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Every kid gets the piss ripped out of them, no matter what, at least this way you got your head flushed down the loo cos of your name and not cos your ugly…
i wonder how Romeo Becks will cope, bless him
humhaipakistani hes always been Gazza as far as im concerned..i still have the single he released 
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yeh one of my chinese friends named his baby boy, Long Dong Ching Chong…i like the rhytem of the name..
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It has less to do with Arabic names, and more to do with feeling hostility towards giving Muslims kids Western names and adapting to the new Western culture. In every country where Muslims live, you will a good mix of Muslims with Arabic names and names belonging to that country/culture. Indonesian people have names that are not Arabic, Kazakh people have names that are Russian, and so on. Are all those Sindhi names in Pakistan Arabic? No.
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From what I've read, my understanding of naming an Islaamic child means that a parent is responsible for giving their child a name with a nice meaning. Thats all. It doesnt say that you have to name them an Arabic name or a name from a book of "muslim" names. If it has a nice meaning, then I think its ok in Islaam, at least from what I've read. Its really a cultural thing I think that Arabic names are insisted upon.
But if you are living in the west, then I would recommend a name that is somewhat westernized so as not to single your child out at school. Name your child "Yusef" and he will be somewhat unique but if he is called "Joseph" he will fit in. Children can be very mean, why ask for extra burdens on your kiddies.
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^well imagine when joseph will have kids; he will be OK naming them chris (from christ or from Eisa), or Frank, after all frank means just a frank person - hence an identity diminishes from generation to generation. But hey, these are your kids, and the way one decides to raise them in the West, is one's own personal choice and decision.
If it's all about trying to 'fit-in' then it's a naught effort. After all, you may change the name, but never be able to change the color of skin. Then what? They would still be made fun of one way or the other. Why not just teach them to be very proud of their inheritance*- religion and culture. I am sure they will carry themselves just fine
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My name is wierd enough in all cultures and I've come out if relatively unscathed. Gora ask me what it means and so do pakis and arabs. My parents are original all right.
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Chris, John, Frank are not related to names with a particular skin color you know?
Fitting in and assimilating are a natural thing. Lot of people came to India from the Middle East way back then. They didn’t fit in and started speaking the local languages and adopted the local customs? Is Iqbal an Arabic name? Is Brohi an Arabic name?
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They are related to a particular identity, and that's the bottom line. Too bad that people try hard just to "fit-in". Why fit in or even try? Why not just be who you are and be respected just for that- earn respect for your religion, culture, and one's own talent.
Learning a different language or cultural intricicies have absolutely nothing to do with one's own identity. It's out of lust for knowledge and refinement of oneself. If learning about other cultures and languages mean losing your own identity, then it's probably not worth it.
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"On the Day of Resurrection, you will be called by your names and by your fathers' names, so give yourselves good names." (Hadith Abu Dawud)
IMO its very clear from above hadith that the name doesn't have to be an arabic name, but it must have a good meaning. besides several of the companions of the Muhammad (peace be upon him) changed their own Arabic names, because the meanings of their names connoted wickedness. For example, someone named Harb ("war") had his name changed to Silm ("peace"), and one named Al-Munba'ith ("one who lies") became Al-Mudtaji' ("one who stands up," i.e. for the truth).
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THat’s how assimilation begins.
Why fit in or try? So I guess Arabs should have never learned the local customs and languages and adopted them after they had moved to India? I take it every one your family members are still speaking Arabic and don’t take part in any Pakistani customs.
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I dont think she would object having chris as her grandchild if she has joseph as her kid. It is all about education. I am sure that if educated properly they will carry themselves just fine whether they are Amir, Afzal, or Abraham, Mike etc. BTW Muslims are suppose to believe in other scriptures and, can name their kids from those books. Since NT (new testament) is a book and has gospels according to st paul, john luke and matthew etc these names are just fine as well.
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I dont think she would object having chris as her grandchild if she has joseph as her kid. It is all about education. I am sure that if educated properly they will carry themselves just fine whether they are Amir, Afzal, or Abraham, Mike et<
Well, the point is trying to “fit-in” on the basis of names, and I have already pointed out that names do not help much if that’s one’s intention - only your inheritance passed on to you. Try to be a bit original in your reasoning instead of twisting my words and re-posting them again
Muslims are suppose to believe in other scriptures<<
Where did you get that from ?But we are not discussing other scriptures or what the Muslims are told to do. We are not even debating this from a religious point of view.
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Assimilation begins with the ability to interact properly, and understanding of other cultures. One doesn’t need to lose identity in order to assimilate or “fit-in”.
My ancestors by the way are Afghans, and yes, we are fiercely proud of our inheritance even more than a century after migration to Pakistan. Beat that!!
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This is all on the Arabobo account… I don’t know whom people are trying to fool… I guess they are trying to fool themselves by having this false notion of belonging to some Ummah dumpster. Look, for example, AbdullahK’s argument about being proud of one’s heritage. Ask him, considering that an average Pakistani has about 98% Hindu ancestry, would it be acceptable for a Pakistani Muslim living outside of Pakistan to name her kid as Ram Parkash (or Sharamili Veerakoon)? AbdullahK will flash his 2% Afghani heritage in your friggin face, and completely ignore the remaining 98%. Oh my god.
Sadi when you have a girl, name her Electiricity, and for boys go for Pump.
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I witness the obvious ignorance to the sayings of prophet, in which case it is highly likely that people are aware of'em but give no importance whatsoever.
Losing one's identity and then being proud of it is what I call the biggest weapon of evil in this era.
Someone commented on the name Anas without realizing the fact that this name belongs to a sahabi.
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muslims do use non-arab names....
they have been using neha, sonia, tanya, etc etc for girls....
and vicky, lucky, etc etc for boys....
no big deal....
but some ppl do make a fuss of everything....
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The whole idea is that the name should have a good meaning. If it has a good meaning that you'r set.
If we can have names like Dhoop and Sawera in Pakistan, than Sobi you can name your kid Sunshine too.
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Sadi hey u back after a long time
anyways, if u call ur kid "sunshine" then be prepared for the kid being called "sun SHAN" (rhyming with man) when u visit ur pind in pakistan :D explain kartay kartay k its SHINE not SHAN tum thak jao gi but logon k accents aur pronounciations ko kaise change karo gi :D
abt ur topic....reminds me of how the chrisitans in pakistan have names like Allah Rakha and Allah Ditta ...
nothing wrong with it i reckon if u wana name ur kid something unique...
there's a belief tho that what u name ur child has an impact on the child's health and personality...and so many people like to give children specifically Muslim names from the Quran..
sometimes u can name ur kid something and if the kid is having health problems then buzurgs have this belief that u shud change the name and it might help the child overcome the health problem (my younger bro used to be ill as a child and many ppl asked my parents to change his name)
also if the child is growing up in pak then with an angraize name ppl will make fun of him/her when s/he is growing up, like oye angrez kee olaad and so on
as for the uproar: ppl, specially desi ppl, give them anything new and they will love to talk abt it
Mr F "amber" k naam k saath mere saath dhoka hua hae :D when i went into college as a freshman, my roommate's name was "amber". mein boht khush hoi thinking i got a desi roommate AMBER when i saw that name plate thingie on the door. the next day when my roommate arrived i realised it was not UMBER but AMBER :o lol..
khair she was a very nice girl
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Mr Abdulla I think you missed the point a bit. The thread is about significance of arabic names in Islaam. Well, there ISNT significance of Arabic names in Islaam - rather, Arabic names are of CULTURAL significance. Islaam dictates a name with a good meaning, nothing more. Naming a child a western type name if living in the west doesnt mean that the child will be ignorant of his or her cultural identity either. But living in the west, I'd not send a girl to school in hijaab. I'd not dress my boys in shalwaar kameez. These things I would do if living in Pak, however. It IS important to fit in at least to some degree within the culture that you decide to live in. Some examples of fitting in...well, how about a young african american going for a good job speaking ebonics during an interview? Wearing a burka down a city street in the west (you'd be calling so much more attention to yourself than if you had gone out dressed in modest western clothing) You confused Islaamic tradition with cultural tradition. Then denied the importance of fitting in within the culture you live in. It is quite possible to fit in and still be fully cognizant of your cultural heritage.
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Nilu
I think it has a hindi origin and heard it means “children of the wind”
Derived from Sanskrit anila “air, wind”. This was another name of Vayu, the Hindu god of the wind.
But dont worry too much about the above as I have heard that there may be arabic meaning to Anila too: “Pure & graceful”