Re: The role of ‘provocation’ in domestic physical abuse…
arrange for someone who can throw files at you when needed 
Or wait, iphone is going to do that for us too, in few years 
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Nomi what qualifies as provocation for you??? i mean i'm sure murderers would say the same, like they were provoked by the victim... bullcrap! i see no excuse for violence/verbal abuse in a relationship
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Nomi what qualifies as provocation for you??? i mean i'm sure murderers would say the same, like they were provoked by the victim... bullcrap! i see no excuse for violence/verbal abuse in a relationship
i am talking about physical abuse only.......read the title again.........
what i see most people saying here is......... physical abuse......OMG......thats it....
what people don't try to think over is...........the abuse isn't like...these isolated events of physical abuse......... its only a part of the picture......... there is a buildup for things to reach that ugly stage........... nobody talks about those.........
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^ very confusing - not sure what you are saying here
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a slap or two are totally justified in some cases.
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a slap or two are totally justified in some cases.
And what are these cases?
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To answer my wife's (hareem01) question ...
Ok I think we need to understand that there are two types of people:
abusers and abused
the majority of abusers are those people who should be carers and people in charge
the majority of abused are those people who should be cared for and are dependants
The abusers betray their authority by inflicting physical harm.
Now the OP question was that do the abused (i.e. those who are subordinate, cared for, or dependants) provoke?
However, my wife has turned the question the other way round ... she is asking if the boss provokes ... the answer is that it is unlikely the boss provokes - physical abuse ... rather the boss is the one who will resort to physical abuse and provocation from a boss is considered abuse anyway ... because the other party is bound by rank not to respond in kind.
The OP wanted to see if the "less dominant" of the two persons provokes, but the question raised by my wife is asking what we would do if the "more dominant" provokes ... these are two different situations entirely.
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"the majority of abusers are those people who should be carers and people in charge
the majority of abused are those people who should be cared for and are dependants"
I fail to see the connection between abusers and people who are care givers and are people in charge.
Also, there is absolutely no connection between a person who is abused and the one who should be cared for and are dependants.
Plenty of instances where the abused are independent, and do not need caring for, but are abused anyway. The above post murks up caregivers role with an abuser and a to be cared for role with abused (IMO).
Re: The role of 'provocation' in domestic physical abuse.......
To answer my wife's (hareem01) question ...
Ok I think we need to understand that there are two types of people:
abusers and abused
the majority of abusers are those people who should be carers and people in charge the majority of abused are those people who should be cared for and are dependants
The abusers betray their authority by inflicting physical harm.
Now the OP question was that do the abused (i.e. those who are subordinate, cared for, or dependants) provoke?
However, my wife has turned the question the other way round ... she is asking if the boss provokes ... the answer is that it is unlikely the boss provokes - physical abuse ... rather the boss is the one who will resort to physical abuse and provocation from a boss is considered abuse anyway ... because the other party is bound by rank not to respond in kind.
The OP wanted to see if the "less dominant" of the two persons provokes, but the question raised by my wife is asking what we would do if the "more dominant" provokes ... these are two different situations entirely.
although in most cases the abuser may be in a more dominant position...not necessarily so.
if we take the boss example: lets say you are provoking the boss by arriving late every day...in that instance he can only do what's allowed, give you a warning and then fire you...he still cant raise his hand or verbally abuse you...cuz then he's answerable to the law.
so in domestic abuse then...lets the one being abused isnt listening to you (lets say its your kid>> not doing certain chores, not following rules of the house)...you can talk to them, warn them but you may not resort to physical abuse no matter what...it wont ever be justified. and if the child says mom/dad hits me and they see signs of physical or verbal abuse you will be held accountable..the fact that you were provoked is not an excuse.
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just not right...there is no room for abuse of any kind (physical or mental) in a relationship.