truth About the Land of Fadak

[zer01]

Re: The Truth About the Land of Fadak

@gupguppy

^ so zer01 are you going to apply that same hadith to Ali (r) as only a couple of pages later in the same Sahih al Bukhari we see the report…

Ali demanded the hand of the daughter of Abu Jahl. Fatima heard of this and went to Allah’s Apostle saying, "Your people think that you do not become angry for the sake of your daughters as 'Ali is now going to marry the daughter of Abu Jahl. "On that Allah’s Apostle got up and after his recitation of Tashah-hud. I heard him saying, “To proceed, I married one of my daughters to Abu Al-‘As bin Al-Rabi’ and he proved truthful in whatever he said to me. No doubt, Fatima is a part of me, I hate to see her being troubled. By Allah, the daughter of Allah’s Apostle and the daughter of Allah’s enemy cannot be the wives of one man.” So 'Ali gave up that engagement.

LOL, I knew its coming. easy to refute!

The above story that you have cited is considered weak, because of its narrator, Miswar Ibn Muhazma, and as usual I shall cite Sunni references to prove my point.

This person, i.e., Miswar Ibn Muhazma, was related to Abdul Rahman Ibn Auf, and he was born 2 (two) years after the Hijrah and he came to Medina in the end of the Eight (8th) Year of the Hijrah. The Sunni hadith Scholar, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani states as follows

Born in Mecca two (2) years after the Hijrah, and he came to Medina with his father in the end of the month of Zhilhajjah for the year 8th (eight) hijri.

Sunni reference: Tahdhib al-Tahdhib, v10, p151

Now a few points, this would make Miswar only 6 (six) years old and according to the standard set by the hadith scientists, any hadith that is narrated by a child (minor) is not to be accepted. I am not saying this on the basis of my knowledge, infact I am borrowing words from the mouth of great Sunni Scholar and Historian from India ’ Maulana Shibli Numani '. In his volumnious work on the Seerah of the Prophet, where he scrutinizes the nature of the reports (hadiths) and the status of the narrator, he writes:

For instance a commonly debated question is this: Is it necessary to impose the age limit for narrators?

Furthermore he also states the belief held by Imam Shafi’i that

‘He is inclined not to accept a narration referring to the experience of a minor.’

Sunni reference:
Siratun Nabi (The Life of the Prophet) by Shibli Numani English Edition , p55

Furthermore it also reminds me of the saying from the lady (Jewaira) at the time of the conquest of Mecca, when Bilal gave the call of the Prayer from the House of Allah (The Kaabah)

God has saved my father from hearing the unpleasent voice of Bilal inthe Kaabah !

How do you expect me to believe that Imam Ali (AS) would offer his hand to an un-believer?

Only a nasibi would claim such absurd things about Ali (as).

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