THE TRUE MEHDI

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:D start going around every single ullama of yours and tell them that :)

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The fallacy of eclipse prophecy http://www.paklinks.com/gs/religion-scripture/327531-mahdi-two-eclipse-narration.html

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There are two signs for the Mahdi... The first one is the lunar
eclipse in the first night of Ramadan, and the second is the solar
eclipse in the middle of this month. (Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, Al-
Qawl al-Mukhtasar fi `Alamat al-Mahdi al-Muntazar, p. 47)

There will be two solar eclipses in Ramadan before the Mahdi's
advent. (Mukhtasar Tazkirah Qurtubi)

It has reached me that before the Mahdi emerges the moon will
be eclipsed twice in Ramadan. (Related by Abu Nu'aym in al-
Fitan)

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Aren't these references for corrupted hadith?

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I am still waiting for your reply.....

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Imaam Mahdi and the Signs that will precede him.

the Double eclipse statement from DareQutni is NOT AUTHENTIC! it is NOT a Hadith!

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i thought u are qadiyani...why do YOU listen to MY (so called) ullama?????

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wat does that 'why not' mean? you will or you will not have anymore doubts?

PS: Also, how about you provide references of the questions or the points you raised.. thank you.

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What kinda of a reply was this? your ullamas and our ullama take their teachings from Quran and ahadith.. the whole point was that the solar and lunar eclipse prophecy is not made by jamaat e Ahmadiyya. It is been there in traditions of sunnis and shias as well.. thus me talkin in behalf of your ullamas should not be any issue.

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Yes! Why not is the answer to your question....

My reference is that website which quoted Ahadith, which you have seen already, and from which you only took one reference which suited you...... I raised all my questions from those Hadiths.

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Before i waste my time to answer your points.. it still would not make any difference to your heart....so whats in it for me?

Quran says that people used to doubt holy prophet PBUH and asked him to bring down a book which they can read as his sign of being truthful. Then Quran says.. that even if He had brought book for them, they would still doubt him. Same is the case with you here. If i answer your questions, you will still have doubts..

ps: 2 references that i took. One was of eclipse prophecy , another was him being from the progeny of Hazrat Muhammad PBUH.

PS2: By what name were the jews waiting as the second coming of hazrat Elijah (AS)? same name... no? what did Jesus (AS) told them? who was the one who was called Hazrat Elijah (AS) by Jesus (AS) ? any idea?

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Why I should be having doubts if you prove logically that your Ghulam Ahmad Mirza was the one prophesied by Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as Mahdi and Isa (PBUH).... Why I shouldn't accept??

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perhaps you didnt pay attention to my PS2.. there was one of the answer for u.

Also, to add to that.. do you know what name was given to holy prophet Muhammad PBUH in Christian bible?

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I don't know about Elijah.....who is that???? Mirza Ghulam Ahmad??????
Please tell us something new.... I smell something that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was prophesied in Bible?? Thats what you want to say??????

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This is not your fault... whatever you are saying is all due to the brainwashing your ullamas have been doing ...why do you always sense whatever i will say will be about Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS), the promised Messiah/Imam Mahdi ?.. At this point, I suggest you start reading the history of Abrahamic religions... Who was Elijah (AS), who did Jesus (AS) point to as being Elijah (AS)? ... on what basis did Jews reject Jesus (AS), what name is given to Muhammad (PBUH) in Christian Bible, whether or not Jesus(AS) of Nazareth is dead or alive.. ( note , the last question of mine is relevant to your point of Jesus (AS) praying janaaza of Mahdi (AS).. )etc.. when you get the answers of these.. we'll talk about Mahdi (AS) later on.

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I have little knowledge of Bible if at all. I want to listen all from your side. Please answer my questions and whatever you want to quote from bible or Quran..... If Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was prophesied in Bible then definitely our Prophet Muhammad might have said something about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as well, please quote that as well.

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I have no intention to extend this thread any further. If you have questions .. PM me those and ill reply them.

Coming to your reply, why would you want to hear everything from me? My whole point is when a prophet prophesize something, it is *always not *to be taken exactly how its been said. This was the mistake of jews for which they rejected prophet of Allah , hazrat Jesus/Isa (AS). They believed Elijah (AS) ( a prophet prior to Jesus AS) was suppose to come down from heavens before the appearance of the Massiah (Jesus AS).. when Jews asked where Elijah (AS) is, Jesus (AS) pointed at Hazrat Yahya (AS)/John the Baptist. Now, since Jews were taking everything written in their scriptures literally, they thought Elijah (AS) was suppose to come down from heaven.. this was one of the reason of jews rejecting Jesus (AS).

Even in Quran there are direct and indirect meanings to it.. if you ask me how or when Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS) defeated army of syria and iraq.. then I would say exactly how in Quran it says [17:82]And say, ‘Truth has come and falsehood has vanished away. Falsehood does indeed vanish away* fast*." if i ask you, how and where has the truth came? and how does that truth made the falsehood vanished? how would you reply? my point again is, there are two sides of a coin. You heard everything from ur ullamas without getting to know the other side of it, and then you come and start abusing other people's beliefs. There are direct and indirect meanings in Quran and ahadith. If you take every single thing from ahadith or Quran literally, your beliefs will come out as merely a fairytale and nothing else.

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Truly i cannot understand why you are bringing Jesus and John The Baptist here??? What it has to do with Mirza????

From my little knowledge of Bible, I know that the Jews put three questions to John The Baptist (Hazrat Yahya (AS):

   1) Are you Jesus(PBUH)??? .....He said NO.
   2) Are you John The baptist (Yahya) AS???....He said NO...... Contradicting    
       Jesus (PBUH).
   3) Are you that prophet??? Very interesting question.....A Clear prophecy 
       about Muhammad(PBUH)...... He said NO...

But what you want to prove from the above dialogue??

Again you misquoted the important and famous Ayat of Quran i,e 17:81..... AUR AILAN KARDE KEH HAQ ACHUKA AUR BATIL NABOOD HO GAYA, YAQINAN BATIL THA BHI NABOOD HONEY KELIYE........According to Sahih Bukhari... When at the time of Makkah conquer the Prophet used to recite this Ayat and used to destroy the idols one by one...

Do you mean that there are Ayats and Hadiths whose hidden meanings are about Mirza's coming????? Let us know that as well....I am still waiting for my Reply...Please.

If you cannot reply then admit clearly and fairly, that I have no answer and don't make a puzzle game.

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Thank you for bringing that up. Now, its clear that He said NO when jews asked him if he was Elijah (AS).. He said NO because He was NOT Elijah in person. He was given the title of Elijah (AS) by Jesus (AS). Are you saying Jesus(AS) lied? astaghfirullah. As Muslims we are ought to believe in Hazrat Yahya (AS) as Elijah, by his title...because the prophet of Allah ( Jesus AS) said he was Elijah (AS).

I am sorry but this lesson is important for you to understand the concept of Imam Mahdi (AS).

Putting things in bold will not help you much. You will get your answers like how im explaining them to you, only if you think about it. Me just merely giving you answers will create more questions in your mind.

Please quote me where i said that there are ayats whose hidden meanings are about Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (AS)? My replies are to your points where you said that Imam Mahdi's name HAS to be Muhammad, and cant be anything else BUT Muhammad.

Regarding ayaah 17:81, read not only this verse but the verses surrounding it as well. It is about Quran. My point of quoting that verse again is to point out that there are verses which are not to be taken in its exact meaning. Same is the case with some ahadith as well.

I by the grace of Allah the almighty have the knowledge to answer any of your questions. I am not among those who beat around the bushes but like to actually take the whole topic into a whole different angle by going back to history, with the intention of having a healthy discussion.

PS: if you just want one line answers to your points.. i am more than happy to do that, as it will save my time as well as yours. But, will leave many questions which can arise in ur mind unanswered, and i dont want you to take that opportunity to think that i dont know what I am talking about.

PS2: again, if you have questions.. feel free to drop me a PM and we can chat about any issue which you have questions on. This way, we wont have to wait for other person reply and can talk more in less time. Thank you.

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I am waiting for my answer.............How many times I have to repeat this???
You are beating around the bushes........and making it a puzzle game....

And further! why you want me to PM you??? This is an open debate... Like me many want to know this matter.