The status of our master, the beloved of Allah, Rasool Allah.

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*Originally posted by mo_best: *
I hope I have not offended anyone, I was raised to have a undying love for the messenger of Allah. I "got this" teaching from my mosque, which I attended from the ages of like 5-14, then I stopped. I learnt after that with Ulema on a 1-1 basis at home.

I dont shoe undue love for our master, infact I dont show enough respect. Any one who listens to Hamza Yusuf, or any traditionally trained scholar, will see where I get my teachings. I am from an aspiring Sufi family, we follow the traditional, deeper spiritual path under the guidance of the Sheikhs, the friends of Allah, this post was triggered by listening to Dawud Warnsbury and Yusuf Islam-I was forced, compelled, to praise the messenger.

You may think what you will, the messenger is my guide and I pray that they intercede for me on the last day, they alone can save the momin, Allah garuntees the granting of their blessed prayers, we are made only to follow there path.
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Interesting to see some people's reaction as soon as any form of love is shown for the beloved Prophet (pbuh). Where i found mo's words touching, some thought he was amongst the Mushriks!!! May be we are all brought up differently.

In my view Sufism has helped spread Islam more than work of any of the mullhas who sit at mosque and literally teach nothing but couple of things all day long: Jihad, and Shirk.

Alas! the true essense of Islam, LOVE and TOLERANCE has been lost somewhere.

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*Originally posted by Pathan Bhai: *

Amazing to see some of the people's reaction as soon as some love is shown for the beloved Prophet (pbuh). May be they are just brought up this way.
Sufism has helped spread Islam more than work of any mullhas who sit at mosque and literally teach nothing but couple fo things: Jihad, and Shirk.
Alas! the true essense of Islam, LOVE has been lost somewhere.
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Well said Pathan bhai! Couldn't agree with you more.

Sufism is the most wonderful aspect of Islam, something mullahs can never understand or appreciate.

No doubt loving the Prophet of Allah (Allah's peace and blessing be upon him) is compulsory on every believing man and woman but we should be careful it doesn’t lead to shirk (associating partners with Allah) or we will be making the same mistake the Christians have made. Our reverence is for the one and only God, Lord of the heavens and earth and everything inside and outside them, Allah.

If we love the Apostle of God (peace be upon him) so much we should follow him in every aspect of our lives, his life is a shining example for all of us. I have noticed that the ones who boast the most about loving the Prophet (peace be upon him) are the ones who don’t even like to dress like him, it’s all easy listening to Islamic songs and getting a high of them but if you really love Mohammad (peace be upon him) then dress the way he dressed, live the way he lived, deal with young and old, friends and foe the way he dealt with them and worship only God (the Mighty and the Majestic) and ask for help (from the unseen) only from God (the Most Merciful) like our Prophet (peace be upon him) did so that we may improve our conduct, become better human beings and achieve salvation in the hereafter.

TAZ .. thats a beautiful response !! :k:

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*Originally posted by Pathan Bhai: *

Interesting to see some people's reaction as soon as any form of love is shown for the beloved Prophet (pbuh). Where i found mo's words touching, some thought he was amongst the Mushriks!!! May be we are all brought up differently.

In my view Sufism has helped spread Islam more than work of any of the mullhas who sit at mosque and literally teach nothing but couple of things all day long: Jihad, and Shirk.

Alas! the true essense of Islam, LOVE and TOLERANCE has been lost somewhere.
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Pathan Bhai shirk is the most severe of sins and will not be forgiven besides it Allah will forgive anything so whats wrong if the Mullahs are warning us against it?

and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Jihad mean struggle (against oppression)? I don't see anything wrong with it weather it's inner Jihad against egotistic desires or the war type Jihad (fought against the evil and wicked people in self-defence, in defence of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes etc.)

Thanx :slight_smile:

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*Originally posted by TaZ123: *

Pathan Bhai shirk is the most severe of sins and will not be forgiven besides it Allah will forgive anything so whats wrong if the Mullahs are warning us against it?

and correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Jihad mean struggle (against oppression)? I don't see anything wrong with it weather it's inner Jihad against egotistic desires or the war type Jihad (fought against the evil and wicked people in self-defence, in defence of religion, or on the part of those who have been expelled forcibly from their homes etc.)
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Taz Bhai, i completely agree with your defination of Jihad, but is it the explaination being given out to the general Muslims by Mullahs today?

Mullahs- some are are pure illetrates and totally unaware of the true rooh of Jihad OR some deliberately play around with this concept for political reasons. For instance, Maulana Fazlur Rahman is considered respected aalim by a section of Muslims in Pakistan. In 1998, i remmember him giving an interview to Jang Akhbar, where he was openly backing the acts of Taleban, Lashkar e Jhangvi on the name of Jihad!!!! And even presenting some verses to back his claims!

As for shirk, i believe its an unforgiveable gunnah too. But i find it amusing when people start lebelling things like "Ya rasool Allah" or "Ya Ali" shirk!
I know people belonging to one school of thought will come up with verses from Quran now to prove me wrong, and people from other school will reply with their set of verses, but it wont get us anywhere. I believe any rational and unbiased mind can reach their own conclusions with the aid of book of Allah; permitting that the WHOLE Quran and not just a few selected verses are read. KH

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*Originally posted by Pathan Bhai: *

Alas! the true essense of Islam, LOVE and TOLERANCE has been lost somewhere.
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I completely agree with this. Although most of the Muslims will verify this but their actions speak for themselves. Tolerance amonsgt Muslims is almost zero within their own ranks, spcially in counties like Pakistan and Afghanistan, where Muslim is cutting fellow Muslim out of hatred. Such a sad state.

salaam
ramesha :(

I am unfortunately not practising too much Islam, but I know thats an error on my part, and I agree that tyhe greatest respect is following the way, but atleast my aqeeda is correct and my heart is in the right place.

As salaamu alaikum Brothers and sisters

If one truly claims to love of the Prophet of Allaah(saw) then they would obey him. The question then arises, exactly what was his message, the answer to which can only come from looking at authentic sources (quran and authentic hadeeth) objectively.

Here are some references:

“And the mosques are for Allaah (Alone), so invoke not anyone along with Allaah”
[al-Jinn 72:18]

‘Do not call onto any beings other than Allaah. These are capable of neither benefit nor harm. To do so is therefore to become guilty of wrong-doing. When Allaah invests you with an affliction, none can remove it except Him…’ [10:106-107]

‘And who is more astray than one who calls on besides Allaah, such as will not answer him till the Day of Resurrection, and who are (even) unaware of their calls to them?’ [46:5]

‘Is not He (better than your gods) who responds to the distressed one, when he calls on Him, and Who removes the evil…’ [27:62]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) himself warned against doing anything that may involve exceeding the limits concerning him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He said:

“Do not exaggerate about me as the Christians exaggerated about the son of Maryam, for I am just a slave, so say ‘The slave of Allaah and His Messenger.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, Ahaadeeth al-Anbiya’, 3189).

Narrated Ibn Abbaas, radhiallaahu anhu: One day I was riding behind the Prophet, sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam, when he said, “Young man, be mindful of Allaah and He will protect you. Be mindful of Allah and you will find Him before you, when you ask (for anything) ask it from Allah, and if you ask help, seek help in Allah.”’ [Reported by at-Tirmidhee, who verified it as a Hasan and Saheeh]

Al Tabarani reported with respective isnad (chain of narration)
“At the time of the Prophet there was a hypocrite who rendered so much harm to the believers that some of them summoned the others to seek help of the Prophet(saw) against him. When the Prophet (saw) heard of it, he said, ‘No man may seek my help. Only the help of Allaah is worthy of being sought”

He (saw) said during his final illness: “May the curse of Allaah be upon the Jews and Christians, for they took the graves of their Prophets as places of worship.” He was warning against doing what they did. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Salaah, 417)

When something happened that caused him concern or grief, the Prophet(saw) used to say:

‘O Everliving and Everlasting (Allaah), in Your Mercy I seek help.’
[Reported by Tirmidhi as Hasan]

Al Nasa’I reported with good isnaad that Anas(RAA) said “When some people addressed the Prophet(saw) with words, ‘O Prophet of Allaah’, ‘O the best of us’, ‘O Son of the best’, ‘Our Master’, or ‘Son of our Master’, he interrupted them and said, ‘O men, say what you came here to tell, and lend not your feelings to Satan. I am Muhammad, the slave of Allaah and His Prophet. I do not approve of your raising me above my station assigned to me by Allaah – May He (Allaah) be praised and glorified’.”

How then can anyone claim they love the Prophet(saw) if they over exaggerate their praise for him after reading what the Prophet(saw) himself said regarding exceeding the limits assigned to him by Allaah(swt).

Among the true signs of true love for him(saw) is to love the call to Tawheed by which he commenced his mission, and also to love those who call for Tawheed and detest shirk and all those who call people towards it.

Allaah warns against exaggeration, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O people of the Scripture (Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion”
[al-Nisaa’ 4:171]

“And We granted not to any human being immortality before you (O Muhammad); then if you die, would they live forever?”
[al-Anbiya’ 21:34]

“Whatsoever is on it (the earth) will perish.
And the Face of your Lord full of Majesty and Honour will remain forever”
[al-Rahmaan 55:26,27]

“Verily, you (O Muhammad) will die, and verily, they (too) will die”
[al-Zumar 39:30]

Pathan Bhai, the essence of Islaam is submitting to Allaah(swt) alone and worshipping Him alone. Opposite of worshipping Allaah(swt) alone is shirk. It is the very crime that the Prophet(saw) was ordered to address by Allaah(swt). The matter cannot be taken lightly. In fact the Oneness of Allaah (tahweed) comes first before anything else.

"And I (Allaah) created not the jinn and mankind except that they should worship Me (Alone)”
[al-Dhaariyaat 51:56]

This was the true message of the greatest of creation, Muhammad (saw) and the message of all the Prophets of Allaah.

If you want to know if you are on the correct aqeedah, then look at the sahabha and the following generations who were all upon the truth. They understood the message of the Prophet(saw) better than anyone so look at their saying/writings. You will see they were NOT upon what you are saying! Or are you now saying they are all wrong?

See http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=20760&dgn=3

As for comments regarding guidance look no further than the following

“He whom Allaah guides, he is the rightly-guided; but he whom He sends astray, for him you will find no Wali (guiding friend) to lead him (to the Right Path)”[al-Kahf 18:17]

In this aayah, Allaah explains that guidance and misguidance are in His hand alone; whomsoever He guides none can lead astray, and whomsoever He sends astray, none can guide. This meaning is also expressed in many other aayahs, such as the following (interpretation of the meaning):
“He whom Allaah guides, he is the rightly-guided; but he whom He sends astray, for him you will find no Wali (guiding friend) to lead him (to the Right Path).”[al-Israa’ 17:97]
“Whomsoever Allaah guides, he is the guided one, and whomsoever He sends astray, — then those! they are the losers”[al-A’raaf 7:178]
“Verily, you (O Muhammad) guide not whom you like, but Allaah guides whom He wills”[al-Qasas 28:56]
“And whomsoever Allaah wants to put in Al-Fitnah (error, because of his rejecting of Faith), you can do nothing for him against Allaah”
[al-Maa’idah 5:41]
“If you (O Muhammad) covet for their guidance, then verily, Allaah guides not those whom He makes to go astray (or none can guide him whom Allaah sends astray). And they will have no helpers”
[al-Nahl 16:37]
“And whomsoever Allaah wills to guide, He opens his breast to Islam; and whomsoever He wills to send astray, He makes his breast closed and constricted, as if he is climbing up to the sky”
[al-An’aam 6:125]
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t the Prophet(Saw) start his talks by saying
“Whomsoever Allaah guides, no can misguide and whoever Allaah(swt) leads astray, none can guide”

Considering all the evidence above how can you say that the messenger(saw) is your guide. Guidance is only with Allaah(swt). Do you really dislike the Prophet(saw) so much that you can against so much of what he said especially in the most important of matters, the Oneness of Allaah, the very essence of his message?

Regarding your hope for intercession, some points:

Allaah(swt) says

“Who is he than can intercede with Him except with His Permission”

Allaah(swt) has stated intercession is that which is according to His permission so put your trust in Allaah, not in anyone or anything else.

mo_best as for saying this is how i was taught when I was young, please contemplate the following verses:

“That which you worship besides Him are only names you and your forefathers have invented for which Allaah has sent down no authority; the command belongs to Allaah: He has commanded that you worship Him; that is the straight religion, but most men do no understand” [Soorah Yusuf 12:40]

"And similarly, We sent not a warner before you (O Muhammad) to any town (people) but the luxurious ones among them said: “We found our fathers following a certain way and religion, and we will indeed follow their footsteps.” (The warner) said: “Even if I bring you better guidance than that which you found your fathers following?” [al-Zukhruf 43:23-24]

Allah the Almighty said, “When it is said to them, follow what Allah has revealed, they say, No! We shall follow the way of our fathers. What! Even though their fathers were void of wisdom and guidance?” [5:104]

Also, “Even if their fathers knew nothing and were astray?” [2:170]

There are ‘hadeeth’ that say Allaah(swt) created the universe for the Prophet or from His Light. These ‘hadeeth’ are all fabricated. This is not from me, this is from the scholars who are expert in the very strict field of the science of hadeeth.

I ask anyone to provide me with authentic evidence that proofs what I have said is wrong. Quoting a sheikh is not enough ‘cos I want his evidence for his claims.

In short, ANYTHING that is worshipped besides Allaah(swt) is shirk, be it the sun, moon, stone, angel or man or anything else and yes brothers and sisters, that includes the Prophet(saw). This was his(saw) message and all you have to do is pick up the authentic references and see for yourself.

www.islaam.com has some good articles. See especially http://www.islaam.com/Section.aspx?id=4

See also

www.islaam.net
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=1741&dgn=3
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/tawheed/abutaw/abutaw_1.html
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/introduction/wasiti/taimiyah_1.html

was salaamu alaikum

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