I doubt that the US really funds the TTP, considering how these terrorists come around to bite the hand that feeds them, but of course US objectives are primarily to protect its troops and TTP is focused more on Pakistan. There was more collusion between ISI and CIA when TTP had sent some bombers inside afghanistan against coalition troops.
I still see a lot of blame game going on, instead of saying Pakistanis are incompetent. I guess that will go against the narrative of the invincible ISI that has been built in Pakistan. What is stopping ISI + army from launching operations against these people in or around the border areas of Pakistan? Does Pakistani army has any pakistaniyat in it that it shuts down people who are actively killing people from their sanctuaries in the border? The main problem is the lack of will in Pakistan.
if we somehow, say good bye to USA, and don't mean that we should go for full scale confrontation, we can take the US spies managing the ttp and other terrorist operations out of Pakistan, leaving these scumbags clueless about their survival...
pakistan is better off without america we don't need them.
since the yanks arrived over 10 years ago what has pakistan gained nothing but more problems.
If pak cut the supply links to the american military they will be dead in afghanistan and this war will be over.
Actually not true. We have a robust economy even if it is in dire states. It wouldn't collapse. There is enough money in Pakistan to send us to a state where we had a lot of poverty but we would survive.
Actually not true. We have a robust economy even if it is in dire states. It wouldn't collapse. There is enough money in Pakistan to send us to a state where we had a lot of poverty but we would survive.
Please get rid of this delusion. If the US just stops importing Pakistani cotton, Pakistan will be in loads of trouble. And you know the EU will follow the US in any such move.
And Pakistan would've defaulted on foreign loans if not for the loans from the IMF. And whose money is in the IMF? The US, EU and Japan's!
And Pakistani bonds are rated as "Junk Bonds." It is impossible for Pakistan to borrow money directly from the international market and even if it somehow could, the interest rates would be PHENOMENAL.
And BTW, Pakistan is barely surviving right now. All it needs to go down the cliff is a **slight **push.
Wait a second you claiming america is saving pakistan?
If you are please bring your evidence, because that is ridiculous.
Pakistan is $60 billion in debt
pakistan spent $32 billion on the American war in afghanistan
how can anyone come to the conclusion america is good for pakistan.
I'm glad you mentioned debt. For your kind information sir, debt is because of budget deficits i.e when you spend more than you earn. Maybe Pakistan shouldn't maintain such a huge military. If Pakistan had an army according to it's size, that alone would wipe out the budget deficit.
It seems you have ignored my earlier post in which I explained how Pakistan's economy would collapse without America.
I didn't say America is good for Pakistan. Chemotherapy isn't good for you, but it's better than death.
Please get rid of this delusion. If the US just stops importing Pakistani cotton, Pakistan will be in loads of trouble. And you know the EU will follow the US in any such move.
Well gentleman, this argument can also fit on USA. IF China stops buying USA credit, it won't take long for this "super power" to collapse like house of cards.
There are IFs and BUTs everywhere. Countries follow self interest, and right now it is not really in Pakistan's self interest to fight american war.
Well gentleman, this argument can also fit on USA. IF China stops buying USA credit, it won't take long for this "super power" to collapse like house of cards.
There are IFs and BUTs everywhere. Countries follow self interest, and right now it is not really in Pakistan's self interest to fight american war.
And sir, if the US stops importing, the "Upcoming Superpower" will collapse like a "house of cards". Somehow, I don't think the US will be very much affected to the loss of cheap teddy bears made in Chine.
Please get rid of this delusion. If the US just stops importing Pakistani cotton, Pakistan will be in loads of trouble. And you know the EU will follow the US in any such move.
And Pakistan would've defaulted on foreign loans if not for the loans from the IMF. And whose money is in the IMF? The US, EU and Japan's!
And Pakistani bonds are rated as "Junk Bonds." It is impossible for Pakistan to borrow money directly from the international market and even if it somehow could, the interest rates would be PHENOMENAL.
And BTW, Pakistan is barely surviving right now. All it needs to go down the cliff is a **slight **push.
I think your out of your league here. Pakistan's cotton is on the world's market, which means that if the US doesn't buy from us any number of countries are willing to step up.
What makes you think that the EU will "follow" the US when it comes to economics? The two units have grown more and more decoupled. Do you even know that the USD is teetering on being dumped as the world's reserve currency?
So Pakistan defaults on IMF's loans? Besides the fact that those loans have been a virtual straight-jacket force by the blood suckers of the Washington Consensus, WHAT exactly would happen? Go on break it down for us, playa..Step by step.
Pakistan doesn't need to borrow, that ****e gets rammed down our throats for nonsense projects, corruption, and furthers misallocation of our resources. Yes the bond rating is speculative level but I would rather see the law and order situation resolved and these "internationally sponsored" acts of terrorism go down rather than us borrowing our way to stability.
I'm glad you mentioned debt. For your kind information sir, debt is because of budget deficits i.e when you spend more than you earn. Maybe Pakistan shouldn't maintain such a huge military. If Pakistan had an army according to it's size, that alone would wipe out the budget deficit.
It seems you have ignored my earlier post in which I explained how Pakistan's economy would collapse without America.
I didn't say America is good for Pakistan. Chemotherapy isn't good for you, but it's better than death.
not joining the american war would help reduce the debt.
becoming self sufficient increases productivity thus less reliant on imports which reduces debt
letting the imf and world bank control your economy is suicide and asking for trouble they just increase your reliance on more and more loans.
selling off utilities and mineral resources to foreign companies does not help reduce your debt either you are selling your future state income.
america does not benefit pakistan in any shape or form, it is clear when general musharaff made the statement pakistan 1st he lied it was america 1st.
I think your out of your league here. Pakistan's cotton is on the world's market, which means that if the US doesn't buy from us any number of countries are willing to step up.
What makes you think that the EU will "follow" the US when it comes to economics? The two units have grown more and more decoupled. Do you even know that the USD is teetering on being dumped as the world's reserve currency?
So Pakistan defaults on IMF's loans? Besides the fact that those loans have been a virtual straight-jacket force by the blood suckers of the Washington Consensus, WHAT exactly would happen? Go on break it down for us, playa..Step by step.
Pakistan doesn't need to borrow, that ****e gets rammed down our throats for nonsense projects, corruption, and furthers misallocation of our resources. Yes the bond rating is speculative level but I would rather see the law and order situation resolved and these "internationally sponsored" acts of terrorism go down rather than us borrowing our way to stability.
Do you live in a cave brother? The US is Pakistan's biggest trading partner with more than 16 billion dollars of trade between them. I don't see other countries stepping up to buy our products. That's because Pakistan's textile sector has been in trouble for years and is no longer price competitive. The US has a policy of buying things from allied countries to support them.
And instead of spewing forth senseless rhetoric, just google "Argentina default" and see for yourself what happened. Then you will know what happens, PLAYA!
so indirectly you aslo blaming or sharing responcibilies of mess to the Pak army!! Army still giving comments to deal the terrosim wiht USA isnt?
so its mean I left no any hope! still I am very very confident about our army, dont take it away plz.
So what, we're supposed to blindly love and praise our army? I agree, a soldier's job is very praise worthy but keep in mind the army, just like any other instituition has its issues, especially ours. Our top brass has had a shady past and we seem to think Pakistan is for the Army, and not vice versa. The army serves us, and protects us, NOT govern us. Look at how the perception is in countries abroad, the army is clutched in by the balls and is accountable to the civilians. And yes, there shouldnt be any problems blaming someone for doing a half assed job, be it the army or anyone else, and doesnt make you any less patriotic if you demand ppl do their jobs properly. You and the other people pay for the Army, so you can expect them to do their jobs properly. We, the people should hold these instituitions, be it the army, politicians, or anyone else by their collars and make sure they do their jobs right.
So what, we're supposed to blindly love and praise our army? I agree, a soldier's job is very praise worthy but keep in mind the army, just like any other instituition has its issues, especially ours. Our top brass has had a shady past and we seem to think Pakistan is for the Army, and not vice versa. The army serves us, and protects us, NOT govern us. Look at how the perception is in countries abroad, the army is clutched in by the balls and is accountable to the civilians. And yes, there shouldnt be any problems blaming someone for doing a half assed job, be it the army or anyone else, and doesnt make you any less patriotic if you demand ppl do their jobs properly. You and the other people pay for the Army, so you can expect them to do their jobs properly. We, the people should hold these instituitions, be it the army, politicians, or anyone else by their collars and make sure they do their jobs right.
Point!
And as an example, look no further than the US, the country being bashed in this thread. The US is considered to be one of the most patriotic countries in the world and yet, no army general ever dictated to the US Government!
I'm not one to reject facts when they are staring me in the face (which is more than can be said for some people), so I accept your point about cotton. Looks like O-Level studies are a bit outdated!
However, my point about the budget deficits stands. If you have evidence to the contrary, please enlighten us all :)