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Which other video is that? As you can tell, I don’t know the full details. Can you post the link?
DILLIGAF?
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One more post. Few more insults.
Much respect to you Cough Cough. Well done.
Its good to know you can continue to respect me whilst I just lay into you. Makes it easier for me. Thank you.
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There are two links in OP. First link is this year. When a lady was shouted down. No details provided.
Second link last year. The male speaker , from what I could hear the females say, had controversial Stance on rape. U could see their anguish was real - unless they r great actors.
My stance was and is - we need to know context. Or qualify our positions with statements as I have done. Not just jump on bandwagon. Which I am sad to say is the norm. And sensible opposition just labelled rebellion. Or something worse.
What is with herd mentality?
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Cough cough- There is no need for name calling. Tone it down. I am cereal.
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I think I will stop counting. I made my point several insults ago. Have a nice evening.
Theorist there is a need. When a person refuses to even understand anothers point and continues to blatantly lie and flash his hypocrisy, civility will come to an end.
Southie deserves every last word I used to describe him
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Agreed. This thread is a good example of propaganda driven posts. None of us was given a fair chance to know the full context. Full video should have been posted. I would appreciate if someone could post a link to the full lecture video.
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^^ This is what passes as discourse. This is what the anti feminists bring to the table. I could not care less how a random Person Chooses To Describe me. However, this “debate” has been nothing but a series of insults thrown at these ladies WITHOUT anyone knowing the context. How easy it is to be part of a crowd. Part of the herd.
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What is disturbing is how quick folks were to jump on the bandwagon without knowing details.
Bringing up GS women
Showing door of car opened by a man
These things are simply red meat.
Anyway, good night.
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Really? You don’t see where you have been a hypocrite?
Southie has a point. None of us knows the reason behind this childish behavior yet we all decided to collectively hate them without knowing why? The full video should have been posted.
Theorist, maybe consider…nah too easy.
Southies points require certain assumptions to hold. These assumptions are not true here.
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For starters, no one is really stopping men from making their own pressure groups to talk about rights of men. In many ways, feminism was an answer to Trade Unions who at the time refused to fight for gender inequalities. If there’s a ever pressure group that talks about rights of men in the Western countries, as a female, I probably would support such group, and why not? So really, I don’t understand why feminists are scorned for not speaking about men’s issues, even those who collectively speak about the plight of certain communities and regions as a whole, don’t get enough attention in the media. The media is more concerned about covering Beyonce’s SlutWalk ‘feminism’, and women who constantly talk about their tireless battle to break glass ceiling in the co-operate world with misandrist undertones.
Like I said earlier, feminism has become a political label, some people despise the label for sake of it, or as a reaction against a small yet the most noticeable minority of misandrist and ultra rebellious women. Whilst, there are feminists who still genuinely work on the grass root level to fight the injustice and unfair treatment of women in their communities. They don’t fight men, they fight exploitation. For example, I recently worked with a very smart and compassionate woman with quiet manners who identified herself as feminist. She was a senior academic who had complied 400 pages long report investigating sexual exploitation (more like sex trafficking) and physical abuse black women and young girls suffer from in gangs, and living in gang marked territories in just certain boroughs of London alone. Now those women live in a world of terror, they’re helpless.
They are treated like commodities, slaves and sexual objects just because of they are women. I had goosebumps reading that report, and processing those gory factual details. This a real life situation that effects an entire group of women living in certain areas, would a gentleman like you refuse to support such cause just because you smell ‘feminism’ in there? I hope not. So really there are feminists, who aren’t there to pick fights with men over petty issues, there are feminists who are genuinely busy fighting for women trapped in unfortunate circumstances.
In regards to feminism also talking about issues of men, I see no problem with that. If earlier feminists can do this, I see no reason why fifth wave feminists cannot actively talk about universal issues. A movement naturally evolved is better than a movement hijacked.
P.S I have nothing to do with pseudo-feminism exercised in Saas Bahur forum, so please guys, do not see me as a spokesperson representing that group. I would be quite upset to receive such title.
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All men demand is fresh roti for dinner!
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The speaker in the first link is Dr. Janice Fiamengo from the University of Ottawa.
The second speaker, is Dr. Warren Farrell. He was a big part of the feminist movement in the 60’s and 70’s, and began writing about the excesses of the same movement in the 90’s.
Both of these speakers, as far as I know, do not deny that feminism was needed, or that there are still issues that affect women. They simply state that feminist groups, in addition to working on women’s issues, have begun attacking men as well, even though the latter are overrepresented amongst the worst of society.
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Do you honestly think they’re complaining about equal voting rights, or the right to work? Did you even click the link, or just read the title and start posting?
The speaker in the second link, Dr. Warren Farrell, is a renowned feminist. He did more for women than you ever did. When someone like him now speaks about what has gone wrong with feminism, I’d listen instead of projecting my own anger at men onto someone who has a legitimate point.
As for boo hoo’ing, one of the guys intimidated from attending a lecture went to hear about why more men commit suicide (Fact. Something you might not deal with often). He had two friends who killed themselves. You call that boo hoo’ing? I truly feel sorry for you PCG.
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Actually they are, hence my posts. The reality is that feminist groups are more established and have a louder voice in politics and social issues. It doesn’t help when most moderates don’t even realize that men have issues that need discussing.
I don’t deny that some amongst Men’s Rights groups are angry and irrational. But many are asking to be heard, and groups like the ones above, groups at *prominent universities, *refuse to let that happen.
As for the issues above, of course I would support that. I actually mention that women do still have issues that need addressing. I simply disagree that they can only be tackled by women, or that men do not care about such issues. What you described above is a human rights issue, hardly something that requires a unique feminine perspective.
Let’s agree to disagree on gender specific groups. An organization dominated by women will have some degree of bias, same goes for an organization dominated by men. I think political organizations should be gender neutral, so that both men and women feel welcome. Feminism has done this to itself, given an ear to the fringe and alienated men, and I see no reason to grieve for it. A Humanist movement should replace feminism.
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Ghost
About more than a year ago I recall having a discussion with u re Farrell. Haven’t checked him out on Google today. Here’s what I recall -
Farrell was a feminist in 60s and 70s. Recently he has turned into a critic of modern day feminism. I will have to dig deeper. But that is the just of what I recall.
As for ur last sentence to PCG, yes one member of the male audience did say what u stated.
the feminists went after Farrell not because they were crazy. According to them Farrell espouses views that r harmful to the feminist movement. We can debate the previous sentence. No issues. But to lay the blame for this ONE guy who may have come there to find out why his friend committed suicide is a stretch.
It is like protesting a rally - which does take place - and AFTER the protest someone from audience states he or she came there for some equally poignant reason.
I disagree with u on ur last sentence to PCG for above reason.
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Now allow me to make a general point. In this thread , an anti feminist poster tried to shout me down with insults in every post. Why? In his mind, that is what I deserved based on his expediences with me recently.
The SAME poster is unable to understand why women would shout down a person whom THEY consider to be a TROLL against feminism. This post is not meant to attack the poster. But to show if one can act so irrationally and not debate the points when one perceives another person to be unfair, clearly that SAME person should be the LAST to ridicule ladies who may feel the same scorn about certain speakers with an AGENDA (from the ladies perspective).