The Scorpion

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Originally posted by CocoNut:
**Then could u two clarify for me and for the ones who thought this would erupt in a fight these two statements you made.

**Originally posted by AvgAmericanGirl and Hasnain:

AvgAmericanGirl: Incorrect in your religion. Correct in mine.

Hasnain: This is highly incorrect.**

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Coconut,
I probobly should have worded that differently.

Should have said In your oppinion you are correct.

In my oppinion I am correct.

Certainly didn't mean to insinuate that Haisnan's religion is incorrect if that is how you understood the sentence.

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Originally posted by khan_sahib:

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*According to my belief both the prophets (pbuh) preached the same message that there is only one God (Allah in Arabic). I think I had got a chart showing the links between different prophets and how they were related. Sadiaa had tried to post it in this section. I will try to find it and post it in the image gallery. *
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Thanks, I'll look for that.

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*Muslims believe that Jesus (peace be upon them) was a prophet but the followers made changes in his teachings. I have my reasons to believe this. Otherwise, there won't be any difference found between both prophets (pbut). I find that Unitarian christians and even catholics in some respect are more closer to Islamic teachings. The concept of son and father is a bit confusing as it creates a problem that why Marry (pbuh) didn't have much say. If we assume that Jesus (pbuh) was son not in physical sense and we are son and daughters of them then what justification is there for people who were living there way before and other prophets who brought God's message to other nations before Jesus (pbuh). I think Adam (pbuh) should be considered father using that logic. *
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Khan-Sahib,
The concept of son of the father is a bit confusing as is the holy trinity. This is the way I understand it.

When you speak of the Father, you are speaking of God or Allah. All one in the same. Just as if you are reciting the prayer " Our Father who art in Heaven" You are speaking of God. Not Jesus.

When I think of Jesus as son of God I also see Jesus as you do, as God's messenger. A son of God in the sense that he was specifically sent by God, not literally born of God. Sent by the spirit/will of God.

When I think of the holy spirit I think of this in the sense that the spirit of God is within ones heart (self.)

This is partially what I have been taught sinse a child and what I have accepted in my heart as a reasonable adult. Not necessarily dogma of the Church.

There has been many splits in the Church over this concept. And perhaps some did interpretate Jesus teachings to suit their understanding and concept of God.

I personally do not believe that there is a wrong way to believe and trust in God or to celebrate that belief. Either one does or doesn't.

We especially favor Jesus as he is the one who introduced us Gentiles to the concept of God and believe that through Jesus we also have a place with God in heaven.

Similarly as Muslims you favor Mohammad and by following Gods teachings sent to Mohammad this gives you a place with God in heaven.

Morally the messages by Jesus and Mohammad are quite similar. And in this sense they are brothers. Just my personal feeling.

I used to think that I should have born during the time of prophet Mohammed (pbuh) but then I also thought that what would have happened if I was not a follower of prophet (pbuh). I have realised now that whatever God has done has done it perfectly and I am happy that I am born in this age and I have some duties and I should fulfil them.

Khan-Sahib,
What do you think would have happenend if you were born during the time of the prophet?

I guess I'm not quite getting you are saying here, unless you are meaning that you are satisfied with your life and know what your duties are.

BTW I like the way you always say Peace Be Upon Him when you mention Mohammad or Jesus. It's a lovely way of speaking.

Girl

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Here is the chain of prophets from Adam (pbuh) to the last prophet Mohammed pbuh) Link

I will reply to your post later.

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Indeed, it is a bit confusing. We muslim believes that Allah (God) is alone in his qualities and in physical sense. It is considered a sin to associate anyone with the supreme almighty God. The word “God” itself is enough to tell that he doesn’t need anyone and he can do anything without anyone’s help. Hence, there is a difference between messengers and God himself.

I am surprised to hear your believes but could you compare it with some general christian belief as I think mostly they attach Jesus (pbuh) in literal meaning. It would be nice to get an opinion from your church where u normally go to.

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It is not a matter of favouring Mohammed (pbuh) over Jesus (pbuh) coz I honestly believe that Jesus (pbuh) was a true messenger of Allah and he spread exactly the same message that Mohammed (pbuh) spread. If the teachings of Jesus (pbuh) were available as he preached them then I don’t think I would have had any problem to follow him. Some changes were made by people after Jesus and due to extinction of the original language Bible is not available in its true form. On the other hand, western scholars agree that there hasn’t been a single change in the muslims’ holy book - Quran. This book was revealed to Mohammed (pbuh) and he implemented it on himself and showed that these laws can easily be implemented in our day to day life. In fact, these laws remained in use until early 1900s. Muslim Spain is another good example of Islamic laws being implemented in a state with Christian, Muslims and Jews living happily together. So, I am not favouring Mohammed (pbuh) but know it just another human who brought the message of God for all human kinds.

Another question why don’t u think Jesus (pbuh) and Mohammed (pbuh) are father and son if they spread the same message? Afterall, there is a gap and u can deduce this at least not in the literal meaning. No?

It is just that I believed I could be better off since I would get the first hand knowledge but the other thought made me re-think coz it could be possible that I was one of the enemy of prophet (pbuh) [God forbids which I would never want that]

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Most muslims use (pbuh) with all prophets. I have heard comments from at least one christian friend who said “you don’t like our prophet and you want to kill us all. Don’t you?” It amuses me as it is part of our faith to believe in all other prophets before Mohammed (pbuh). Also, Quran says that if I kill some innocent (not only muslim) then I killed the whole humanity and if I saved a life of a human (not only muslim) then I saved the whole humanity. Unfortunately, all we hear in the media about Islam is Osama, Taleban and Burqah (Veil).

A loving heart is the truest wisdom.- Charles Dickens

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I think there is a definite problem lying with some hardline Churches and Mullahs.

The hardline Christians would have their masses believe that Islam is an 'evil' religion and Muhammad was a false prophet (naoozobillah) and the Qur'an is just a rehash of earlier books of those times and Muslim's God is NOT the same God as the Christian's God.

The hardline Mullahs will have their followers believe that All Christians and Jews are after their religion and want to wipe out Islam; so are not to befriended and since they are all infidels it'll be a sawaab to kill them whenever and wherever they see them.

A little tolerance and understanding both ways would work wonders.

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Judaism and Islam are much closer than any of the two with Christianity.

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Originally posted by The Old Man:
Judaism and Islam are much closer than any of the two with Christianity.
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I have thought about that but think they are closer in terms of the general behaviour of muslim and jew people. It's like we all have to eat certain kind of meat but only Jews and Muslims strictly follow that.

My understanding would be that in belief wise Christians and Jews are more closer as both think of someone as the son of God. No?

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[quote]
Originally posted by The Old Man:
Judaism and Islam are much closer than any of the two with Christianity.
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I agree with khan_sahib that the similarity is in the behaviour. The Christians have become more permissive than the jews and muslims.

But, the Message of all three is the same. Oneness (tawheed) of the Creator.

Rabbeshrah lee sadree; wa yassirlee amree; yafqahoo qaulee.

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Originally posted by khan_sahib:
** I have thought about that but think they are closer in terms of the general behaviour of muslim and jew people. It's like we all have to eat certain kind of meat but only Jews and Muslims strictly follow that.

My understanding would be that in belief wise Christians and Jews are more closer as both think of someone as the son of God. No?

**
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Khan_sahib: Judaism and Islam are closer to each other as both are centered very much on rules and regulations, ie. do this, don't do that if you want to attain what God want you to be. Both therefor has additional writings to their Holy Scriptures (Torah and Qur'an), to clarify and expand the laws and regulations written in these books (Talmud and Sunnah).

Anyway, this is digressing from the original thread. Maybe you have to start a new thread?

[This message has been edited by The Old Man (edited November 29, 2001).]